iron fist vs wolverine(no claws)

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont know if this was mentioned, but back in the day Iron Fist did get the best of Wolverine(with claws) in a fight. Wolvie then got assistance from Colossus and Nightcrawler and Iron Fist still had the slight advantage in the fight.

Storm came and stopped it though.

Ah yes, Iron Fist's own run. People always do better in their own runs then in other comics. Besides, when Iron Fist threw Wolverine out of the window, Wolverine wasn't really done fighting. However, that was before Wolverine's past was uncovered, then we learned of his martial arts/samurai training. Recently, there was the fight where this guy fought Danny and kicked the crap outta him. The guy then beat Luke Cage and in came Wolverine. Wolverine then beat the guy up. However, Wolverine has shown his martial arts skills before. Here he is beating the sh*t out of Shang Chi:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6651229
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6397356

Originally posted by batdude123
Ah yes, Iron Fist's own run. People always do better in their own runs then in other comics. Besides, when Iron Fist threw Wolverine out of the window, Wolverine wasn't really done fighting. However, that was before Wolverine's past was uncovered, then we learned of his martial arts/samurai training. Recently, there was the fight where this guy fought Danny and kicked the crap outta him. The guy then beat Luke Cage and in came Wolverine. Wolverine then beat the guy up. However, Wolverine has shown his martial arts skills before. Here he is beating the sh*t out of Shang Chi:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6651229
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6397356

True sometimes people do perform better in their own run, however it isnt a guarantee when its heroes facing off agsint each other instead of hero vs villain. I didnt say that when Fist threw Wolvie out the window, Wolvie was done fighting. I did say that Fist got the best of Wolvie and the others. You have to ask yourself, who was looking more dominant in that fight and the answers clearly Iron Fist. I did also mention that it was an old comic. Wolvie's past may be uncovers, but he still hasnt shown himself to be as skilled as Fist on more occasions. What comic and issue was the instance youre reffering to? In the fight with Shang, its seems as if Chi's a novice. That still doesnt say to me Wolvie would beat Fist. Iron Fist stalemated Panther to a knockout and Panther schooled Wolvie with a move didnt he? Or was it 2 moves? I still think Fist shows much more skill than Wolvie.

Originally posted by Sparkz
And you don't find the fact wolverine KOing Herc with bone claws a tiny bit stupid?

Originally posted by Sparkz
And have you got any examples of something KOing Collossus but not wolverine cause if its due to a physical attack that just seems stupid because of collosuss's imense durabilty and the lack of wolverines (as in he isnt armoured like collossus is not that he has low durability)

Originally posted by Sparkz
Ok one more thing that bugs me, in all your posts is when you say"Thats your option" don't you mean "thats your opinion" sorry but its just bugging me.

I don't know whats wrong with your spell check, but 'opinion' DEFINITELY doesn't change into 'option'...unless you utterly butcher 'opinion.'

Originally posted by jrodslam
True sometimes people do perform better in their own run, however it isnt a guarantee when its heroes facing off agsint each other instead of hero vs villain.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I didnt say that when Fist threw Wolvie out the window, Wolvie was done fighting. I did say that Fist got the best of Wolvie and the others

Originally posted by jrodslam
I did also mention that it was an old comic. Wolvie's past may be uncovers, but he still hasnt shown himself to be as skilled as Fist on more occasions.

Originally posted by jrodslam
What comic and issue was the instance youre reffering to?

Originally posted by jrodslam
In the fight with Shang, its seems as if Chi's a novice.

Originally posted by jrodslam
That still doesnt say to me Wolvie would beat Fist.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Iron Fist stalemated Panther to a knockout

Originally posted by jrodslam
and Panther schooled Wolvie with a move didnt he? Or was it 2 moves?

Originally posted by jrodslam
I still think Fist shows much more skill than Wolvie.

Originally posted by Soljer
I don't know whats wrong with your spell check, but 'opinion' DEFINITELY doesn't change into 'option'...unless you utterly butcher 'opinion.'

Originally posted by jrodslam
True sometimes people do perform better in their own run, however it isnt a guarantee when its heroes facing off agsint each other instead of hero vs villain. I didnt say that when Fist threw Wolvie out the window, Wolvie was done fighting. I did say that Fist got the best of Wolvie and the others. You have to ask yourself, who was looking more dominant in that fight and the answers clearly Iron Fist. I did also mention that it was an old comic. Wolvie's past may be uncovers, but he still hasnt shown himself to be as skilled as Fist on more occasions. What comic and issue was the instance youre reffering to? In the fight with Shang, its seems as if Chi's a novice. That still doesnt say to me Wolvie would beat Fist. Iron Fist stalemated Panther to a knockout and Panther schooled Wolvie with a move didnt he? Or was it 2 moves? I still think Fist shows much more skill than Wolvie.

You have a good point with the "hero vs. villain" part, however this was before Wolverine's past was uncovered. In other words, this was before Wolverine's martial arts skills were made known. I'll give you the fact that IF came out on top in that battle, however Wolverine was much less formidable back then. Although, Wolverine DOES show his martial arts skills. He's beaten 20 thugs, caliban, shatterstar, and this guy...:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741453

... all one right after the other. He's also defeated an army of ninjas as well. He knows his martial arts. Here's the comic I was referring to:

http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max00110dr.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max001215rp.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max0013jpg17ro.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max001411mk.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max001515zi.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max001611zn.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max00022xq.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max0006b3wi.jpg

About the Black Panther fight, yes everbody has high end and low end feats. That was definitely a low end feat. That doesn't show me that Wolverine wouldn't kill Black Panther in a different situation.

Originally posted by capt it up
They were a pretty new team back then. Also IF was never able to seriously hurt Logan and it almost look as if Logan was not trying and Logan was using no skill what so ever because he had no need to use it.

They were pretty new in fighting together. Not new in fighting period. I never said Fist was able to hurt Logan. I said that he got the better of Logan as well as Nightcrawler and Colossus. Are you denying that? I do think Logan was trying, but once aginst he didnt use skill and tactic to beat Fist. If you think he had no need to use skill, why is it that Fist was having his way with Logan?

Originally posted by capt it up
That’s every debatable actually. Also Wolverine when he shows to really cut lose with his skills has feats that make IF look bad such as getting the better of a guy who beat the crap out of IF easily and cage.

What feats of SKILL would those be capt?

Originally posted by capt it up
I will gladly tell you the issue number and title if I know what fight you are referring too.

I wasnt the one who brough up the fight. It was Batdude123 who did.

Originally posted by capt it up
The reason he looks like a novice is because Wolverine is making him look like a novice.

Although i think Shang-Chi is overrated, i dont think hes that bad for Wolvie to school in a panel or two. What comic is that and can i get scans of the whole fight? Or is that it?

Originally posted by capt it up
Well it looks pretty clear that he can beat people with similar fighting skills and abilities that IF posses.

I wouldnt say that. Hes struggled with Fist before and ofcourse DD. Although i do think DD is better than Fist and Chi personally.

Originally posted by capt it up
You must be refearing to issue 8 of black panther x-men run. Also it was a Black Panther comic and not only was it full of PIS, but Black Panther surprised Logan he in no way beat Logan or even came close to KOing Logan.

BP surprised Logan? It didnt look so to me. It seems as if Wolvie underestimated Panther and got sunned for it. Black Panther only surprised Logan with his speed. Not with the attack itself. I also never said he knocked Logan out. I said he schooled him, in which he did. Logan underestimated him and though hed stop Panther easy and he got tossed for it.

Originally posted by batdude123
You have a good point with the "hero vs. villain" part, however this was before Wolverine's past was uncovered. In other words, this was before Wolverine's martial arts skills were made known. I'll give you the fact that IF came out on top in that battle, however Wolverine was much less formidable back then. Although, Wolverine DOES show his martial arts skills. He's beaten 20 thugs, caliban, shatterstar, and this guy...:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741453

✅
scourge..

scourge is so badass he KOed shatterstar and deadpool at the same time with one hit.
in that fight he even acknowledges that wolverine has to hold back on him so wolverine won't kill him. thus why wolverine's hand to handing it with him.. and he puts up a great fight...

... all one right after the other. He's also defeated an army of ninjas as well. He knows his martial arts. Here's the comic I was referring to:

Originally posted by batdude123
About the Black Panther fight, yes everbody has high end and low end feats. That was definitely a low end feat. That doesn't show me that Wolverine wouldn't kill Black Panther in a different situation.

remember contest of champions when he acknowledged logan could kill him and logan almost did until thing interfered?

I think one of the main things that people overlook about wolverine is simply that wolverine doesn't have to use his skill all the time so he doesn't use it... everytime wolverine's powers get downgraded or straight up stripped away from him, he starts using his skill like crazy.. guys like iron fist guys like cap and dd they have to be at the top of their game because they can't afford not to be.. wolverine can... and he knows he can.. he doesn't have to get hit by bullets half the time but sometimes it's just more efficient for him to run right through them.. does that mean that he lacks the skill to do so? not neccessairly.. just that he doesn't use the skill cause he knows he can afford not to...
I'll admit his lack of use of skill in fights is a portion of CIS on his part.. or bad writing for people who don't know much about him, or artists just trying to keep the panals attractive.. but still you can't deny he has skill... he's had too many feats and too many stat sheets that claim otherwise.. over and over and over...

that said.. I think fist can take wolvie here... fist can amp himself to physically compete with wrecker and KO the whole wrecking crew in one fight.. wolverine's got lots of damage soak but if he can't use the claws than I doubt that he'll be able to take a win before he goes down... I mean iron fist not only beat black panther senseless, he beat the man into a state of making him terrified of confrontations for a short time, and he tore the shit out of bp's vibranium suit with his hits.... wolverine may be able to compete for a bit but that iron fist is going to be a big problem when all wolverine can really on is admantium packed punches and kicks.. IF 6 or 7/10.

Originally posted by batdude123
You have a good point with the "hero vs. villain" part, however this was before Wolverine's past was uncovered. In other words, this was before Wolverine's martial arts skills were made known. I'll give you the fact that IF came out on top in that battle, however Wolverine was much less formidable back then. Although, Wolverine DOES show his martial arts skills. He's beaten 20 thugs, caliban, shatterstar, and this guy...:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741453

... all one right after the other. He's also defeated an army of ninjas as well. He knows his martial arts.

When was Wolvies past uncovered? Im not saying Wolvie doesnt show his MA skills. He just doesnt show them more than IF imo. 20 thugs is nothing really. Plus how good is Caliban ans Shatterstar when it comes to MA's? I asked that question a while ago, but noone answered.

Originally posted by batdude123
Here's the comic I was referring to:
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max00110dr.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max001215rp.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max0013jpg17ro.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max001411mk.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max001515zi.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max001611zn.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max00022xq.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max0006b3wi.jpg

About the Black Panther fight, yes everbody has high end and low end feats. That was definitely a low end feat. That doesn't show me that Wolverine wouldn't kill Black Panther in a different situation.

In those scans posted, its not actually Wolvie showing MA skill. He did beat IF#2 seemingly though. Its still not really convincing that hed Beat the real IF as easily. You are right about everyone having high and low end feats. Wolvie may very well be able to beat Panther in another type of situation, however we can go by that instance used just as you and others go by the Shang-Chi instance used. The door swings both ways. Its like they have multiple fights against each other to go off of.

Originally posted by batdude123
You have a good point with the "hero vs. villain" part, however this was before Wolverine's past was uncovered. In other words, this was before Wolverine's martial arts skills were made known. I'll give you the fact that IF came out on top in that battle, however Wolverine was much less formidable back then. Although, Wolverine DOES show his martial arts skills. He's beaten 20 thugs, caliban, shatterstar, and this guy...:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4741453

... all one right after the other. He's also defeated an army of ninjas as well. He knows his martial arts. Here's the comic I was referring to:

http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max00110dr.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max001215rp.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max0013jpg17ro.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max001411mk.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max001515zi.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max001611zn.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max00022xq.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max0006b3wi.jpg

About the Black Panther fight, yes everbody has high end and low end feats. That was definitely a low end feat. That doesn't show me that Wolverine wouldn't kill Black Panther in a different situation.

Originally posted by jinzin
about the panther fight: panther got one throw and that's a win? it's certainly a lesson in humility but a win? hardly...

Who said it was a win for Black Panther?

Originally posted by jinzin
remember contest of champions when he acknowledged logan could kill him and logan almost did until thing interfered?

I dont think Panther acknowledged logan could kill him. He simply wondered to himself if Logan actually WOULD kill him due to his claws being out.

Just wanted to clear that up.😄

Originally posted by jrodslam
When was Wolvies past uncovered? Im not saying Wolvie doesnt show his MA skills. He just doesnt show them more than IF imo. 20 thugs is nothing really. Plus how good is Caliban ans Shatterstar when it comes to MA's? I asked that question a while ago, but noone answered.

Originally posted by jrodslam
In those scans posted, its not actually Wolvie showing MA skill. He did beat IF#2 seemingly though.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Its still not really convincing that hed Beat the real IF as easily.

still the logic seems to fit..wolverine>>>guy that pwned IF.

Originally posted by jrodslam
You are right about everyone having high and low end feats. Wolvie may very well be able to beat Panther in another type of situation, however we can go by that instance used just as you and others go by the Shang-Chi instance used. The door swings both ways. Its like they have multiple fights against each other to go off of.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Who said it was a win for Black Panther?

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont think Panther acknowledged logan could kill him. He simply wondered to himself if Logan actually WOULD kill him due to his claws being out.

Just wanted to clear that up.😄

Yes, but jrodslam said Black Panther was "schooled" by BP in like two moves. That IMPLIES that BP won that altercation. 😄

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes, but jrodslam said Black Panther was "schooled" by BP in like two moves. That IMPLIES that BP won that altercation. 😄

I don't know if that implies that he won anything.. like I said it was a lesson in humility but a win? nahh...

Originally posted by jinzin
wolvie's past uncovered during wolverine (the best there is storyline, as well as the last 6 months of wolverine issues.)
I believe shatterstar is in deadpools class in h2h skill. shatterstar also has some really strange powers for h2h as well.. he's been pwned by wolverine on 3 seperate occasions. Caliban shouldn't have to be good at MA.. caliban has been womping on class 10 characters before since his upgrades by apoc.

I personally dont think Deadpol is mong the higher ranks in terms of pure h2h combat skills.

Originally posted by jinzin
it does show him easily beating many people who do display skill though...

It does, but when he faces the people himself(Iron Fist, Black Panther, Daredevil), he doesnt seem to do as well. Thats the reason i hold fights between them(heroes) more evident moreso than fights against villains. Guy schools Fist, Wolvie schools guy, Fist schools Wolvie. Thats an example of what i dont go by. Because its clear Wolvie easily beat a guy who schooled Fist, i wouldnt say because of that Wolvie would beat Fist. Id compare the fight between Wolvie and Fist specifically.

Originally posted by jinzin
still the logic seems to fit..wolverine>>>guy that pwned IF.

See above.

Originally posted by jinzin
the problem is BP does have a contradicting fight where wolvie was woopin him and chang chi doesn't..

You lost me there.🙁

Originally posted by jrodslam
They were pretty new in fighting together. Not new in fighting period.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I never said Fist was able to hurt Logan. I said that he got the better of Logan as well as Nightcrawler and Colossus.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Are you denying that? I do think Logan was trying, but once against he didn’t use skill and tactic to beat Fist. If you think he had no need to use skill, why is it that Fist was having his way with Logan?

Originally posted by jrodslam
What feats of SKILL would those be capt?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Although i think Shang-Chi is overrated,

Originally posted by jrodslam
i dont think hes that bad for Wolvie to school in a panel or two.

Originally posted by jrodslam
What comic is that and can i get scans of the whole fight? Or is that it?

Originally posted by jrodslam
I wouldnt say that.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Hes struggled with Fist before

Originally posted by jrodslam
and ofcourse DD.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Although i do think DD is better than Fist and Chi personally.

Originally posted by jrodslam
BP surprised Logan? It didnt look so to me. It seems as if Wolvie underestimated Panther and got sunned for it. Black Panther only surprised Logan with his speed. Not with the attack itself. I also never said he knocked Logan out. I said he schooled him, in which he did. Logan underestimated him and though hed stop Panther easy and he got tossed for it.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes, but jrodslam said Black Panther was "schooled" by BP in like two moves. That IMPLIES that BP won that altercation. 😄

I said BP schooled Wolvie in which he did. Does that mean he actually "beat" him? No. Fury schooled Daredevil. It does indicate that a fight would be alot harder than one may think. Hence Wolvie thinking he can easily handle Panther and like Jin said "got taught a lesson in humility".

Originally posted by jrodslam
I personally dont think Deadpol is mong the higher ranks in terms of pure h2h combat skills.

I just remember every description I've ever read states that he's one of the greatest warriors of his time.. though admittedly he may experience at the lease SOME cis when fighting wolverine since he rgards wolverine as a warrior of legend from his time.

Originally posted by jrodslam
It does, but when he faces the people himself(Iron Fist, Black Panther, Daredevil), he doesnt seem to do as well.

well one occasion with DD can't really be held in too high regard since it was written by ennis.. the other had outside circumstances that allowed DD to get lucky in a fight where he was getting backed into a wall...
bp gave him a lesson in humility but it was more of a surprise than anything and wolverine's also given BP hell before as well.. with IF it looked like wolverine was hardly taking the fight seriously whatsoever. He's literally just ignoring IF's hits because he thinks IF's just wasting his time.. which he more or less was...

Originally posted by jrodslam
Thats the reason i hold fights between them(heroes) more evident moreso than fights against villains. Guy schools Fist, Wolvie schools guy, Fist schools Wolvie. Thats an example of what i dont go by. Because its clear Wolvie easily beat a guy who schooled Fist, i wouldnt say because of that Wolvie would beat Fist. Id compare the fight between Wolvie and Fist specifically.

iron fist did hand wolvie another lesson in humility but it wasn't much more than that.. you have to admit wolverine was hardly trying.. he was treating that fight like a joke specifically because he thought IF couldn't do anything to him.... it's hardly an accurate representation of IF vs. Wolvie if they were both going at it using all their talents skill and attributes which we have to consider in these threads right?

Originally posted by jrodslam
You lost me there.🙁