ROTS Tyranus vs. ROTS Anakin and ROTJ Luke

Oh, you're quite the back talker. I like that.

I'm not here to impress you so save it.

I'm talking about the fact you said "Kenobi and Anakin practice different saber styles". Yeah, so does Mace Windu - yet he blocked Sidious lightning. Saber styles have nothing to do with blocking Force lightning. The point you made was irrelevant.

Are you . . . Oh my f*cking god. I'm going to seizure. Dude, a more defensive Lightsaber style is obviously going to have better odds blocking something such as Lightning. Soresu is the practice of defensive maneuvers and BLOCKING and deflecting such things as Blaster bolts and debris. Mace's style happens to be a very widespread form. It's quite effective to be honest and it's very domesticated.

Vapaad requires mastery of several other Forms. Mace possessed a vista of knowledge about Lightsaber combat and that's why he was able to block the Lightning.

Saying that Lightsaber Forms have nothing to do with blocking lightning is RIDICULOUS! It's absolutely absurd and I've never heard anything so stupid in my entire life.

So skilled, in fact, that Obi-Wan can stand there with one damn hand and block it! Yes, it's hard. But, if Kenobi can easily do it - ROTS Anakin, who is greater than AOTC Kenobi, could do the same. Why? Let's recap:

Kenobi and Anakin are two different people with different training. Saying that because one person can do it, indicates that another person may do it while ignoring the essence of skill is Logical Fallacy at it's finest.

1.) ROTS Anakin is physically stronger than AOTC Kenobi. Also note what a nice grip his mechanical hand would give anyways.
2.) ROTS Anakin is more powerful in the Force than AOTC Kenobi.
3.) AOTC Kenobi easily blocked Dooku's lightning with one hand.

Instead of Connect Four, it's Connect Three.

1) Good for him. This doesn't mean he requires the skill to block the torrent of Lightning. He may not possess the correct maneuver to fend it off. And just because he has a mechanical hand does not mean he can resist two handed Lightning from an experience Sith Lord. He couldn't do it in AOTC. He may not be able to do it anymore.

2) I'm sure this has alot to do with raising your Lightsaber up against Lightning. By the way, the final battle indicated they were on par at that point due to the parallel power of their Force pushes.

3) Is Obi Wan Kenobi the same person as Anakin? Does he practice the same Form? Is he the same size? Does he have the same speed? How many times do I have to repeat myself?

You're a poet now?

You're damn right I'm a f*cking poet.

Hm, I have the fact lightsabers have been shown to be blocked (especially Dooku's on two occasions); you have your baseless bullsh*t that you pull from your ass.

^ Irrelevant shit. Moving on . . .

Point being: AOTC Kenobi did it easily.

Oh I see. Kenobi did it so that means EVERYONE can do it now. I don't think so. Even those who can do it may not be able to handle powerful strains of Lightning. Yoda proved this on RotS, when he went to block Sidious' Lightning and his Saber went flying.

And Sidious is far more experienced than Dooku. The point was that Force lightning is able to be blocked by means of a lightsaber, AOTC Kenobi did it with Dooku easily, so god damn easy with one hand vs. one hand. Two hand vs. two hand would be that much different? Especially considering how much more powerful Anakin is than AOTC Kenobi.

You're perpetually repeating yourself over and over AND OVER again! You have nothing else, really.

If Dooku put both hands in Lightning action and applied maximum power, I can guarantee a Lightsaber would go flying. Dooku had spat out a little strain of one handed Lightning that pierced Anakin and it sent him across the damn hangar! What do you think is going to happen if Dooku applies effort against a weightless Lightsaber? IT'S GOING TO GO FLYING!

No, that's my point.

I can't wait for yours! Oh yes, I forgot the piss poor rebuttals you've made count for what again? Ah yeah, jack.

Bah, petty sarcasm. I have no use for it, you hypocrite. Your retorts aren't any better.

No. Take all of what I've been posting and simply put it together. You don't seem like you're a moron (note I say "seem" because as the conversation continues my opinion is started to differ).

You gave a few excuses: "Different saber styles lolz!". Wow, that matters how much exactly? When Kenobi was twenty feet away? When all he did was lift a hand?

It seems as if your beloved Anakin ATTEMPTED to block the Count's Lightning but it was too powerful.

The AotC Scripture:

ANAKIN raises his
lightsaber. At the last moment, COUNT DOOKU thrusts out an
arm and unleashes a blast of Force lightning. ANAKIN is
hurled across the room, and slammed into the opposite wall.

Who's stronger and more powerful - AOTC Kenobi or ROTS Kenobi? ROTS Kenobi.

Why is Strength essence to you? It isn't all about strength. It's about form, finesse, agility, technique . . . Certain Lightsaber forms work better on certain things. AotC proved that.

Who's more powerful than AOTC Kenobi? ROTS Anakin. Who's - at the least - on par with ROTS Kenobi? ROTS Anakin.

Is it really that hard for you to connect the dots? That AOTC Kenobi easily deflected Dooku's lightning one handed.

The entire thing is: you act as if adding another hand in a lightning attack will increase its power tenfold.

AotC Kenobi had increased skill in Soresu; a Defensive form! He defended the Lightning with ease because that is the job of the form he uses. When Anakin tried to defend, he failed. His form is not proficient with such advanced defensive maneuvers.

And yes, the Lightning streams from each finger. If you add another hand, you have more finger which is a larger quantity of Lightning. And you can strain yourself to apply more power into the Lightning as you shoot it out.

Right, because calling me a hypocrite is the same as me actually being a hypocrite? It's not.

Good tactic though I'll give you that.

All I read was "Blah, blah, blah . . . I like to spit useless irrelevant crap."

I know that. Which is why I said "add to the fact Anakin is far greater than AOTC Kenobi". The evidence is clear, you just refuse to accept it.

Your evidence is bullshit and it is an example of Logical Fallacy.

And btw, if you're going to address my points, make sure you address all of them. Maybe tomorrow when I'm not as tired we'll see how this goes on.

Considering you repeat yourself continuously, I feel there is no need for ME to do the same.

Finally, give me a scan, a quote, anything that looks in your favor for ROTS Anakin not being able to block a lightning attack from Dooku. Here's what you gave me so far:

1.) Different saber styles.

Wow, okay? Like your saber style matters in standing in one spot, holding it with one hand. Mace was able to do such to Sidious having a different style.

2.) Dooku will add another hand, and Anakin's saber will magically blast from his hand.

Does Force lightning increase tenfold? Kenobi did it with one hand against one hand. All Anakin has to do is add another hand, he's physically stronger than Kenobi, and from his hand you can tell he'd have a better grasp.

1) I've replied to this already. You're truly repeating yourself. How can you NOT notice it?

Look:

I'm talking about the fact you said "Kenobi and Anakin practice different saber styles". Yeah, so does Mace Windu - yet he blocked Sidious lightning. Saber styles have nothing to do with blocking Force lightning.

^ Compare that to 1. It's the same shit. You running dry, or what?

2) ROFL!!!! I've already replied to this as well!

LOOK:

he point was that Force lightning is able to be blocked by means of a lightsaber, AOTC Kenobi did it with Dooku easily, so god damn easy with one hand vs. one hand. Two hand vs. two hand would be that much different? Especially considering how much more powerful Anakin is than AOTC Kenobi.

ROTS Anakin is physically stronger than AOTC Kenobi. Also note what a nice grip his mechanical hand would give anyways.

Hahaha!

Basically just idiotic bullsh*t, not responding to the original statements.

Don't talk to yourself. It's not healthy. Trust me, I'm a doctor.

so why is this even a question. in frickin ROTS we SEE anakin defeat dooku on the invisible hand. not only did dooku get defeated but he got his fuking head chopped off. clearly anakin can kick his ass. luke would just be on the sidelines cheerleading. and no obi wan had nothing to do with the outcome of the fight at all.

Even as Mech Vader, Anakin was able to block lightning, if this was something he learned later on or already knew I have no clue off....

the trick to blocking lightning: hold up your saber. i dont thinkl it gets any more technical than that.

Saying that Lightsaber Forms have nothing to do with blocking lightning is RIDICULOUS! It's absolutely absurd and I've never heard anything so stupid in my entire life.

Wowza! I had absolutely no idea saber FORMS had ANYTHING to do with blocking force lightning. Sure, a saber form may provide more defense or offence depending on the form, but it doesn't mean it makes it more/less capable of blocking lightning. A saber is a saber.

The effects of force lightning depends on the user; the more adept one is in the force, the more powerful they are in the skill. If one is unable to block lightning it is probably because the lightning is too powerful to block in the first place. It has nothing to do with the "fighting style" they are defending with. At least... I don't think so.

Dooku wins. He could have taken Anakin easily, after he force pushed Kenobi.l Anakin was completely vunerable, and Kenobi was out of commision. Dooku could have fried him with lightening.

Dooku wins: case closed

I'm not here to impress you so save it.

Oh man, fear Xavius. He's not here to impress, he's here to embarrass himself.

Dude,

First off, not a "dude". So, don't address me as such.

a more defensive Lightsaber style is obviously going to have better odds blocking something such as Lightning.

"Dude", did you not see AOTC? How Kenobi just raised his saber up with one hand? Seriously, tell me how STANDING in ONE SPOT and raising your saber with ONE HAND is a reflection of your saber style.

Soresu is the practice of defensive maneuvers and BLOCKING and deflecting such things as Blaster bolts and debris.

As much is obvious, but tell me where it's even implied his form had anything to do with it when we've seen lightning being blocked by Yoda and Mace?

Vapaad requires mastery of several other Forms. Mace possessed a vista of knowledge about Lightsaber combat and that's why he was able to block the Lightning.

Sadly Vaapad does not require Soresu mastery. It is not a defensive form. Not to mention Vaapad even draws from Form V.

Saying that Lightsaber Forms have nothing to do with blocking lightning is RIDICULOUS! It's absolutely absurd and I've never heard anything so stupid in my entire life.

Do you read what you type? Yeah, I'd submit that's quite a bit stupider. As well, you've yet to prove anything. All you're saying is "z0mg ridiculus!" and "hehehe hypocriet!!!!". You throw sh*t around (literally), act like you have Premenstrual Syndrome, and don't accomplish anything.

Kenobi and Anakin are two different people with different training. Saying that because one person can do it, indicates that another person may do it while ignoring the essence of skill is Logical Fallacy at it's finest.

Ignoring the essence of skill? Lol. Anakin is more skilled than Kenobi, Anakin is stronger than Kenobi. Anakin is more agile than Kenobi. Kenobi effortlessly blocked Dooku's lightning with one hand. Tell me, please, what in God's name kind of skill did Kenobi show when he did that? You're spewing around that his saber style is defensive, therefore that's the reason he can block lightning, but no - ignore the fact Mace can, and come up with "z0mg he's experienced so he c4n" typical bullsh*t. Really now.

1) Good for him. This doesn't mean he requires the skill to block the torrent of Lightning.

Show me where the prerequisites for blocking lightning are, and you'll have an argument.

He may not possess the correct maneuver to fend it off.

Lol, maneuver now? All he did was RAISE his lightsaber, is that really a maneuver? Watch the AOTC scene and you'll see just how facilely Obi-Wan defends.

And just because he has a mechanical hand does not mean he can resist two handed Lightning from an experience Sith Lord. He couldn't do it in AOTC. He may not be able to do it anymore.

I never said he can resist it because of that. I said he'll have a better grip than Kenobi. As well, AOTC Anakin was:

1.) Rushing in (and sorry, watch the AOTC movie - not the script - Anakin never puts his lightsaber up in defense, if anything it's only describing the fact he rushed in).
2.) Far less experienced.
3.) Far less powerful.

So, you comparing AOTC Anakin to ROTS Anakin is pretty asinine seeing as how they are completely different.

2) I'm sure this has alot to do with raising your Lightsaber up against Lightning.

I'm sure raising your lightsaber requires great skill.

Is Obi Wan Kenobi the same person as Anakin?

No, is Mace the same person as Obi-Wan? No.

Does he practice the same Form?

Can Anakin raise his lightsaber? Yes.

Is he the same size?

He's built stronger than Obi-Wan is. So, I'm not sure where your "size matters" goes here when the advantage goes to Anakin.

Does he have the same speed?

Do you know? No. For all I know they could be the same speed. If anything Anakin > Kenobi in this aspect too. Add to the statement: these are all irrelevant.

How many times do I have to repeat myself?

Well, as long as you continue to post bullsh*t - I'm going to have to continuously reply. Your entire point is they're not the same person - well no sh*t. However, Anakin possessing more skill, more agility, more raw power, more strength is the reason why I'm even arguing.

Answer me this: Do you own AOTC? If you answered "YES" to this question, put it on and watch Obi-Wan raise his lightsaber (and that's ALL he does) and the lightning goes straight to Kenobi's saber. He doesn't even move! Seriously explain to me:

a.) How that's a maneuver.
b.) How that would require a huge amount of skill.

And, you're going to say "saber styles!!". Do saber styles change the power of your lightsaber? No. Anakin can block blaster bolts, except he turns them into offensive moves. Form V was developed by Form III masters. So he can't hold up his saber when there is an amount of lightning heading towards him?

You're perpetually repeating yourself over and over AND OVER again! You have nothing else, really

You're right atm I don't have access to comics or anything of the like, nor would I want to get them anyways. Right now I have simple facts, and common sense. You have...neither. All you have is lame tactics like responding entirely as saying "H1PP0CRIT!!///1", and "REP33TER", and "z0mg SAB3r 5TY135!!/! 1 h4v3 PM5!!".

Have you shown me anything solid?

If Dooku put both hands in Lightning action and applied maximum power, I can guarantee a Lightsaber would go flying. Dooku had spat out a little strain of one handed Lightning that pierced Anakin and it sent him across the damn hangar! What do you think is going to happen if Dooku applies effort against a weightless Lightsaber? IT'S GOING TO GO FLYING!

Good, sound logic. The thing is - the lightsaber is an inanimate object. Can I redirect you to Mace and Sidious' fight? What happened btw? Mace was able to block Sidious' constant two handed lightning. He was struggling to hold it down no doubt, but Sidious is more powerful than Dooku anyways. To think that it's just going to fly because he adds another hand is ludacris. Why? Because if that were true, Dooku would use it at every turn if he were smart. Is Dooku smart? Yes. Does he use it every chance? No.

Bah, petty sarcasm. I have no use for it, you hypocrite. Your retorts aren't any better.

See what I mean?

It seems as if your beloved Anakin ATTEMPTED to block the Count's Lightning but it was too powerful.

The AotC Scripture:

ANAKIN raises his
lightsaber. At the last moment, COUNT DOOKU thrusts out an
arm and unleashes a blast of Force lightning. ANAKIN is
hurled across the room, and slammed into the opposite wall.

Yes, because Anakin raised his lightsaber before Dooku expressed feeling to surge out lightning? Yeah, that doesn't makes sense. Also, watch the movie - where's Anakin's saber raised again? Nowhere? Yeah, that's where.

Why is Strength essence to you? It isn't all about strength. It's about form, finesse, agility, technique . . . Certain Lightsaber forms work better on certain things. AotC proved that.

Where did AOTC prove this on the account of lightning? That Yoda blocked it without a lightsaber? Yoda absorbed, and reflected the Count's lightning. Saber form matters there?

AotC Kenobi had increased skill in Soresu; a Defensive form! He defended the Lightning with ease because that is the job of the form he uses. When Anakin tried to defend, he failed. His form is not proficient with such advanced defensive maneuvers.

Anakin didn't try to defend. Watch the movie. The script line itself doesn't make sense anyways. And stop calling it "advanced defensive maneuvers" - Yoda blocked it without a saber, Mace blocked it with Vaapad (which has NO connection to any defensive styles, and it actually draws from Anakin's form), and Obi-Wan blocked it by just raising his lightsaber, he didn't do anything fancy

The reason it was blocked was why? The lightning gets "absorbed" into the lightsaber. Does saber form affect power of the lightsaber? I think not.

In all honesty, you cannot sit there and say it was difficult nor advanced. All he did was lift his arm up. As well, are you telling me Anakin can't block or something?

And yes, the Lightning streams from each finger. If you add another hand, you have more finger which is a larger quantity of Lightning. And you can strain yourself to apply more power into the Lightning as you shoot it out.

It'll double in power. You manage to accomplish nothing. Mace defended against lightning from a more powerful foe two handed.

All I read was "Blah, blah, blah . . . I like to spit useless irrelevant crap."

That's not what you read. Unless well, you can't read. That must be the problem.

Your evidence is bullshit and it is an example of Logical Fallacy.

Right. Except for the fact my evidence is more than just "Kenobi can do it so Anakin can too". What's your evidence again?

Considering you repeat yourself continuously, I feel there is no need for ME to do the same.

Firstly,what I did it's called a "recap" as in "recapitulation" - you do know what that means right?

Applies for all the "z0mg UR REPEATING URSELF!" crap you spewed.

Don't talk to yourself. It's not healthy. Trust me, I'm a doctor.

If you're a doctor, I fear for the world. Maybe you need to see a doctor, and get a lobotomy.

Uh, Dooku had bootf*cked Anakin into the nearest wall. He could have just choked Kenobi, turned around and zapped Anakin while he was sitting there for around ten seconds waiting for Kenobi to get crushed under a balcony.

He wasnt concerned about defeat because he was under the assumption that Sids would step in. This meant he could spend more time taunting and less time fighting.

Originally posted by Xavius
Yeah, and Luke ended up on the ground slithering and defenseless because of two handed Lightning.

Because he never experienced lightning before. DO you really thin k Anakin, who had already experienced it, wouldn't try to learn how to block it?

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Dooku fought seriously against Ani before that. He realized if he didn't, he'd die

"No. Dooku had no need to fight seriously before the end of the fight because he was under the impression Sids would step in and help if anything went wrong. Dooku is a better duellist but Anakins raw power when he is angry in nearly unstoppable. This is why Dooku taunted Anakin instead of killing him quickly. He didnt realise Anakins true physical strength until it was to late. However at the beginning of the battle it would have been relatively simple for the Count to win."

Why would Sidious help Dooku? He wanted Anakin to become a Sith, and get rid of Dooku.

Oh man, fear Xavius. He's not here to impress, he's here to embarrass himself.

I don't expect you to fear me. I expect you to cut the cheap talk.

First off, not a "dude". So, don't address me as such.

Lol, Or what?

"Dude", did you not see AOTC? How Kenobi just raised his saber up with one hand? Seriously, tell me how STANDING in ONE SPOT and raising your saber with ONE HAND is a reflection of your saber style.

Are you dumb? What, did you expect him to stand in TWO spots or something? Jesus christ.

Dooku uses one hand with his Lightsaber and some attacks from Anakins form and other forms, sometimes you use one hand. What, so because he uses one hand, he lacks accumulative skill? This is f*cking bullshit. I'm getting tired of you.

As much is obvious, but tell me where it's even implied his form had anything to do with it when we've seen lightning being blocked by Yoda and Mace?

Yoda blocked Lightning with his HANDS. Remember what happened when Yoda tried to block it with his Lightsaber? Oh yeah! It flew out of his HANDS! Mace was struggling to hold his Lightsaber. down against the fury of Sidious' Lightning.

Sadly Vaapad does not require Soresu mastery. It is not a defensive form. Not to mention Vaapad even draws from Form V.

Now even more sadly, you're wrong. Vaapad requires a take from other forms. A defensive form, an offensive and a surrounding form. Hmm . . . I wonder what could possibly be that defensive form . . . Oh! Uh . . . SORESU? Yeah.

Do you read what you type? Yeah, I'd submit that's quite a bit stupider. As well, you've yet to prove anything. All you're saying is "z0mg ridiculus!" and "hehehe hypocriet!!!!". You throw sh*t around (literally), act like you have Premenstrual Syndrome, and don't accomplish anything.

More pseudo linguistics from you. It's saddening.

You have . . . NO proof. Just an opinion as I do. So yes, you are indeed a hypocrite! What else do you expect me to say?

Ignoring the essence of skill? Lol. Anakin is more skilled than Kenobi, Anakin is stronger than Kenobi. Anakin is more agile than Kenobi. Kenobi effortlessly blocked Dooku's lightning with one hand. Tell me, please, what in God's name kind of skill did Kenobi show when he did that? You're spewing around that his saber style is defensive, therefore that's the reason he can block lightning, but no - ignore the fact Mace can, and come up with "z0mg he's experienced so he c4n" typical bullsh*t. Really now.

Why don't you STOP ignoring the fact that the two people - Anakin and Yoda, who had offensive Lightsaber styles, COULD NOT BLOCK LIGHTNING? EXPLAIN IT! And I don't care who's more powerful. Who the f*ck ended up missing limbs at the end of the fight? It wasn't Kenobi, It was Anakin, remember?

"zOmg!11 lolz!11 K3nob1 c4n d0 1t!11 s0 4n4k1n c4n automatically d0 1t 2!!!!!"

^ Shitty Logic and Logic you're using.

Show me where the prerequisites for blocking lightning are, and you'll have an argument.

I have an argument. I don't get where you get this crap from. I have better proof than you. My explanations are logically correct.

And yours? They just completely lack rationality and logic altogether so you're the last person who should be asking any one for proof.

Lol, maneuver now? All he did was RAISE his lightsaber, is that really a maneuver? Watch the AOTC scene and you'll see just how facilely Obi-Wan defends.

Stop repeating yourself, you damn moron! Is that all you have? F*ck. I keep hearing the same shit over and over again.

THEN WHY THE HELL COULDN'T ANAKIN BLOCK IT? WHY DID ANAKIN GO ACROSS A ROOM WHEN HE TRIED TO?!?!!?!?!

Jesus!!!!!!!!

I never said he can resist it because of that. I said he'll have a better grip than Kenobi. As well, AOTC Anakin was:

1.) Rushing in (and sorry, watch the AOTC movie - not the script - Anakin never puts his lightsaber up in defense, if anything it's only describing the fact he rushed in).
2.) Far less experienced.
3.) Far less powerful.

What the shit? Of course he puts up his Lightsaber! At the point Dooku raises his hand, Anakin flings his Lightsaber upwards but it does nothing.

So, you comparing AOTC Anakin to ROTS Anakin is pretty asinine seeing as how they are completely different.

Oh . . . You SEE that they're different people now? Thank f*cking god.

I'm sure raising your lightsaber requires great skill.

And why the hell wouldn't it?

No, is Mace the same person as Obi-Wan? No.

Never said they were, did I? You're the one who keeps on saying "Anakin is more powerful and faster, so he can automatically block Lightning because Kenobi, who is incoherently his insuperior, can do it."

^ Crap!

Can Anakin raise his lightsaber? Yes.

Of course he can! But this does not mean he's automatically going to block the Lightning.

He's built stronger than Obi-Wan is. So, I'm not sure where your "size matters" goes here when the advantage goes to Anakin.

I'm sure that matters. Let's ignore the skill factor, because Anakin is bigger. Such arrogance.

I'm sure Anakin was nice and strong, faster and more powerful than Kenobi when his limbless body rolled down a hill of rock and catched a bit of Lava. Kenobi won because of skill.

Do you know? No. For all I know they could be the same speed. If anything Anakin > Kenobi in this aspect too. Add to the statement: these are all irrelevant.

By the end of RotS, I saw Kenobi > Anakin.

Well, as long as you continue to post bullsh*t - I'm going to have to continuously reply. Your entire point is they're not the same person - well no sh*t. However, Anakin possessing more skill, more agility, more raw power, more strength is the reason why I'm even arguing.

That has nothing to do with skill, for christs sakes! The movie proved this! That's like saying a 200 LBS Muscle man with a Lightsaber would automatically defeat a 120 LBS guy with a Lightsaber just because the bigger guy is stronger. Your claims are complete shit and yes, I'll say it again . . . YOU'RE A DAMN HYPOCRITE!

Answer me this: Do you own AOTC? If you answered "YES" to this question, put it on and watch Obi-Wan raise his lightsaber (and that's ALL he does) and the lightning goes straight to Kenobi's saber. He doesn't even move! Seriously explain to me:

I own the tape and the DVD. Kenobi raises his Saber in just enough time to catch the Lightning.

a.) How that's a maneuver.
b.) How that would require a huge amount of skill.

Timing and Area. Lightning is fast and it has several streams of bolts. When that's coming towards you extremely fast, putting your Lightsaber up a certain way matters. If Kenobi had put it anywhere different, It could have hit him. He knew where Dooku was aiming and required the skill to block it.

And, you're going to say "saber styles!!". Do saber styles change the power of your lightsaber? No. Anakin can block blaster bolts, except he turns them into offensive moves. Form V was developed by Form III masters. So he can't hold up his saber when there is an amount of lightning heading towards him?

Form V was developed out of Form III as an offensive Lightsaber Form. You tell me why Anakin wasn't able to block it if he had such skill and it was so easy. Oh, okay. Anakin can block Blaster bolts. Let me guess . . . By your Logic, this means he can block Lightning, right?

And likewise, even if he does block it, which I doubt: Dooku just adds another hand and strains himself, applying more power, more torrents of Lightning and Anakin's Lightsaber goes buh bye!

You're right atm I don't have access to comics or anything of the like, nor would I want to get them anyways. Right now I have simple facts, and common sense. You have...neither. All you have is lame tactics like responding entirely as saying "H1PP0CRIT!!///1", and "REP33TER", and "z0mg SAB3r 5TY135!!/! 1 h4v3 PM5!!".

Have you shown me anything solid?

All you do is perpetually insult me because you know you're getting nowhere. Degrading me won't help your argument. You haven't shown me anything solid expect for your illogical opinion, so feck off.

Good, sound logic. The thing is - the lightsaber is an inanimate object. Can I redirect you to Mace and Sidious' fight? What happened btw? Mace was able to block Sidious' constant two handed lightning. He was struggling to hold it down no doubt, but Sidious is more powerful than Dooku anyways. To think that it's just going to fly because he adds another hand is ludacris. Why? Because if that were true, Dooku would use it at every turn if he were smart. Is Dooku smart? Yes. Does he use it every chance? No.

Dooku is arrogant. Why do you think he died? Do you seriously think he needed two handed Lightning with a Jedi Knight and a Padawan whom both he tooled easily? No! It would have been an overkill.

It isn't ludacris! It happened to Yoda! Mace was struggling because Sidious was applying enormous power to his Lightning.

Two hands equals more Lightning. Get that THROUGH YOUR HEAD.

See what I mean?

What do you except? You've practiced hypocrisy throughout your entire last post. It's sickening.

Yes, because Anakin raised his lightsaber before Dooku expressed feeling to surge out lightning? Yeah, that doesn't makes sense. Also, watch the movie - where's Anakin's saber raised again? Nowhere? Yeah, that's where.

He gets blasted at the last second he throws his Lightsaber up. It's in the movie. What is wrong with you?

Where did AOTC prove this on the account of lightning? That Yoda blocked it without a lightsaber? Yoda absorbed, and reflected the Count's lightning. Saber form matters there?

Oh okay. What happened to Yoda when he tried to block it with his Lightsaber in RotS? Oh . . . IT GOT BLASTED FROM HIS HANDS, BUD!

And absorbing and deflecting with you hands is a whole other story from blocking it with a Saber.

Anakin didn't try to defend. Watch the movie. The script line itself doesn't make sense anyways. And stop calling it "advanced defensive maneuvers" - Yoda blocked it without a saber, Mace blocked it with Vaapad (which has NO connection to any defensive styles, and it actually draws from Anakin's form), and Obi-Wan blocked it by just raising his lightsaber, he didn't do anything fancy

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Yoda couldn't block it with a Saber. When he tried, he failed. Vaapad draws directly from JUYO, moron. Juyo happens to contain alot of defensive maneuvers. Hmm . . . I guess Mace has no defense at all. I wonder why he uses that defensive in RotS and when he's deflecting blaster bolts from a professional bounty hunter in AotC . . . Hmm . . . Kenobi didn't need to do anything fancy! He was proficient in his form!

The reason it was blocked was why? The lightning gets "absorbed" into the lightsaber. Does saber form affect power of the lightsaber? I think not.

The Lightsaber does not absorb Lightning. You get dumber by the second. When Mace blocked it, it went back into Sidious' face. When Kenobi blocked it, it didn't just dissapear into his Lightsaber. It wraps around it and dissipates. The Lightsaber doesn't eat the Lightning. Jesus.

In all honesty, you cannot sit there and say it was difficult nor advanced. All he did was lift his arm up. As well, are you telling me Anakin can't block or something?

Could he? No. I didn't see him block. Maybe he couldn't.

Okay, All Mace did was throw his arm down and forward when he fought Sidious. All Dooku did was use ONE HAND to fight everyone and all he did was move his arm forward and around sideways.

^ That's what you sound like.

It'll double in power. You manage to accomplish nothing. Mace defended against lightning from a more powerful foe two handed.

Mace is also alot more powerful and experienced than Anakin and even he was having major troubles blocking it.

That's not what you read. Unless well, you can't read. That must be the problem.

Nope, I'm pretty sure you're the problem.

Right. Except for the fact my evidence is more than just "Kenobi can do it so Anakin can too". What's your evidence again?

No sorry, I think that is your only evidence.

My evidence is that Lightsaber styles do matter when blocking things such as Lightning.

Firstly,what I did it's called a "recap" as in "recapitulation" - you do know what that means right?

Applies for all the "z0mg UR REPEATING URSELF!" crap you spewed.

To me, that's just a fancy word and an excuse to cover up for your pathetic repeatitive behaviour.

If you're a doctor, I fear for the world. Maybe you need to see a doctor, and get a lobotomy.

As I can see, you've already had a lobotomy . . .

I'm almost sure Tyranus could take this. Luke would be in the fight for a while but Tyranus wouldn't be held back like he was in ROTS, Anakin last longer than his son but eventually get an elegant Makashi stab through his belly. . .

I'll get to the rest of your sad rebuttal later. For now:

I don't expect you to fear me. I expect you to cut the cheap talk.

Define "cheap talk", because I see you responding and using your own.

All you do is perpetually insult me because you know you're getting nowhere. Degrading me won't help your argument. You haven't shown me anything solid expect for your illogical opinion, so feck off.

Funny - this is one thing I have time to address out of your absurd arguments:

As I can see, you've already had a lobotomy . . .

Insulting.

Vaapad draws directly from JUYO, moron.

Btw, read the article on Lightsaber forms? Yes, Vaapad is an extension of Juyo. However, it combines from Form V. Did I ever say it was Form V's extension? No, it draws from Form V however. Difference, learn it.

Oh, and insult.

you damn moron!

Insult.

More pseudo linguistics from you. It's saddening.

Point out these "pseudo linguistics" if you will. I'll see if you can name them in that quote you said it for. If you're referring to PMS (the only word that a 8 year old wouldn't understand) then it's just sad, because every woman should know of that. You're sad attempts at discrediting fail because you just make the claim, and don't point jack sh*t out.

I have an argument. I don't get where you get this crap from. I have better proof than you. My explanations are logically correct.

And yours? They just completely lack rationality and logic altogether so you're the last person who should be asking any one for proof.

Not so much an insult, but insulting. You claim to have more proof (when you don't) than me. Then you say "all we have is opinion. 'Cept mine is higher 'cuz I'm the smug bastard known as 'Xavius'!". "You have . . . NO proof. Just an opinion as I do." - Xavius.

You don't have "better" or "more" proof than me, Xavius. Or else all you'd have to do is post one paragraph of solid facts. You can't/don't/haven't.

You constantly throw terms around like you're flinging monkey sh*t, make stuff up that isn't true, reword my arguments in your statements so they seem weaker, and overall you're just a joke.

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
I'll get to the rest of your sad rebuttal later. For now:

Define "cheap talk", because I see you responding and using your own.

Funny - this is one thing I have time to address out of your absurd arguments:

Insulting.

Btw, read the article on Lightsaber forms? Yes, Vaapad is an extension of Juyo. However, it combines from Form V. Did I ever say it was Form V's extension? No, it draws from Form V however. Difference, learn it.

Oh, and insult.

Insult.

Point out these "pseudo linguistics" if you will. I'll see if you can name them in that quote you said it for. If you're referring to PMS (the only word that a 8 year old wouldn't understand) then it's just sad, because every woman should know of that. You're sad attempts at discrediting fail because you just make the claim, and don't point jack sh*t out.

Not so much an insult, but insulting. You claim to have more proof (when you don't) than me. Then you say "all we have is opinion. 'Cept mine is higher 'cuz I'm the smug bastard known as 'Xavius'!". "You have . . . NO proof. Just an opinion as I do." - Xavius.

You don't have "better" or "more" proof than me, Xavius. Or else all you'd have to do is post one paragraph of solid facts. You can't/don't/haven't.

You constantly throw terms around like you're flinging monkey sh*t, make stuff up that isn't true, reword my arguments in your statements so they seem weaker, and overall you're just a joke.

I'LL GET TO THE REST OF YOUR SAD REBUTTAL LATER

What? It's my thread I should have a say. If you have anything to say, say it n00b.

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
I'LL GET TO THE REST OF YOUR SAD REBUTTAL LATER

What? It's my thread I should have a say. If you have anything to say, say it n00b.

Who the f*ck are you talking to? And what are you talking about.

Originally posted by e.l,m,t,i,(r k)
way to go hot mama motoko sama

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Who the f*ck are you talking to? And what are you talking about.

You obviously had a broblem with my argument. No? If not were cool. . .

Dooku aka Tyrannus wins. Both of them have shown no eptitude at blocking Force Lightnening, and they both HAVE shown INEPTITUDE.

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
You obviously had a broblem with my argument. No? If not were cool. . .

What you quoted was referring to the rest of Xavius' argument, hence why I said "for now". I don't have a problem with your argument, I'm only focused on Force lightning.