A few questions about Jesus Christ

OK, I know I'll get beat over the head for this by the mainstream Christians, but here it goes.

From my understanding mainstream Christianity believes this:

God existed prior to the advent of Jesus Christ
God never claimed the name Jesus Christ prior to the Mortal existence of Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ is the physical form of God taken during that mortal period

So, if at some point in time God is not in physical form, is there an existing Jesus Christ at that point in time, or is there only God the Father? Or is it just like me using Regret and not my real name?

Also, is God the Father the Son of God the Father, and how does this work?

The Trinity never did make any damn sense, but a Christian would probably refer you to John: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God ... and the Word became flesh ..."

So, God existed before Jesus was born, but Christ ("the Word"😉 existed before he took physical form.

Originally posted by Regret
OK, I know I'll get beat over the head for this by the mainstream Christians, but here it goes.

From my understanding mainstream Christianity believes this:

God existed prior to the advent of Jesus Christ
God never claimed the name Jesus Christ prior to the Mortal existence of Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ is the physical form of God taken during that mortal period

So, if at some point in time God is not in physical form, is there an existing Jesus Christ at that point in time, or is there only God the Father? Or is it just like me using Regret and not my real name?

Also, is God the Father the Son of God the Father, and how does this work?

It is mytholigy... It all depends on how you look at it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It all depends on how you look at it.

Yes, it does. I am looking for the answer based on a mainstream Christian's manner of "looking at it."

Originally posted by Gregory
The Trinity never did make any damn sense, but a Christian would probably refer you to John: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God ... and the Word became flesh ..."

So, God existed before Jesus was born, but Christ ("the Word"😉 existed before he took physical form.

So Jesus Christ to them is the Word? So is he the Word when not in the flesh, or is the Word now Jesus Christ, and the Word is just another name for Jesus Christ? This reference doesn't clarify the stance for me. I thought that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit were a single entity from the mainstream Christian stance. This would say that God and the Word existed separately while both were in a nonphysical state.

I never completely understood the trinity, but i dont raelly have a problem with it either. If God was smaller than the mind of a human being then I guess he wouldn't be God at all. Especially since there are so many things in our own bodies that we dont understand.
There are plenty of references to the plurality of God all through the Bible starting in Genesis 1:1. " In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." The word for God in that sentence is Eloheim, which means God manifest in 3 or more persons. It also says "Let us make man in our image". In Genesis 18 The Lord appeared to Abram, since Judaism teaches noone has seen the father to whom was Abram talking? Just a thought.

Originally posted by closeracing
I never completely understood the trinity, but i dont raelly have a problem with it either. If God was smaller than the mind of a human being then I guess he wouldn't be God at all. Especially since there are so many things in our own bodies that we dont understand.
There are plenty of references to the plurality of God all through the Bible starting in Genesis 1:1. " In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." The word for God in that sentence is Eloheim, which means God manifest in 3 or more persons. It also says "Let us make man in our image". In Genesis 18 The Lord appeared to Abram, since Judaism teaches noone has seen the father to whom was Abram talking? Just a thought.

Once again, while useful information, it doesn't answer the question. Elohim only means plurality. Not three or more. Also, does this mean God was separate? It seems that the references given thus far do not support a single entity, but multiple entities.

I am not looking to offend. I will clarify exactly what I am looking for. I want a serious explanation of the support for a singular entity of the mainstream Christian Trinity. It seems that the majority of Christians that believe this do not know, and/or understand, the reasoning behind this belief. I cannot have an intelligent debate on the subject if I do not understand the reasoning and support for this view. Is there a mainstream Christian out there who could explain this for me.

Originally posted by Regret
OK, I know I'll get beat over the head for this by the mainstream Christians, but here it goes.

From my understanding mainstream Christianity believes this:

God existed prior to the advent of Jesus Christ
God never claimed the name Jesus Christ prior to the Mortal existence of Jesus Christ

* eventhough Christ was not introduced by the Father in the Old Testament, God provided prophesies about Christ through the prophets because Christ exists with God in the beginning...

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
For in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;
And he is before all things, and in him all things consist."
Colossians 1:15-17

Originally posted by Regret
Jesus Christ is the physical form of God taken during that mortal period

* the Father and Christ are different beings... but in the beginning, They are both spirits...

"And the Word became flesh , and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father) , full of grace and truth."
John 1:14

* it was Christ who was manifested in the flesh, not the Father... 😉

Originally posted by Regret
So, if at some point in time God is not in physical form, is there an existing Jesus Christ at that point in time, or is there only God the Father? Or is it just like me using Regret and not my real name?

Also, is God the Father the Son of God the Father, and how does this work?

* first off...

"To the intent that now unto the principalities and the powers in the heavenly places might be made known through the church the manifold wisdom of God ,"
Ephesians 3:10

"But unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God ."
I Corinthians 1:24

* Christ is the manifold wisdom of God... and Christ as the Wisdom existed long before the Father created everything...

"The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was .
When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth :
While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
When he prepared the heavens, I was there : when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Then I was by him , as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
Proverbs 8:22-30

The best way to answer any question you have about God is to read the Bible. That is the best advice I can give.

Originally posted by Regret
Jesus Christ is the physical form of God taken during that mortal period

I always thought they believe that he was the actual son of "God".

Originally posted by moviefreak_173
The best way to answer any question you have about God is to read the Bible. That is the best advice I can give.

Originally posted by Boris
I always thought they believe that he was the actual son of "God".

Originally posted by peejayd
* eventhough Christ was not introduced by the Father in the Old Testament, God provided prophesies about Christ through the prophets because Christ exists with God in the beginning...

* the Father and Christ are different beings... but in the beginning, They are both spirits...

* it was Christ who was manifested in the flesh, not the Father... 😉

* first off...

* Christ is the manifold wisdom of God... and Christ as the Wisdom existed long before the Father created everything...

Ok, thank you for the proper type of response.

Given your response, do you believe in the trinity as interpreted by the Nicene Creed? Single entity in three manifestations? I was unsure as to this through your response, at times it seems you do not.

For those of you that said read or pray, I do that, and have done that. My belief is that the Trinity is three separate and distinct individuals, this conclusion is my religions belief, but it is also the conclusion I have come to through study of the Bible and through prayer. Please do not insult me my assuming I would not research somewhat the subject on my own. I am merely asking what you believe as Christians. I have researched it out, and have some knowledge as to where the idea comes from, but I want to know what the lay Christian believes on the matter, and why they believe it based in Biblical text.

Originally posted by Legion_of_Maul
he is the son of God, and he is God at the same time

apparently god reproduces asexually, by budding.

Originally posted by Regret
Ok, thank you for the proper type of response.

Given your response, do you believe in the trinity as interpreted by the Nicene Creed? Single entity in three manifestations? I was unsure as to this through your response, at times it seems you do not.

* nope, the doctrine of the "Trinity" is not Biblical...

"Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit :"
Matthew 28:19

* there is really a Godhead written in the Bible but it does NOT say that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are equal in every way as in the doctrine of "Trinity"...

"Ye heard how I said to you, I go away, and I come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would have rejoiced, because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I ."
John 14:28

* this verse perfectly destroys the doctrine of "Trinity" because of Christ's admittance that the Father is greater than Him... 😉

* the Father, Son and Holy Spirits are three different yet united beings according to the Bible...

"The God that made the world and all things therein , he, being Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;"
The Acts 17:24

* the Father is the Creator...

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
For in him were all things created , in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him , and unto him;
And he is before all things, and in him all things consist."
Colossians 1:15-17

"Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours in the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ :"
II Peter 1:1

* the Son is a Savior and in Him or through Him, all things are created...

"Thou sendest forth thy Spirit, they are created; And thou renewest the face of the ground ."
Psalms 104:30

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost , whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
John 14:26

* the Holy Spirit renews the face of the ground, teaches the people of God and brings the teachings of God to remembrance...

* the Father is God from everlasting to everlasting...

"Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God ."
Psalms 90:2

* the Son was given birth by the Father...

"For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee ? and again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?"
Hebrews 1:5

* and the Holy Spirit came from the Father who is the Father of spirits...

"Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh to chasten us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits , and live?"
Hebrews 12:9

Originally posted by Legion_of_Maul
he is the son of God, and he is God at the same time, he had to die to be a Perfect sacrifice, and rid the world of sin, so all we have to do is Ask Jesus into our hearts, otherwise Christians would be the Exact same as Jews.

Tell me, how exactly did a man being executed rid the world of sin?

How can you ask something of someone who as been dead for over 2000 years?

Is there something wrong with being Jewish? The tone of that seems to me that you look down on Jews.

Didn't you konw? There has been no sin since Jesus died.

Originally posted by Alliance
Didn't you konw? There has been no sin since Jesus died.

Thats becuase Jesus didn't die. He still lives.

Originally posted by Legion_of_Maul
he is the son of God, and he is God at the same time, he had to die to be a Perfect sacrifice, and rid the world of sin, so all we have to do is Ask Jesus into our hearts, otherwise Christians would be the Exact same as Jews.

They are the same. Both are people searching for truth and love, just in different ways.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It is mytholigy... It all depends on how you look at it.

✅. Misspelled (😛), but ✅. Jesus certainly wasn't the first son of god (mythologically speaking), and seemed to inherit quite a few other aspects of his story from his predecessors. It doesn't mean you should or shouldn't believe in him (far be it from me to make such distinctions), but it all depends on how you view it.

Being a Christian and a Catholic... I completely agree with you Regret. I have no idea about my religion. I wouldn't refer you to John because that's just as confusing as your question. Basically, I just have to believe... and it is hard when I don't understand a whole lot of it... But essentially, it's really not meant to be understood. I have about half a million questions that I want answered that simlpy... can't be. And I'm probably not experienced enough in my religion to make sense out of much.

But if you have questions, and they can't be answerd, and you're not satisfied with it...

what are you really getting out of relgion? could it be possible that there is something better out there for you?