Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

DBZ fanboys non of us are that or else we would say that it's overkill for goku to fight supes and that the fight would be over in a fraction of a second. that's crazy talk

I mean they use low end feats to disprove a fact in the show and manga.

I'm sorry but superman would KILL goku

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exactly supes would lose to just goku but to fave all the chars and forms of them fused is insane overkill

Originally posted by jasofisc
I mean they use low end feats to disprove a fact in the show and manga.

No... your side says that everyone can move at SoL, yet your side can't give any examples. When we then point out that they've never moved even close to SoL and give general examples, we're all of a sudden using low-end feats? If they can move at SoL, why don't you give an example, like we've been asking for for half of this discussion?

(BTW, I thought it was agreed that: Superman > Goku, Superman < DBZ Characters?)

they have moved at the speed of light proven by gotanx and instant transmission

Originally posted by chickenlover98
they have moved at the speed of light proven by gotanx and instant transmission

1. Gotenks didn't move at the SoL.
-The Earth was rotating as he circled it, meaning that time may have been sped up to show him
-It shows him circling the Earth nine times. If he circled it 36 times, then part of it may not have been shown.
-Even if it was 36 times within the scene shown, he still wasn't moving at SoL.

2. Goku is one of the only fighters to know Instant Transmission, and it's more teleportation than speed, meaning it wouldn't be very useful. Reintegrating takes time that Superman could easily take advantage of (Superman could just remain in hypertime and wait for Goku to slowly reappear). Also, in movie 6, when it shows Goku during IT, it appears that he is out of phase with the rest of the universe, meaning that he probably wouldn't be able to attack.

ok wrong goku has never needed to fight in IT except in return of cooler plus as he trains he gets stronger and faster. you never really see the full extent of his strength as he is worried about others safety.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
ok wrong goku has never needed to fight in IT except in return of cooler plus as he trains he gets stronger and faster. you never really see the full extent of his strength as he is worried about others safety.

1. Because fighting in IT is noncannon (but can obviously still be used in this debate)
2. Then that means that the strength and speed that you keep talking about are assumed, as it is never shown or stated.

of course there are always possibilities to chars powers. u almost never see the extent of what they can do. for this particular debate it works

Originally posted by chickenlover98
of course there are always possibilities to chars powers. u almost never see the extent of what they can do. for this particular debate it works

Seeing as what you said about Goku is contradicted by everything shown in the series, it doesn't work.

how so

he has held back alot seeing as when he fought majin vegeta he held back super saiyan 3

Originally posted by chickenlover98
he has held back alot seeing as when he fought majin vegeta he held back super saiyan 3

Because it drained his life force...

Originally posted by chickenlover98
how so

Why hold back when it's a life-or-death situation? When someone's in trouble and needs help immediately, why take the entire episode to get to the person in need if travel was instant?

because to create a more dramatic scene they dragged out the time. great example is frieza saga. to 4 episodes to complete 5 min

Originally posted by chickenlover98
because to create a more dramatic scene they dragged out the time. great example is frieza saga. to 4 episodes to complete 5 min

Actuly it took 10 episodes for namek to finaly explode.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
because to create a more dramatic scene they dragged out the time. great example is frieza saga. to 4 episodes to complete 5 min

1. It was a plothole.
2. Frieza's concept of five minutes may be longer
3. It doesn't matter if it's to make it dramatic; if they can fly at the SoL, why are the never shown doing so?

Originally posted by chickenlover98
because to create a more dramatic scene they dragged out the time. great example is frieza saga. to 4 episodes to complete 5 min

that could also be a GREAT example of them slowing down the events "bullet time" style as I had sugggested earlier...