Originally posted by batdude123
So you're saying that Connor couldn't use his TK because WM is relentless? 🤨 That makes absolutely no sense at all. Wonder Man is outclassed and I'm surprised that I'm the only one who realizes it here.
the team still takes the majority.
Originally posted by Accel
Again, I disagree as there has yet to be any evidence of Connor's superiority other than TK, but to each his own.
Superboy has matured as a Kryptonian. He uses TK, but not as much as he used to. He now has the heat vision, x-ray vision, superhumanly acute senses, and stamina that Superman has now. His strength and speed have now gotten better as well. So if you are still thinking of the little tactile TK user, then you are mistaken. Superboy wallops on WM. I'll even say that he'd take the slight majority of the wins against the team as well. Maybe 6/10.
Originally posted by batdude123
Superboy has matured as a Kryptonian. He uses TK, but not as much as he used to. He now has the heat vision, x-ray vision, superhumanly acute senses, and stamina that Superman has now. His strength and speed have now gotten better as well. So if you are still thinking of the little tactile TK user, then you are mistaken. Superboy wallops on WM. I'll even say that he'd take the slight majority of the wins against the team as well. Maybe 6/10.
Originally posted by Accel
I believe he has gotten stronger over the years, but again...
[B]what strength and speed feats put him above Simon? [/B]
Like I've said, he's kept up with Superboy Prime:
http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=108aa.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=128sq.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=139ex.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=156zi.jpg
He has also lifted an entire castle with his TK.
He's kept up with Supergirl in flight speed.
etc...
Originally posted by batdude123
Like I've said, he's kept up with Superboy Prime:http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=108aa.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=128sq.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=139ex.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=156zi.jpgHe has also lifted an entire castle with his TK.
He's kept up with Supergirl in flight speed.
etc...
Just how big WAS the castle? While it sounds impressive, it seems more like a TK feat than a strength feat.
The only time I recall Conner meeting Kara was their first meeting where Connor was owned. I don't recall Connor being able to keep up with her at all.
The castle was pretty damn big, however Wonder Man is a formidable opponent and I'm not underrestimating him in any way shape or form. Wonder Man is outclassed though. Superboy is basically a less powerful version of Superman with TK. Wonder Man's chance are very slim to pull off victories here. Don't get me wrong, he'd definitely pull off a few, put it would take more than a flying brick to put down a Superman type.
Originally posted by batdude123
The castle was pretty damn big, however Wonder Man is a formidable opponent and I'm not underrestimating him in any way shape or form. Wonder Man is outclassed though. Superboy is basically a less powerful version of Superman with TK. Wonder Man's chance are very slim to pull off victories here. Don't get me wrong, he'd definitely pull off a few, put it would take more than a flying brick to put down a Superman type.
I just don't believe he's outclassed. Superboy has his powers, but nothing to indicate he has them to a higher degree. He has the standard 'visions,' but none of them barring heat vision would prove useful here. TK's Connor's only real advantage and I wonder if it'll be enough.
Originally posted by Accel
Supposedly, but would it really be enough to actually beat Simon or just keep him at bay? If the latter were the case, it'd be a stalemate.
Yes, good point. However, what's to stop Superboy from holding Wonder Man with his TK while continually dowsing him with his heat vision? 😬
Is Superboy's heat vision really hotter than a star (remember, this isn't Superman we're talking about here)? Also, depending on how strong Connor's TK constructs really are, WM could probably break out of them.
Wonder Man's ionic energy flowing throughout his body should dismiss the effectiveness of using heat vision on him any way. If dowsing him with heat vision the best Connor can do, then he can at best stalemate Simon.
Originally posted by Accel
Is Superboy's heat vision really hotter than a star (remember, this isn't Superman we're talking about here)? Also, depending on how strong Connor's TK constructs really are, WM could probably break out of them.Wonder Man's ionic energy flowing throughout his body should dismiss the effectiveness of using heat vision on him any way. If dowsing him with heat vision the best Connor can do, then he can at best stalemate Simon.
Yes, considering he is a true kryptonian now. However, can you please explain to me how WM's ionic body would dampen the power of Superboy's heat vision? Superboy is also faster than Wonder Man as well as being more versatile than him, I don't see how Superboy wins unless he engages him in a pure fist fight. What I'm saying is that Superboy has got more options than Wonder Man does. Wonder Man only wins this fight if he gets within close range. If Superboy avoids a close quarter fight, he is basically ensured a victory.
Originally posted by batdude123
Yes, considering he is a true kryptonian now. However, can you please explain to me how WM's ionic body would dampen the power of Superboy's heat vision? Superboy is also faster than Wonder Man as well as being more versatile than him, I don't see how Superboy wins unless he engages him in a pure fist fight. What I'm saying is that Superboy has got more options than Wonder Man does. Wonder Man only wins this fight if he gets within close range. If Superboy avoids a close quarter fight, he is basically ensured a victory.
I have yet to hear any feats that put Connor above Simon in terms of strength or speed; there's really no point in saying he's faster based on nothing. Unless I found out about Conner's TK constructs withstanding more punishment than WM can dish out, I have a hunch Simon will be able to break them. Superboy may have more options, but that doesn't automatically mean a victory, especially if his opponent can counter them or negate their uses.
