ROTS Tyranus vs. ROTS Anakin and ROTJ Luke

Originally posted by Xavius
Yeah, because it's that easy. You don't just hold your Lightsaber up to block Lightning. Dooku could just apply two hands and knock his Lightsaber right out of his hands.

And? Lightning has been shown to be blockable through a lightsaber. Anakin has a lightsaber, if AOTC Kenobi can grip one damn hand while Dooku fires one hand of Force lightning, I'm sure ROTS Anakin can do the same, and if Dooku uses another hand? Does it really take a genius to figure out that it's getting more powerful, therefore you should grip two hands on the lightsaber? No, it really doesn't.

And the rest you just took to a different level.

Originally posted by Xavius
Now you're just making pathetically ridiculous statements.

Dooku wasn't tired at all. I'm sure he was tired when he fended both of them off, kicked one into a wall and smashed the other one under a balcony.

He was outmaneuvered by Anakin who cut off BOTH of his hands by physically pushing his forearms over Dooku's and turning his wrists to amputate both hands. Dooku didn't expect such an unorthodox maneuver and died because of it. It's that simple.

Thank you

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
And? Lightning has been shown to be blockable through a lightsaber. Anakin has a lightsaber, if AOTC Kenobi can grip one damn hand while Dooku fires one hand of Force lightning, I'm sure ROTS Anakin can do the same, and if Dooku uses another hand? Does it really take a genius to figure out that it's getting more powerful, therefore you should grip two hands on the lightsaber? No, it really doesn't.

And the rest you just took to a different level.

No, you're not sure. Anakin and Kenobi practice different Lightsaber styles. Kenobi has a defensive style, so it's easier for him to block things such as Lightning. It might not be as easy for Anakin, whom got thrown against a wall in AOTC by the same type of Lightning blast.

If Dooku were to use two handed Lightning on Anakin if he blocked it with his Lightsaber, I'm sure he could knock it out of his hands. Dooku's one handed displayed powerful results when Anakin flew across the Hangar. Two handed? You can say goodbye to Anakin's defense there IF he can even manage to block it.

Originally posted by Xavius
No, you're not sure. Anakin and Kenobi practice different Lightsaber styles.

You're going to tell me I'm not sure? Excuse me, but no - I'm positive.

As well, what does standing 20 feet away have to do with saber styles and blocking lightning? Mace Windu practices Vaapad! z0mg He can block lightning!

Kenobi has a defensive style, so it's easier for him to block things such as Lightning.

Really? I wasn't aware holding your saber up with one hand is hard. WTF kind of retarded crap is this? Your lightsaber's power isn't changed by your saber style.

It might not be as easy for Anakin, whom got thrown against a wall in AOTC by the same type of Lightning blast.

Keywords: In and AOTC.

If Dooku were to use two handed Lightning on Anakin if he blocked it with his Lightsaber, I'm sure he could knock it out of his hands.

Here I'll be Xavius: No, you're not sure.

Seriously though, proof? Waiting for something to back up your claims, but I really don't see anything that strongly suggests in your favor.

Dooku's one handed displayed powerful results when Anakin flew across the Hangar.

Yeah, when Anakin was:

1.) Rushing him.
2.) Less powerful.
3.) Less experienced.

What was Kenobi doing btw? Oh yeah, standing in a damn spot. Whoa! That's f*cking hard, isn't it. Mace was even blocking a two handed Force lightning given off by Sidious. Who's Sidious again? Oh yeah, he's Dooku's superior. And Mace doesn't use a defensive form anyways.

The point being: Lightning has been shown to be blockable by means of a lightsaber. Anakin uses a lightsaber. Add to the fact Anakin is among the top combatants of the PT, and there you go.

Two handed? You can say goodbye to Anakin's defense there IF he can even manage to block it.

Yeah, and you can also wake up from your dream world where lightning > everything.

He's not saying that. He and I are just saying Dooku will defeat Ani in combat now stop arguing you have lost

Originally posted by Xavius
[BTwo handed? You can say goodbye to Anakin's defense there IF he can even manage to block it. [/B]

Luke, who had less training during ROTJ than Anakin does ROTS, was able to deflect lightning in ROTJ and last quite a while and Sidious was using two hands.

Originally posted by Hokage Yoda
He's not saying that He and I are just saying Dooku will defeat Ani

Can you even read? I know Japanese isn't your strong point, maybe English isn't either?

Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
Luke, who had less training during ROTJ than Anakin does ROTS, was able to deflect lightning in ROTJ and last quite a while and Sidious was using two hands.

Yeah, and Luke ended up on the ground slithering and defenseless because of two handed Lightning.

Dooku>>Ani>Luke
Sooo Dooku>Luke and Ani

Originally posted by Xavius
Yeah, and Luke ended up on the ground slithering and defenseless because of two handed Lightning.

Even in his surprise, the young Jedi tries to use the
Force to deflect them. At first he is half successful, but after a
moment the bolts of energy are coming with such speed and power the
young Jedi shrinks before them, his knees buckling. - ROTJ Script.

Seems someone lowly in comparison to Anakin can even partially block off lightning; albeit it eventually overcome him anyways. Now - how much saber training has Luke had compared to Anakin? Form mastery? Not even close. Force power to Anakin's? Ha. No.

Anakin beat Dooku fair and square. Dooku didn't use the Force because he couldn't, if he stopped dueling for even half a second Anakin would have had him. There was never a chance to use the Force. The power of Djem So overwhelmed him.

And Luke didn't deflect any lightning even though the script says he did, in this case the movie is different. Watch it again, absolutely no lightning is deflected.

Originally posted by darthsith19
And Luke didn't deflect any lightning even though the script says he did, in this case the movie is different. Watch it again, absolutely no lightning is deflected.

Too bad for me then. The rest still stands.

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
You're going to tell me I'm not sure? Excuse me, but no - I'm positive.

Tha'ts exactly what I said. I don't remember stuttering.

As well, what does standing 20 feet away have to do with saber styles and blocking lightning? Mace Windu practices Vaapad! z0mg He can block lightning!

What the F*CK are you talking about?

Really? I wasn't aware holding your saber up with one hand is hard. WTF kind of retarded crap is this? Your lightsaber's power isn't changed by your saber style.

It takes skill to block several strands of sporadic Lightning heeding towards you. Especially if two handed Lightning is administered.

Keywords: In and AOTC.

Here I'll be Xavius: No, you're not sure.

Seriously though, proof? Waiting for something to back up your claims, but I really don't see anything that strongly suggests in your favor.

Hypocrisy is such a bold and obvious thing sometimes.

Yes, because, we have NEVER seen Lightsabers knocked out of peoples hands due to overpowering Lightning. Nor have we seen failed attempts at blocking Lightning.

^ Sarcasm.

Yeah, when Anakin was:

1.) Rushing him.
2.) Less powerful.
3.) Less experienced.

What was Kenobi doing btw? Oh yeah, standing in a damn spot. Whoa! That's f*cking hard, isn't it. Mace was even blocking a two handed Force lightning given off by Sidious. Who's Sidious again? Oh yeah, he's Dooku's superior. And Mace doesn't use a defensive form anyways.

Mace is alot more experienced than Kenobi or Anakin and he was struggling with all of his power to keep his Lightsaber from flying away.

The point being: Lightning has been shown to be blockable by means of a lightsaber. Anakin uses a lightsaber. Add to the fact Anakin is among the top combatants of the PT, and there you go.

What the hell? That's your proof?

"Anakin has a Lightsaber. Therefore, he can automatically block Lightning."

Retarded. And like I said, even if he did, Dooku just adds another hand and doubles the power and there goes Anakins lightsaber.

Yeah, and you can also wake up from your dream world where lightning > everything.

LOL! Hypocrite. Wake up from YOUR dream world where Lightsabers don't always automatically block Lightning.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Anakin beat Dooku fair and square. Dooku didn't use the Force because he couldn't, if he stopped dueling for even half a second Anakin would have had him. There was never a chance to use the Force. The power of Djem So overwhelmed him.

And Luke didn't deflect any lightning even though the script says he did, in this case the movie is different. Watch it again, absolutely no lightning is deflected.

Uh, Dooku had bootf*cked Anakin into the nearest wall. He could have just choked Kenobi, turned around and zapped Anakin while he was sitting there for around ten seconds waiting for Kenobi to get crushed under a balcony.

Im hearing alot of bullsh*t here. No Dooku didnt throw his fight in ROTS but he didnt fight to the best of his ability either. He wasnt concerned about defeat because he was under the assumption that Sids would step in. This meant he could spend more time taunting and less time fighting.
And he was under the orders NOT TO KILL Anakin in the first place. He was to be used as a general or something. So once again he wasnt fighting to the best of his abilities.
Dooku is a better fighter than Anakin. Its that simple. Anakin certainly has more potential but in ROTS he hasnt been able to utilise it like Dooku has. Dookus arrogance cost him the fight - not his duelling ability.

Then there is Luke. POtential yes but once again he hasnt learned how to utilise it. He would get wtf pwned in less time than Kenobi (because Kenobi uses a defencive style). So then it will be a duel with Dooku and Anakin. Dooku being the more skilled duellist who wont have the same arrogance he had in ROTS will win.

Originally posted by Xavius
that'ts exactly what I said. I don't remember stuttering.

Oh, you're quite the back talker. I like that.

What the F*CK are you talking about?

I'm talking about the fact you said "Kenobi and Anakin practice different saber styles". Yeah, so does Mace Windu - yet he blocked Sidious lightning. Saber styles have nothing to do with blocking Force lightning. The point you made was irrelevant.

It takes skill to block several strands of sporadic Lightning heeding towards you. Especially if two handed Lightning is administered.

So skilled, in fact, that Obi-Wan can stand there with one damn hand and block it! Yes, it's hard. But, if Kenobi can easily do it - ROTS Anakin, who is greater than AOTC Kenobi, could do the same. Why? Let's recap:

1.) ROTS Anakin is physically stronger than AOTC Kenobi. Also note what a nice grip his mechanical hand would give anyways.
2.) ROTS Anakin is more powerful in the Force than AOTC Kenobi.
3.) AOTC Kenobi easily blocked Dooku's lightning with one hand.

Instead of Connect Four, it's Connect Three.

Hypocrisy is such a bold and obvious thing sometimes.

You're a poet now?

Hm, I have the fact lightsabers have been shown to be blocked (especially Dooku's on two occasions); you have your baseless bullsh*t that you pull from your ass.

Yes, because, we have NEVER seen Lightsabers knocked out of peoples hands due to overpowering Lightning. Nor have we seen failed attempts at blocking Lightning.

Point being: AOTC Kenobi did it easily.

Mace is alot more experienced than Kenobi or Anakin and he was struggling with all of his power to keep his Lightsaber from flying away.

And Sidious is far more experienced than Dooku. The point was that Force lightning is able to be blocked by means of a lightsaber, AOTC Kenobi did it with Dooku easily, so god damn easy with one hand vs. one hand. Two hand vs. two hand would be that much different? Especially considering how much more powerful Anakin is than AOTC Kenobi.

What the hell? That's your proof?

No, that's my point.

I can't wait for yours! Oh yes, I forgot the piss poor rebuttals you've made count for what again? Ah yeah, jack.

"Anakin has a Lightsaber. Therefore, he can automatically block Lightning."

No. Take all of what I've been posting and simply put it together. You don't seem like you're a moron (note I say "seem" because as the conversation continues my opinion is started to differ).

You gave a few excuses: "Different saber styles lolz!". Wow, that matters how much exactly? When Kenobi was twenty feet away? When all he did was lift a hand?

Retarded. And like I said, even if he did, Dooku just adds another hand and doubles the power and there goes Anakins lightsaber.

Who's stronger and more powerful - AOTC Kenobi or ROTS Kenobi? ROTS Kenobi.

Who's more powerful than AOTC Kenobi? ROTS Anakin. Who's - at the least - on par with ROTS Kenobi? ROTS Anakin.

Is it really that hard for you to connect the dots? That AOTC Kenobi easily deflected Dooku's lightning one handed.

The entire thing is: you act as if adding another hand in a lightning attack will increase its power tenfold.

LOL! Hypocrite.

Right, because calling me a hypocrite is the same as me actually being a hypocrite? It's not.

Good tactic though I'll give you that.

Wake up from YOUR dream world where Lightsabers don't always automatically block Lightning.

I know that. Which is why I said "add to the fact Anakin is far greater than AOTC Kenobi". The evidence is clear, you just refuse to accept it.

And btw, if you're going to address my points, make sure you address all of them. Maybe tomorrow when I'm not as tired we'll see how this goes on.

Finally, give me a scan, a quote, anything that looks in your favor for ROTS Anakin not being able to block a lightning attack from Dooku. Here's what you gave me so far:

1.) Different saber styles.

Wow, okay? Like your saber style matters in standing in one spot, holding it with one hand. Mace was able to do such to Sidious having a different style.

2.) Dooku will add another hand, and Anakin's saber will magically blast from his hand.

Does Force lightning increase tenfold? Kenobi did it with one hand against one hand. All Anakin has to do is add another hand, he's physically stronger than Kenobi, and from his hand you can tell he'd have a better grasp.

3.) gsdgv-[p[f9svdh

Basically just idiotic bullsh*t, not responding to the original statements.

Sorry, Ox, Dooku was fighting to his best, supported and confirmed.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Sorry, Ox, Dooku was fighting to his best, supported and confirmed.

Yes but only at the end after he had spent all his time taunting Anakin and getting him angered. And an angered Anakin is much harder to beat than a calm Anakin. So Dooku gave up his chance to beat Anakin quickly (which he could of with relative ease) and taunted him until Anakin overwhelmed him. So basically Dooku could have won but dug his own grave so to speak by taunting Anakin.

Dooku fought seriously against Ani before that. He realized if he didn't, he'd die

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Dooku fought seriously against Ani before that. He realized if he didn't, he'd die

No. Dooku had no need to fight seriously before the end of the fight because he was under the impression Sids would step in and help if anything went wrong. Dooku is a better duellist but Anakins raw power when he is angry in nearly unstoppable. This is why Dooku taunted Anakin instead of killing him quickly. He didnt realise Anakins true physical strength until it was to late. However at the beginning of the battle it would have been relatively simple for the Count to win.