iron fist vs wolverine(no claws)

Originally posted by capt it up
That is very true, but they were new character and undeveloped character unlike IF.

They were all new and underdeveloped. That was until writers decided to give Wolvie a bit of skill along with the ferocity. Thats even more reason why we shuold get a fight more recent between the two. Iron Fist has beat Colossus in Contest of Champions, so it seems like much hasnt changed between those two at least.😆

Originally posted by capt it up
Yes, but it kind of hard to get the better of some one when you don’t posses the ability to put them down or show such ability.

They had the sheer advantage in numbers and natural strength as many on this forum hold so highly. What IF had that trumped them was technique and focus.

Originally posted by capt it up
This was as batddue described it pre. Martial artist wolverine. This was before wolverine was written as a bad ass fighter and that is because his character was not fully developed till a little while after this battle.

What was Wolvies first bio? Was he mentioned to be a skilled fighter then? True his character wasnt completely developed, but Nor was it when he fought Hulk for the first time and he did quite well then. Because Wolvie may have lacked the skill then it doesnt mean he was useless in a fight. And its not like when he fights people such as DD and BP NOW, he uses that skill.

Originally posted by capt it up
Beating beast in a single panel can IF say such a thing as beat a person on beast levels of abilities in one panel?
Killing Ogun.
Battling Stick so well that Stick was unable to land a hit once wolverine figured out who he was.
Punking thing
Beating Shatter star on three occasion very easiliy.
Wolverine school generation X

Can you show the scan that Wolvie beat Beast in a single panel? Beast is overrated imo. Daredevil beat him in a few panels and so has Cap. Ogun was impressive as well as Stick, but we all know Stick wasnt fighting to all his abilities. He was indeed holding back on Wolvie. Thing is always getting punked by someone😖hifty: Daredevil even punked him briefly. Who on Generation X is a formadible h2h combatant? I still dont think Shatterstar is on the level of skills as other, but i wont take that away from Wolvie at all.

Originally posted by capt it up
I don’t agree with this statement, but every one is entitled to there own opinions.

I only say that because some people claim him to be "Master of Martial Arts", but thats just a title. He has yet to show it in battle agsint someone with high MA prowess. At least not on a regular basis. Im not saying he isnt good, just not master of MA's imo.

Originally posted by capt it up
True
http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marvelcomicspresents151160ke5n.jpg

Yes. True indeed.

Originally posted by capt it up
I don’t agree, but that’s my opinion and you have yours

And heres why i dont understand why. If you say Wolvie can beat Fist cause hes already beat someone whos beat Fist ass. Why is it that You dont think Daredevil is better than Chi or Fist when Daredevil has beat Wolvie(who you think is better than Fist) and also considering that Wolvie beat Chi in a couple of panels? But youre right. We have our own opinions.

Originally posted by capt it up
Like I said he surprised Logan also as I stated earlier there was quite a lot of PIS in that event.

And like i said. Panther srprised Logan with his speed. It was clear that Logan was in a offensive position. Panther just reacted faster than Wolvie though he cuold.

Originally posted by jinzin
I think he is, he has fought with a number of very good fighters in the MU and always seems to do a fairly good job of holiding his own.. the fact that shatterstars at his level seems to be a good testement to his abilities.. shattesta fought in a conflict with juggernaught witout being so much as touched... and he got in close on several occasions, once stabbing jugg's eyes and again when he severed the bolts on jugg's helmet...

I just remember every description I've ever read states that he's one of the greatest warriors of his time.. though admittedly he may experience at the lease SOME cis when fighting wolverine since he rgards wolverine as a warrior of legend from his time.

Im not saying Pool doesnt do a good job, but i personally think theres quite a few above him in terms of skill in h2h. I think hes skilled overal.

Originally posted by jinzin
well one occasion with DD can't really be held in too high regard since it was written by ennis.. the other had outside circumstances that allowed DD to get lucky in a fight where he was getting backed into a wall...
bp gave him a lesson in humility but it was more of a surprise than anything and wolverine's also given BP hell before as well.. with IF it looked like wolverine was hardly taking the fight seriously whatsoever. He's literally just ignoring IF's hits because he thinks IF's just wasting his time.. which he more or less was...

Regardless if it was written by ennis, it happened. Does ennis have something aganst Wolverine? Someone can say the same about Wolvie beating Chi in 2 panels. In the other instance there were outside circumstances yea, but on both sides. Daredevil also fought about 20-40 hand ninjas before actually getting to Wolvie.
True, BP gave him a lesson in humility, but Wolvie ws not surprised by the attack exactly. It was Panthers speed that caught Wolvie by surprise. Wolvie drew the claws and went into offensive mode. He was jsut surprised by Panthers speed.
In the Iron Fist book, Wolvie was indeed fighting seriously. Fist was in his girlfriends appanrtment and when Wolvie busted through the door, he mentioned how he was gonna cut Fist to pieces. Wolvie was trying to beat Fist. Wolvie was ignoring the hit? No. In the first hit, he mentioned how he hasnt been hit like that since he was a kid. All hits after was practically knocking Wolvie across the room, but due to healing factor, he kept coming back for more. When Fist threw him out the window, that was the end of part 1.

Originally posted by jinzin
I wouldn't... kun lun was more powerful than iron fist and more skilled, and had powers IF didn't have.. he was clearly>>>over iron fist.

iron fist did hand wolvie another lesson in humility but it wasn't much more than that.. you have to admit wolverine was hardly trying.. he was treating that fight like a joke specifically because he thought IF couldn't do anything to him.... it's hardly an accurate representation of IF vs. Wolvie if they were both going at it using all their talents skill and attributes which we have to consider in these threads right?

I dont even know if Fist was 100%. But youre right though, Kun Lun was clearly >>> Iron Fist and Cage for than matter.

Wolve was indeed trying. They thought Fist broke into his girls appartment. Wolvie wasnt treating Fist like a joke at all. Wolverine was mentioning that hed just keep coming back no matter how hard Fist tried. However Fist never got to use the IF on him. If anything Wolvie was going at it moreso than Fist considering he wasnted to use the ironfist but couldnt. Wolvie was going all out, but to no avail.

Originally posted by jinzin
what i mean is, you CAN use the BP feat as evidence to prove a point but there's also a feat that contradicts that.. there's nothing however to contradict that wolverine could PWN shang chi since no evidecne exists.

😆 Thats true. I dont have anything to contradict Wolvie owning Shang-Chi. However, cant i blame the Chi incident on the writer?😬

Originally posted by jrodslam
They were all new and underdeveloped. That was until writers decided to give Wolvie a bit of skill along with the ferocity. Thats even more reason why we shuold get a fight more recent between the two.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Iron Fist has beat Colossus in Contest of Champions, so it seems like much hasnt changed between those two at least.😆

Originally posted by jrodslam
They had the sheer advantage in numbers and natural strength as many on this forum hold so highly. What IF had that trumped them was technique and focus. :

Originally posted by jrodslam
What was Wolvies first bio? Was he mentioned to be a skilled fighter then?

Originally posted by jrodslam
True his character wasnt completely developed, but Nor was it when he fought Hulk for the first time and he did quite well then.

Originally posted by jrodslam
And its not like when he fights people such as DD and BP NOW, he uses that skill.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Can you show the scan that Wolvie beat Beast in a single panel?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Beast is overrated imo. Daredevil beat him in a few panels

Originally posted by jrodslam
and so has Cap.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Ogun was impressive as well as Stick,

Originally posted by jrodslam
but we all know Stick wasnt fighting to all his abilities.

Originally posted by jrodslam
He was indeed holding back on Wolvie.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Thing is always getting punked by someone😖hifty:

Originally posted by jrodslam
Daredevil even punked him briefly.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Who on Generation X is a formadible h2h combatant?

Originally posted by jrodslam
I still dont think Shatterstar is on the level of skills as other, but i wont take that away from Wolvie at all.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I only say that because some people claim him to be "Master of Martial Arts",

Originally posted by jrodslam
but thats just a title. ",

Originally posted by jrodslam
He has yet to show it in battle agsint someone with high MA prowess. At least not on a regular basis. Im not saying he isnt good, just not master of MA's imo. ",

Originally posted by jrodslam
Yes. True indeed.

Originally posted by jrodslam
And heres why i dont understand why. If you say Wolvie can beat Fist cause hes already beat someone whos beat Fist ass. Why is it that You dont think Daredevil is better than Chi or Fist when Daredevil has beat Wolvie(who you think is better than Fist)

Originally posted by jrodslam
And like i said. Panther srprised Logan with his speed. It was clear that Logan was in a offensive position. Panther just reacted faster than Wolvie though he cuold.

That comic WAS full of PIS, but I would really like to see a comic panel that shows a martial artist as good as daredevil, trying a pressure point on Wolverine with absoultely no success. Much less a hit to the adams apple...A collapsed wind pipe is not tissue damage...it isn't something you really heal from....same as Wolverine being able to die from suffocation, you can't really heal from it.

Regardless of that argument - I wanted to point out that Deadpool hardly ever gets the respect he deserves in his fights. He is a VERY skilled combatant and has hung with the likes of Wolverine and Taskmaster time and time again. I don't know if I would go as far to say top ten, or anything, but Deadpool is definitely not far behind Logan.

Originally posted by Soljer
That comic WAS full of PIS, but I would really like to see a comic panel that shows a martial artist as good as daredevil, trying a pressure point on Wolverine with absoultely no success. Much less a hit to the adams apple...A collapsed wind pipe is not tissue damage...it isn't something you really heal from....same as Wolverine being able to die from suffocation, you can't really heal from it.

A hit to the windpipe might include tissue damage, but a collapsed windpipe does not. It's an entirely different beast.

And, I wasn't talking about Logan ceasing to fight because of the lack of oxygen, I Was just paralleling his ability to DIE from suffocation.

Oh, and as far as that being PIS, I might (on a personal level) agree to a certain extent. But it isn't universally received as PIS. And as YOU often say, the "THATS PIS!!!" argument doesn't hold much weight around here. If it's written, it's possible (for the most part.)

Originally posted by Soljer
A hit to the windpipe might include tissue damage, but a collapsed windpipe does not. It's an entirely different beast.

And, I wasn't talking about Logan ceasing to fight because of the lack of oxygen, I Was just paralleling his ability to DIE from suffocation.

Oh, and as far as that being PIS, I might (on a personal level) agree to a certain extent. But it isn't universally received as PIS. And as YOU often say, the "THATS PIS!!!" argument doesn't hold much weight around here. If it's written, it's possible (for the most part.)

does not matter if it cause tissue damage or not it is still damage to the body which wolverine healing factor would heal.

also im not totaly sure wolverine would die from lose of oxygen not for good at least, but that is my opinion base of of jinzin and srank recent post's on another thread or maybe it was this thread

Wait...what all can Wolverine's healing factor heal? If it isn't tissue damage, what other kind of 'body damage' is there?

Originally posted by Soljer
Wait...what all can Wolverine's healing factor heal? If it isn't tissue damage, what other kind of 'body damage' is there?

Originally posted by capt it up
I find it just as stupid as IF beating Colossus

Really depends on the object since an object that can pierce colossus armor may not bother Logan at all due to the fact he would heal it.

That’s due to spell check on word.

Well I suppose it is stupid but I wasn't to sure how powerful the IF was so I assumed it had the power to KO him.

Ah that spell check is rather crap.

Originally posted by capt it up
a colasped Lung is still damage to the body and if there damage to the body u can heal it

A collapsed lung and collapsed windpipe are two different things. Its like...kind of a like taking a cardboard tube and crushing it. Now, the tube is still intact, there is no actual 'damage' to it, but it is still bent, and blocking the 'pipe' of the tube. Even if you straighten it out again so that it opens, it won't really open all the way, and it will be pathetically easy to collapse again.

I can't even remember what my initial prediction in this thread was, but it was probably in favor of Wolverine, I defend him as often as I argue against him, I'm only arguing this point because I don't believe that he is completely and utterly immortal or invincible. But that's my opinion, as you so often remind everyone :-/.

I have always wondered about that throat strike myself and how DD, didn’t break all of his fingers considering that his adam’s apple would be surrounded in admantium as well.

Originally posted by capt it up

Yes use a picture from a comic that had more PIS then almost any comic, I have ever seen. That event it self is clearly PIS. Wolverine has shown repeatedly to be unaffected by pressure points unless a weapon his jammed into the pressure point. Also I know DD hit his Adam’s apple, but that should have done absolutely nothing to a man with a healing factor as advanced as Logan’s. Wolverine takes bullets to the throat with out flinching and yet he is taken down by a freaking neck jab? Wolverine takes swords to the throat and keeps fighting he even some times has the swords still in his throat. That event was PIS because it clearly goes against many showing’s that prove such a thing should have had no effect on Wolverine.
Also that very same run Wolverine drinks acid think it is booze. That is impossible for a man who has a sense of smell that is even more advanced then Daredevil’s.
Also in that very run Spiderman is in a room full of fake bomb’s and he thinks they are real. How is that possible for a genius who has an ability to tell when he in danger to be tricked by fake bombs?
That is just two events of PIS out of many many more just from that single run.
Also I am not even sure if that comic run was cannon I thought I heard it was stated later to all be a dream, but I could be incorrect about that. Another reason I think it is not cannon is because in a wolverine issue wolverine talks about how punisher got the better of him before and he does not mention a single event from that Ennis run yet he mentions the events from when a steam roller was put on him.

So Wolverine throwing a dumpster which is pyscicly impossible due to not only his strength, but also gravity and pyhcicis is not PIS, but DD beating Wolverine is PIS 🤨

Did you just say that Wolverine drinks acid?!?!?

Originally posted by ThePittman
I have always wondered about that throat strike myself and how DD, didn’t break all of his fingers considering that his adam’s apple would be surrounded in admantium as well.

The adam's apple is made of cartilege, not bone.

Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
The adam's apple is made of cartilege, not bone.

Haha, you beat me to it.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Im not saying Pool doesnt do a good job, but i personally think theres quite a few above him in terms of skill in h2h. I think hes skilled overal.

oh btw: shatterstar is the greatest fighter on the plnaet from where he's from and he was the best h2h fighter on the x-force since he joined the team...

Originally posted by jrodslam
Regardless if it was written by ennis, it happened. Does ennis have something aganst Wolverine?

that's the thing though...ennis really DOES have something against wolverine.. in fact he has something against any superhero with superpowers... he's admited that he has an unatural hatred for superpowered heroes because they're unrealistic, and he's admitted to adding his own bias into the comics he writes... I mean (for the purposes of discussion🙂 I don't care how bias I am towards a character with superpowers I'm not gonna make spiderman stand in a room full of fake landmines and have his spider sense going off, it COMPLETELY ignores what the character's capible of doing 100% of the time, which is to sense danger... ennis makes anybody who isn't realistic in his eyes look like shit by comparison...
comic writers shouldn't include their own bias lacking rational on paper I don't care how against superpowered heroes they are...

Originally posted by jrodslam
.. couldn't I say the same about Wolvie beating Chi in 2 panels.

no you really couldn't... cause as far as I know the writer of that book never admitted to hating superpowered kung fu fighting asians...

Originally posted by jrodslam
In the other instance there were outside circumstances yea, but on both sides. Daredevil also fought about 20-40 hand ninjas before actually getting to Wolvie.
True, BP gave him a lesson in humility, but Wolvie ws not surprised by the attack exactly. It was Panthers speed that caught Wolvie by surprise. Wolvie drew the claws and went into offensive mode. He was jsut surprised by Panthers speed

agreed and
agreed.. did I imply that wolverine was surprised by his attack? 😕 in any case it's clear that BP's speed was what surprised wolvie.

Originally posted by jrodslam
In the Iron Fist book, Wolvie was indeed fighting seriously. Fist was in his girlfriends appanrtment and when Wolvie busted through the door, he mentioned how he was gonna cut Fist to pieces. Wolvie was trying to beat Fist. Wolvie was ignoring the hit? No. In the first hit, he mentioned how he hasnt been hit like that since he was a kid. All hits after was practically knocking Wolvie across the room, but due to healing factor, he kept coming back for more. When Fist threw him out the window, that was the end of part 1.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont even know if Fist was 100%. But youre right though, Kun Lun was clearly >>> Iron Fist and Cage for than matter.

Wolve was indeed trying. They thought Fist broke into his girls appartment. Wolvie wasnt treating Fist like a joke at all. Wolverine was mentioning that hed just keep coming back no matter how hard Fist tried. However Fist never got to use the IF on him. If anything Wolvie was going at it moreso than Fist considering he wasnted to use the ironfist but couldnt. Wolvie was going all out, but to no avail.

hardly all out at all... if you want to see all out wolverine I can show you all out wolverine...

Originally posted by jrodslam
😆 Thats true. I dont have anything to contradict Wolvie owning Shang-Chi. However, cant i blame the Chi incident on the writer?😬

Originally posted by capt it up
Wolverine defeated Herc. In Contest of Champions 2.

Does Herc have some Hulk level healing factor that i didnt know about? we dont even know if that was immortal Herc. Hercs skin is definately abe to be penetrated by Wolvie. Hell, hes done it to Hulk and Namor. Plus its not the second time Iron Fist handled Colossus in a fight.

Originally posted by capt it up
Undeveloped character and also they clearly were not taking the fight to serous as jinzin stated earlier

Re-read the fight. They were taking it seriously indeed.

Originally posted by capt it up
His first Bio said he was skilled, but his first Bio also came out after his solo series had been made and his martial art portion of Wolverine had been shown.

Martial Arts good enough to list him as a master of all Earthly Martial Arts? I dont think so. Im sure his bio did say he was skilled, but i think they went a bit overboard with the stats.

Originally posted by capt it up
He was far more developed then when he fought IF and also his hulk fight was all after miller and clamonts run if I am not mistaken.

Thats the point im trying to make. When Wolvie first fought Hulk, he did extreemly well without the use of high martial arts preowess. Yet when he fights someone with some skill, he gets manhandeled. Save for Shang-Chi.😆

Originally posted by capt it up
He does unless it was an ennis run.

Can you show me where?

Originally posted by capt it up
Don’t have a working scanner, but I do have the issue number.
Wolverine enemy of the state issue 25 part 6.

Cool. Ill see if i can find them.

Originally posted by capt it up
When did he do that? Do you have a issue number or scans?

Originally posted by capt it up
True cap beat him in like 2 pages, but that was also pre up graded beast.

Which brings me to my point whe Beast is overrated. Who has Beast beat with some skill, post or pre upgrade? And please dont brink up Danger.

Originally posted by capt it up
And wolverine was ?

Difference is Stick has radar thats better than DD's. Secondly, Stick has the ability to drain life force, ala Omega Red. As we know how good Wolvie does aganst that. Not good at all.

Originally posted by capt it up
Wolverine was holding back more then stick was. Hell wolverine was only blocking and was not even using his claws.

See above.

Originally posted by capt it up
Not really and the he hardly ever gets put down in like 5 pannels.

Namor has owned him a couple times in about that amount.😄 But maybe i exaggerated overal, but you get my point. When i think of high level powerhouses Thing just doesnt come to mind till after about 5 others.

Originally posted by capt it up
Dancing around thing is not punking him.

Dancing around? What areyou reffering to? He was fighting both Mr. Fantastic and Thing at the same time. Trying to avoid being beat to a pulp.

Originally posted by capt it up
The leader is and the rest are not untrained and have all seen combat. Also who needs that much combat skill when you have enough raw power in one team such as that.

What level of formidable? IF, BP, DD, Cap level? I doubt that.

Originally posted by capt it up
Fair enough, but you really should read up on him.

True. I used to read alot of X-Force back in the day. Domino is my favorite.😄

Originally posted by capt it up
That is because Wolverine clearly is.

It not just a title Wolverine clearly is.

I was talking about Shang-Chi. And Wolverine "Master of MArtial Arts"? Since when? Probably master of some, but all has yet to be shown capt.

Originally posted by capt it up
He has shown many many time’s that he is, it is not are fault you do not read Wolverine regularly.

See above.

Originally posted by capt it up
Yes use a picture from a comic that had more PIS then almost any comic, I have ever seen. That event it self is clearly PIS. Wolverine has shown repeatedly to be unaffected by pressure points unless a weapon his jammed into the pressure point. Also I know DD hit his Adam’s apple, but that should have done absolutely nothing to a man with a healing factor as advanced as Logan’s. Wolverine takes bullets to the throat with out flinching and yet he is taken down by a freaking neck jab? Wolverine takes swords to the throat and keeps fighting he even some times has the swords still in his throat. That event was PIS because it clearly goes against many showing’s that prove such a thing should have had no effect on Wolverine.
Also that very same run Wolverine drinks acid think it is booze. That is impossible for a man who has a sense of smell that is even more advanced then Daredevil’s.
Also in that very run Spiderman is in a room full of fake bomb’s and he thinks they are real. How is that possible for a genius who has an ability to tell when he in danger to be tricked by fake bombs?
That is just two events of PIS out of many many more just from that single run.
Also I am not even sure if that comic run was cannon I thought I heard it was stated later to all be a dream, but I could be incorrect about that. Another reason I think it is not cannon is because in a wolverine issue wolverine talks about how punisher got the better of him before and he does not mention a single event from that Ennis run yet he mentions the events from when a steam roller was put on him.

Sometimes Wolvie goes down by bullets, sometimes he doesnt. Why must you call that instance PIS, when you dont call it PIS when he schooled Shang-Chi? You dont think that was horrible writing considering Shang-Chi alleged expertise in martial arts? The door swings both ways. Wolverines sense of smell being better than Daredevils can be debated. I personally dont think its better. Punisher with prep is a beast. Maybe the acid didnt have a scent who knows.😬
Spidermans Spidey sense can be manipulated as shown many times before. Im sure many people would like to think that the arc wasnt cannon, but until we get some solid evidence, it is.

Originally posted by capt it up
Which is surprising Logan.

Like i said, Panther didnt surprise Logan with the attack itself. He merely surprised Logan with his speed to where wolvie coulndt do anything about the attack. Totally different my friend.

Originally posted by jrodslam

Sometimes Wolvie goes down by bullets, sometimes he doesnt. Why must you call that instance PIS, when you dont call it PIS when he schooled Shang-Chi? You dont think that was horrible writing considering Shang-Chi alleged expertise in martial arts? The door swings both ways. Wolverines sense of smell being better than Daredevils can be debated. I personally dont think its better. Punisher with prep is a beast. Maybe the acid didnt have a scent who knows.😬
Spidermans Spidey sense can be manipulated as shown many times before. Im sure many people would like to think that the arc wasnt cannon, but until we get some solid evidence, it is.

why? wolverine's just as skilled as shang, he's superhuman compared to shang, and he's easily more experienced...

also, daredevil admitted that wolverine's ofactory sense is better than his own.. he said it himself...

Originally posted by jinzin
yeah.

oh btw: shatterstar is the greatest fighter on the plnaet from where he's from and he was the best h2h fighter on the x-force since he joined the team...

I personally think Domino would beat him, but thats just me. Shatterstar may be the greatest fighter on the planet hes from, but who are the other fighters to compare him to to say hes the greatest?

Originally posted by jinzin
that's the thing though...ennis really DOES have something against wolverine.. in fact he has something against any superhero with superpowers... he's admited that he has an unatural hatred for superpowered heroes because they're unrealistic, and he's admitted to adding his own bias into the comics he writes... I mean (for the purposes of discussion🙂 I don't care how bias I am towards a character with superpowers I'm not gonna make spiderman stand in a room full of fake landmines and have his spider sense going off, it COMPLETELY ignores what the character's capible of doing 100% of the time, which is to sense danger... ennis makes anybody who isn't realistic in his eyes look like shit by comparison...
comic writers shouldn't include their own bias lacking rational on paper I don't care how against superpowered heroes they are...

Actually, the mines that were in the room werent fakes. They were indeed the real deal. HOWEVER, like Daredevil stated, they werent wired to the detonator pad or something. Spideys sense have been manipulated in the past. Maybe the ss was going off cause it was a real min, but it wasnt sure if the wires were connected right. Good example of ss being manipulated was when he though DD was a villain robot, but didnt notice the ss wasnt going off.

Originally posted by jinzin
no you really couldn't... cause as far as I know the writer of that book never admitted to hating superpowered kung fu fighting asians...

But maybe the writer of that comic was a big Wolverine fan and wanted to show Wolvie can beat Chi. Never been stated thouht, so you have a sliiight pont there. slight.😄

Originally posted by jinzin
how so? I mean wasn't he smiling at fist.. he wasn't even using skill or even trying to avoid IF's punches.. how is that trying? much less all out?

He was trying to down Fist. He caught Fist breaking into Jeans appartment. The one he loves. Youre tellig me that if he thinks the woman he loves is in danger, hes not fighting forreal? When Wolvie fights someone with high MA preowess, how often do we see him dodging? Thats just like when people shoot at him, instead of dodging all the time, he takes the bullets(as capt it up would say) just because he can.

Originally posted by jinzin
you can but it's a copout.. you could call me a hipoctrite considering what I said about ennis.. but that's only if you're ignoring the ennis' obvious and admitted bias.

But because the writer(Enis)admitted his bias, and the writer who wrote the Wolvei/Chi fight didnt(if there was some type), doesnt mean that there actually wasnt on his part. Only difference is that Enis's was publicly mentioned. But youre right. Saying the writer of the Wolvie/Chi fight was bias is a huge assumption.

how can bulets bounce off wolves, his bones are adamantium, not his skin, that is pis.