Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Originally posted by superkronick92
Superman's faster than the speed of thought.So the pico-second the fight starts, before Goku has time to think about an attack ot IT, supes will have ripped goku's head off or have chucked him into space.

you DO know that even in one MICRO second. light only travels the length of your computer monitor dont you. a pico second is one THOUSANDTH of a nano second. so even light can only travel the length of one thousandth of your monitor's height. and yet superman will have ripped goku's head off in that time from the opposite end of a field??????? dont make me laugh. superman is faster than HUMAN thought. hes NOT faster than light and depends on LIGHT to give him information enough to PROCESS AND PERCIEVE his surrounding and THEN react.

superman is NOT faster than light, he is NOT strong enough to survive galaxy destroying explosions, he can NOT go faster than physical flash, he can NOT resist mystical energy/absorb mystical energy, he can NOT travel faster than instantaneous teleportation, he can NOT destroy anything larger than an average sized planet and he can NOT defeat a mastered super sayin 1 character. he can at best put up a great fight against a good super sayin one. he dies against cell etc.

If he can't go faster than Flash, then why has he done it before? And Supes is faster than the speed of light, get over yourself.

Btw, show me scans proving that DBZ characters can survive planet destroying blasts, juggle planets, move faster than the speed of light, run faster than the human eye can see, etc. AGAIN, GOKU STRUGGLED WITH LIFTING 40 TON WEIGHTS IN HIS BASE FORM AND HAD TO TURN SUPER SAIYAN TO PREVENT HIMSELF FROM PLUMMETING DOWN TO KING KAI'S PLANET.

Originally posted by Firelord Ozai
Btw, show me scans proving that DBZ characters can survive planet destroying blasts, juggle planets, move faster than the speed of light, run faster than the human eye can see, etc. AGAIN, GOKU STRUGGLED WITH LIFTING 40 TON WEIGHTS IN HIS BASE FORM AND HAD TO TURN SUPER SAIYAN TO PREVENT HIMSELF FROM PLUMMETING DOWN TO KING KAI'S PLANET.

on the same note superman was punched by batman and fell backwards. he didnt dodge it, and he felt it. impossible isnt it. but it happened. not to mention batman tripping flash with a leg. they are called low end showings and they are there to keep the story interesting and variant.

about dbz characters surviving planet destroying blasts. vegeta sent a planet destroying blast{normal non super sayin vegeta} towards frieza, and he kicked it back into space with a war cry. it exploded and the entire surface of namek was leveled by showckwaves. the blast itself was seen to be larger than namek itself. later goku sent a spirit bomb which could easily dstroiy namek towards frieza and he survived. the bomb didnt destroy namek because of goku's mental control. in itself it was over 50 miles wide.

later on, back on earth, frieza created an energy ball over 20 times larger than the one which DESTROYED namek{just so theres no confusion} and trunks{an inferior super sayin} stopped and held it up with a single hand and detonated it in a controlled way as to not destroiy earth. he was standing at ground zero and didnt have a scratch on him.

the androids TOYED with all the new super sayins and perfect cell with the combined power of all the androids/frieza/goku/vegeta/gohan/piccalo/and others could easily have destroiyed the entire solar system with his single attack{now in a desperate bid to depower dragon ball you can bawl all you want about that not being true but then youyd have to be a fool not to see that it was} and newly super sayin 2 gohan{with no expirience} TOYED with him.

as far as speed goes, flying from one pole to another in an insrtant is proof of speed. so is deflecting thousands of attacks per second with a single palm. also even with ki, piccalo/gohan could not see or sense frieza, needless to say every1 is a lot faster now{and frieza was MILES away in the atmosphere, which would make him all the easier to see as angular velocity decreases with distance} i.t on the ohter hand is teleportation and faster than anything else.

your the one who needs to get over himself and see that PIS=/= fatser than lightspeed travel. superman has NEVER beaten flash in the physical world in speed. him going fatser than lightspeed is plot device, just like him absorbing the megido warhead.

Actually faster than light is possible via manipulating gravity fields. Technically Supes had to go FTL (or create gravity anomaly ariound himself so he seemed to be moving FTL to the world around him) to escape black holes or that timestop imitating devices.
Gravity anomalies causing things go on FTL speeds are possible. But that doesn't convert into actual combat speed- in fact Superman just manipulates gravity fields around himself there, he just seems moving on FTL speeds to the world around him. Flash is the only DC character so far who showed FTL combat speed. So far Supes has been only shown to fly in straight line on FTL speeds.

Also chi in general is not mystical energy, but a spiritual one.

Leonheartmm, you tend to overrate characters' combat speed greatly sometimes. I think it were you who sprouted the lie about Dante and Vergil fighting on lightspeed in their first encounter in DMC3 (while Dante's combat speed in human form even with Alastor and Quickheart speed upgrades is no more than Max 10-11, the only form where he canmove on subluminal speeds is his high demonic form (Sparda form)) . Moving faster than human perception is not directly equal to moving at subluminal speeds.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
Okay Mr. Moderator.

It's a shame that the MODERATOR had to make a rule to HELP Superman defenders yet they couldn't do it themselves with scans or quotes.👇

Thank you Captain REX. 🙂

Sorry but if you don't think a blast with the capability of a millions nukes can destroy a planet then its basically worthless discussing with you 😬

A blast with the capability of million nukes is probalby equal or slightly less in the force to great volcanic eruption back in paleozoic era which almost completely destroyed life on the Earth (only a little more than 3% of all earth species survived that, and the extinction of dinosaurs looked pathetic compared to that).
If such energy is directed to the one spot...it will most probably cause chain reaction destroying and messing planet's crust. The planet might survive as a "stone in space", but it will lose everything live on its surface, as well as water supply. The content of its atmosphere would be totally changed It still might not be blasted into pieces but that depends on the direction of the blast.

Originally posted by Firelord Ozai
Btw, show me scans proving that DBZ characters can survive planet destroying blasts, juggle planets, move faster than the speed of light, run faster than the human eye can see, etc. AGAIN, GOKU STRUGGLED WITH LIFTING 40 TON WEIGHTS IN HIS BASE FORM AND HAD TO TURN SUPER SAIYAN TO PREVENT HIMSELF FROM PLUMMETING DOWN TO KING KAI'S PLANET.

Lifting strength does not exactly equal to the force of hits, but that doesn't save Goku's ass.

And moving faster than human perception isn't that great of a feat.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Actually faster than light is possible via manipulating gravity fields. Technically Supes had to go FTL (or create gravity anomaly ariound himself so he seemed to be moving FTL to the world around him) to escape black holes or that timestop imitating devices.
Gravity anomalies causing things go on FTL speeds are possible. But that doesn't convert into actual combat speed- in fact Superman just manipulates gravity fields around himself there, he just seems moving on FTL speeds to the world around him. Flash is the only DC character so far who showed FTL combat speed. So far Supes has been only shown to fly in straight line on FTL speeds.

Also chi in general is not mystical energy, but a spiritual one.

Leonheartmm, you tend to overrate characters' combat speed greatly sometimes. I think it were you who sprouted the lie about Dante and Vergil fighting on lightspeed in their first encounter in DMC3 (while Dante's combat speed in human form even with Alastor and Quickheart speed upgrades is no more than Max 10-11, the only form where he canmove on subluminal speeds is his high demonic form (Sparda form)) . Moving faster than human perception is not directly equal to moving at subluminal speeds.

if i remember correctly, i gave positive evidence for that. like dante easily riding a rocket from a rocket launcher on his feat, moving through frozen time and creating dimensional/time warps, running fast enough to form plasma around himself in air, teleporting, splitting bullets in half, moving faster than shadows fall {lightspeed}, moving faster than lightening, and even pre devil trigger era; trading hundreds of slashes in the time it took a single raindrop to fall the height of dante's leg. he has TONS more feats. i wasnt lying at all. people unknowingly handicap him, he fights universe/multiverse destroying beings.

He never moved at speed on light when he was in human form. Stopping time around himself is different thing... his pre-DT speed was equal to pre-isotope E Quicksilver...his combat speed with Alastor and Quickheart upgrades is greater that Thor's combat speed (which is stated to be "speed of lightning"😉. And moving faster than shadow teleportation is quite easily for one who can teleport himself.
He never moved on lightspeed in said fight with Vergil, that's where you lied to people. Though he's most probably able to move on subluminal speeds while in high demonic form (Sparda\Super Sparda form) but he never demonstrated such a speed in human form.
Nowadays Dante is the strongest demon in his univerce, that's fact...becoming practically immune to all demonic magic. But he's at level of 2d age Spawn at his best.

Though that has nothing to do with that thread. Almost nothing...except Dante kills Goku with ease and it would be much more harder for him to perform that on motivated Superman.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel

And as for speed...
http://www.devils-lair.org/cutscenes/dmc3/low/22%20-%20M8%20-%20Leviathan.avi
There's famous scene with Dante chasing and effortlessly catching the sword which flies on METEOR speed which is much more impressive that any blur. Won't you agree?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_1kETIVweo
And now add this. Alastor grants its wielder the ability of lightning speed, speeding already incredible fast Dante to the point that those shards appear to be in slo-mo for him when he performs that combo. Unlike Qicksilver of Chronoheart, that's not timestop- Dante just moves THAT fast.

So your only lie was that you confuced "faster than human perception" speed in fight with Vergil with light speed. Dante has normal Thor's level combat speed at least ("as fast as lightning", same definition) and can move as fast as classic Quicksilver- while in his HUMAN form. But not counting combat teleportation, he never moves on light speeds in human form.
But your another lie was the one than he can take Thanos with IG or even Living Tribunal.

Too many lies for me, darling.

Why did you quote yourself?

And Batman usually wears a Green Kryptonite ring whenever he fights Superman. None of your points are valid leonhartmm.

Leonheartmm tends to give wrong interpretation of many things, that's his fault.

Just to highlight some points. So quotation form other thread seemed better than just copy-and-paste.

Superman's resistance to things like magic or kryptonite is also motivation-related. That's why I would advise nobody to mess with truly motivated Supes.

And Supes won't even need to use T-Vo in that fight. People tend to look at T-Vo as at instant win power and forget that Superman has to establish mental contact with his "future victim" to do that (AFAIR)...which is not easily sometimes.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
on the same note superman was punched by batman and fell backwards. he didnt dodge it, and he felt it. impossible isnt it. but it happened. not to mention batman tripping flash with a leg. they are called low end showings and they are there to keep the story interesting and variant.

about dbz characters surviving planet destroying blasts. vegeta sent a planet destroying blast{normal non super sayin vegeta} towards frieza, and he kicked it back into space with a war cry. it exploded and the entire surface of namek was leveled by showckwaves. the blast itself was seen to be larger than namek itself. later goku sent a spirit bomb which could easily dstroiy namek towards frieza and he survived. the bomb didnt destroy namek because of goku's mental control. in itself it was over 50 miles wide.

later on, back on earth, frieza created an energy ball over 20 times larger than the one which DESTROYED namek{just so theres no confusion} and trunks{an inferior super sayin} stopped and held it up with a single hand and detonated it in a controlled way as to not destroiy earth. he was standing at ground zero and didnt have a scratch on him.

the androids TOYED with all the new super sayins and perfect cell with the combined power of all the androids/frieza/goku/vegeta/gohan/piccalo/and others could easily have destroiyed the entire solar system with his single attack{now in a desperate bid to depower dragon ball you can bawl all you want about that not being true but then youyd have to be a fool not to see that it was} and newly super sayin 2 gohan{with no expirience} TOYED with him.

as far as speed goes, flying from one pole to another in an insrtant is proof of speed. so is deflecting thousands of attacks per second with a single palm. also even with ki, piccalo/gohan could not see or sense frieza, needless to say every1 is a lot faster now{and frieza was MILES away in the atmosphere, which would make him all the easier to see as angular velocity decreases with distance} i.t on the ohter hand is teleportation and faster than anything else.

your the one who needs to get over himself and see that PIS=/= fatser than lightspeed travel. superman has NEVER beaten flash in the physical world in speed. him going fatser than lightspeed is plot device, just like him absorbing the megido warhead.

I'd really like to see where Batman tripped Flash. Also when did Batman hit Superman and knock him back? He hit Superman in Hush but he also admitted Superman was holding back, fighting mind control, and could have just speedblitzed him. He also broke his hand on Superman while bypassing Supes bio-aura because of the kryptonite ring he wore.

Freeza's Namek destroying blast disrupted the core. It never shows Freeza can outright destroy a planet. If Freeza can't Vegeta during the Freeza saga isn't. There's less evidence to prove that Vegeta can outright destroy a planet than there is that the blasts drill and disrupt the core to destroy it. Freeza's 20 times more powerful attack doesn't mean it's planet destroying either because no matter how much stronger it was it was nothing to Buu's power and he was the first to ever outright destroy one.

When does it say Gokou controlled the output of his Spirit Bomb?

Also didn't Cell say he could destroy the solar system after he came back with the ssj2 aura? Also Gohan's power beat his and the solar system is just fine even though the Kamehameha went out into space. It was an idle threat on Cell's part.

The Z fighters have never shown the ability to get places anywhere near as fast as Superman or Flash could. And yes IT is teleporting. It's not going to help him hit somebody faster than he is though.

🙄 So everytime Superman has went as fast or faster than light speed is now a plot device and PIS?

Originally posted by Kento
🙄 So everytime Superman has went as fast or faster than light speed is now a plot device and PIS?

Superman's ability to survive in black holes or going FTL has pretty much simple explanation- he manipulates gravity to warp space around himself.
That's the only way one can possibly move on FTL speed without excuses like Speed Force. And that gives him only FTL travelling speed...not combat speed. But Superman is no slouch in terms of combat speed either.

By the way, I'd love to see Superman vs a desent high-level gravity manipulator. That's going to be one hell of a fight.

Originally posted by Rorschach
Dessad theorizes that Superman bends space and time in order to fly

Phenomenol is being dealt with outside of this thread.

Please return to the topic. Thank you.

By the way, I'd love to see Superman vs a desent high-level gravity manipulator. That's going to be one hell of a fight.

Action Comics 849. Superman fights a superhero called Redemption, who knocks him out of the air by manipulating gravity around him. He looses when he decides to fight Superman in close combat (which isn't as stupid as it sounds, he had high level strength and durabilty). Superman used his speed to beat him.