A few questions about Jesus Christ

Originally posted by Regret
God existed prior to the advent of Jesus Christ
God never claimed the name Jesus Christ prior to the Mortal existence of Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ is the physical form of God taken during that mortal period

So, if at some point in time God is not in physical form, is there an existing Jesus Christ at that point in time, or is there only God the Father? Or is it just like me using Regret and not my real name?

Also, is God the Father the Son of God the Father, and how does this work?

Are you asking how this is explained in formal Christian theology? Or are you trying to understand how God is both One and Trinity at the same time? If the latter, may I share what works for me: the Dream Metaphor.

You're dreaming. Everything in your dream is some manifestation of your psyche: objects, scenery, people and of course, your "dreamself" (for lack of a better term). You--as Dreamer--are both the immanent and transcendent Creator of everything in this dream, though the people in it, and your dreamself, don't realize this. No one knows that it's all a dream.

Enter: dream enlightenment, an "awakening" to the fact that you are, at that very moment, dreaming. This is called lucid dreaming.

Your dreamself now knows its true self: a facet of the immanent and transcendent Dreamer. In fact, your lucid dreamself is now conscious of the fact that, as stated above, everything in your Dream is some facet of the Dreamer.

One (Dreamer) and Many (manifestations, including the lucid dreamself), simultaneously.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then why is there so many different ways of interpreting the bible? If the bible was the fact it would only have one interpretation.

You stated the bible was a mythology Shakyamunison. Let me offer you a challenge.

How many days, months or years do you need to prove this?

Just ask and it will be granted to you. With all the information available to you today at your fingertips, you have as long as you need to prove it is a mythology. How much time would you like for your research?

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
You stated the bible was a mythology Shakyamunison. Let me offer you a challenge.

How many days, months or years do you need to prove this?

Just ask and it will be granted to you. With all the information available to you today at your fingertips, you have as long as you need to prove it is a mythology. How much time would you like for your research?

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/glossary/bldef-mythology.htm

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then why is there so many different ways of interpreting the bible? If the bible was the fact it would only have one interpretation.

My response to this would be incorrect translations from the original statement. Either initial writings were improperly translated, or perhaps just improperly interpreted in an attempt to allow someone to understand more easily. As Mormons we typically contend that this is the case. Christianity typically gets upset by this, stating that it couldn't be translated incorrectly due to the intervention of the holy spirit that directed translation. The problem with this is that these same people do not all agree on points in the Bible. The common statement at this point is that those that disagree with them do not have the holy spirit.

Originally posted by Mindship
Are you asking how this is explained in formal Christian theology? Yes
Or are you trying to understand how God is both One and Trinity at the same time?
Yes, from the perspective of formal Christian theology
If the latter, may I share what works for me: the Dream Metaphor.

I do not agree with the Dream Metaphor in this sense. If the metaphor basically make myself a portion of a unreal experience I do not agree with the metaphor. Is this a Christian perspective on the Trinity? Or just your opinion as to a possibility?

Originally posted by Templares
God as the Father, God as the Son, and God as the Holy Spirit are about as real as Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades.

As a devout worshipper of the goddess Lindsay Lohan, i consider all Christians as pagans and thus are doomed to spend eternity quilting in a trailer with no shower or bathroom breaks.

You're a weird dude. Even if I agreed with your ridiculous idea of Christians, I would still think you were weird.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/glossary/bldef-mythology.htm

I looked at the web site. My challenge still stands. 😎

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
I looked at the web site. My challenge still stands. 😎

Mythology-
Def. The body of sacred stories of a particular culture; the study and interpretation of such sacred stories.

It seems Shaky is correct by this definition. Even if the Bible is spiritual fact it still meets the criteria.

Originally posted by Regret
Mythology-
Def. The body of sacred stories of a particular culture; the study and interpretation of such sacred stories.

It seems Shaky is correct by this definition. Even if the Bible is spiritual fact it still meets the criteria.

Thank you. 😄

Hey i got another meaning too

my·thol·o·gies
A body or collection of myths belonging to a people and addressing their origin, history, deities, ancestors, and heroes.

Origin: The story of creation in Genesis

History: The exodus from Egypt, Settling in Canaan, the Babylonian captivity, yadda, yadda

Deities: YHWH

Ancestors: Noah, . . . , Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, . . . . ad nauseum

Heroes: Moses, The Judges

The Bible is a very popular mythological book.

myth
NOUN:

1) A traditional, typically ancient story dealing with supernatural beings, ancestors, or heroes that serves as a fundamental type in the worldview of a people, as by explaining aspects of the natural world or delineating the psychology, customs, or ideals of society: the myth of Eros and Psyche; a creation myth.
2) Such stories considered as a group: the realm of myth.
3) A popular belief or story that has become associated with a person, institution, or occurrence, especially one considered to illustrate a cultural ideal: a star whose fame turned her into a myth; the pioneer myth of suburbia.
4) A fiction or half-truth, especially one that forms part of an ideology.
5) A fictitious story, person, or thing: "German artillery superiority on the Western Front was a myth" (Leon Wolff).

It only has to fit one definition to fit the term.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Thank you. 😄

You're Welcome 😄

Originally posted by Regret
I do not agree with the Dream Metaphor in this sense. If the metaphor basically make myself a portion of a unreal experience I do not agree with the metaphor. Is this a Christian perspective on the Trinity? Or just your opinion as to a possibility?

I'm not sure what you mean by "unreal." If you are saying the dream is unreal, as compared to the physical world, I would disagree. A dream is real in that it exists, though obviously it's not real in the same fashion as the material world.

If you mean unreal in that you don't believe in "God," an Infinite Consciousness, you don't believe that Consciousness as Such is the Ultimate Ground of being--in other words, you're a reductionist or epiphenomenalist--hey, what can I say? We are simply disagreeing then in our basic philosophies, though I do understand what you are saying from your POV.

(BTW, as much as I would like to take credit for the Dream Metaphor, it is in fact an ancient metaphor, common among mystical/esoteric schools of thought, especially Eastern.)

Originally posted by Blanca
You're a weird dude. Even if I agreed with your ridiculous idea of Christians, I would still think you were weird.

Originally posted by Regret
Mythology-
Def. The body of sacred stories of a particular culture; the study and interpretation of such sacred stories.

It seems Shaky is correct by this definition. Even if the Bible is spiritual fact it still meets the criteria.

Fair enough, but not worthy of in depth discussion would you say?

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Fair enough, but not worthy of in depth discussion would you say?

Agreed 🙂

Originally posted by Mindship
I'm not sure what you mean by "unreal." If you are saying the dream is unreal, as compared to the physical world, I would disagree. A dream is real in that it exists, though obviously it's not real in the same fashion as the material world.

If you mean unreal in that you don't believe in "God," an Infinite Consciousness, you don't believe that Consciousness as Such is the Ultimate Ground of being--in other words, you're a reductionist or epiphenomenalist--hey, what can I say? We are simply disagreeing then in our basic philosophies, though I do understand what you are saying from your POV.

(BTW, as much as I would like to take credit for the Dream Metaphor, it is in fact an ancient metaphor, common among mystical/esoteric schools of thought, especially Eastern.)

By unreal, only existing due to the dream. A dream world, while in a sense real, does not allow for entirely autonomous activity. I believe man behaves in a autonomous manner, dreams while seemingly autonomous are not truly autonomous.

It probably is just a basic philosophical difference.

Originally posted by Regret
By unreal, only existing due to the dream. A dream world, while in a sense real, does not allow for entirely autonomous activity. I believe man behaves in a autonomous manner, dreams while seemingly autonomous are not truly autonomous.

It probably is just a basic philosophical difference.

Originally posted by Mindship
Both my professional and lucid-dreaming experiences lead me to suspect quite a few parallels between dreaming consciousness and waking consciousness. Thus I don't agree that we are completely autonomous while awake.

Now this is interesting, I agree to a point, but not in respect to the topic we are discussing at present 😉 Would maybe make a decent topic of discussion in the philosophy forum 😉

Originally posted by Mindship
This I would agree with.

Originally posted by Regret
Now this is interesting, I agree to a point, but not in respect to the topic we are discussing at present 😉 Would maybe make a decent topic of discussion in the philosophy forum 😉

Originally posted by Alliance
yup, you cant say phtons arent pretty now.

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
You stated the bible was a mythology Shakyamunison. Let me offer you a challenge.

How many days, months or years do you need to prove this?

Just ask and it will be granted to you. With all the information available to you today at your fingertips, you have as long as you need to prove it is a mythology. How much time would you like for your research?

😆 Thanks shakya for doing that. A+ on your project.