Originally posted by dvampire
Superman wins, pretty easily too. Anyone who still thinks Goku or any other DBZ character can beat him is just wishful thinking.
Before the childish name calling begins i did not say goku wins...🙄
Originally posted by Skeets
Think about this karate Kid beats on daxamites who are pretty much equal to kryptonians.Why wouldn't Goku's fighting skill give him an edge against Supes?Before the childish name calling begins i did not say goku wins...🙄
Karate Kid is the best MAs in the universe, he has hidden styles not even know by others.
Goku's fighting skills won't give him the edge because Supes also knows MAs and has been fighting pretty much all his life aswell (he's no slouch when it comes to combat).
oh, and I don't care who you think would win, but I still think Supes would win IMO. 🙂
Originally posted by stunna1773
cant anyone come up with new reasons why superman or goku are better i always here the same stuff
My reasons for why I think Supes wins, came from reading Supes books and looking at this thread.
Originally posted by dvampire
My reasons for why I think Supes wins, came from reading Supes books and looking at this thread.
Thank you for your sources, this will be alot more help to see who is the victor of this great debate. Now I need some sources for why Goku would be better than Superman.
Originally posted by dvampire
Karate Kid is the best MAs in the universe, he has hidden styles not even know by others.Goku's fighting skills won't give him the edge because Supes also knows MAs and has been fighting pretty much all his life aswell (he's no slouch when it comes to combat).
oh, and I don't care who you think would win, but I still think Supes would win IMO. 🙂
their is no possible why to convince superman fanboys that superman can be beat in any cercumstance what so ever. dispite these people blowing up worlds and moving faster then light even when they were not all that powerfull. don't worry though superman fanboy will use all the low points of DBGT and all the high PIS feats of superman so don't bother everyone else it can't be done. no way no how.
The Forms of Goku
Oozaru
This form was a powerful but uncontrollable state common to all Saiyans where the user transforms into a large, ape-like creature, commonly referred to as a were-ape. As a child, Goku was able to use this form, growing to a size that rivalled small buildings. His eyes turned red and his body became coated in a thick, brown fur. In this form, Goku became an incredible force to be reckoned with but has no control over his actions at all, his mind overcome with a primal rage. This form was never used again by Goku after Dragonball due to his tail being removed.
Super Saiyan
Goku was the first Saiyan in the series to achieve this transformation during his fight with Frieza. After Frieza murdered Kuririn, seriously hurt Piccolo, and with his son Gohan in the path of danger, Goku was overcome with rage and the motivation to stop Frieza once and for all, transforming into the Super Saiyan state. This form granted him a large increase in speed, strength and energy.
In this transformation, his hair changes from black to blonde and stands on its ends. When surrounded by an aura it appears to have a more golden look. His eyes change from black to a blue-green as well and he gains more muscle in this form.
Ascended Super Saiyan
Goku achieved this form after training in the Room of Spirit and Time upon Kami's Tower by continuously increasing his power, forcing his body to grow to contain the energy. Though it granted him a huge power increase, he decided against ever using it in battle, instead preferring to perfect his Super Saiyan 1 transformation.
Goku's hair appears to slightly sharpen in this form, but the most significant change in this form is his increase in muscle mass.
Ultra Super Saiyan
Goku achieved this form inside the Room of Spirit and Time while training with Son Gohan. Further increasing his energy, he still appeared to be a Super Saiyan but his muscle mass was greatly over-developed. He decided against using such a form, because such a power increase with an offset of a decrease in speed would have indicated that it would be impossible to defeat Perfect Cell. Therefore, Goku decided to use a different route in achieving the power he needed to combat Perfect Cell.
Super Saiyan, Full-Power
Goku learned to perfect the Super Saiyan form with Gohan, so that he could remain in Super Saiyan form indefinitely, and without consuming energy, or straining himself. He could also focus more power into his body and attacks in this state, without burning himself out, because he had adjusted to the rigours of the Super Saiyan form.
Super Saiyan 2
Goku first revealed this ability during his battle against Majin Vegeta in the Buu Saga. Though it is never seen where Goku learns this form, it can be assumed he unlocked this transformation while in the afterlife. The form granted Goku further enhancements in speed and strength, though physically he changed very little from the Super Saiyan 1 form.
In the Super Saiyan 2 form, his hair is much more defined to create more individual spikes. Strands become sharper in appearance and three strands of hair instead of five now cover his face. When utilising power in this form, Goku's body would become surrounded in a golden aura of energy and sparks of electricity would randomly spark across his body.
Super Saiyan 3
This was the final transformation Goku achieved by the end of DBZ and Goku was the only character to ever use the form without having fused with another character first. He displayed this form first during the Buu Saga against Majin Buu and admits that he achieved it while training in the afterlife. The form was the strongest transformation available in the DBZ universe but consumed large amounts of Gokus energy, reducing his time on the Earth substantially. Again, the form augmented Goku's current strength, speed and energy levels but to a higher degree than those provided by Super Saiyan 1 or Super Saiyan 2.
In this state, his hair strands are clearly defined and his hair increases in length, growing down to his waist, his eyebrows disappear, and his face is more lean, giving him a more serious look. Goku's irises turn green but his pupils remain black.
Golden Oozaru
Goku achieved this transformation in DBGT after being transformed into a much younger version of himself and having his Saiyan tail restored to his body. This state allowed him to transform into a rampaging, mindless, Super Sayain Oozaru with golden fur instead of brown/black. This body allows him to contain greater levels of power than ever before. The raw, animal rage combined with the increase in raw strength made him a terrible force of destruction. When his granddaughter Pan managed to calm the raging Goku, the Oozaru power was condensed and focused allowing him to transform into the Super Saiyan 4 state.
Super Saiyan 4
Goku achieved this state during his battle with Bebi Vegeta in DBGT. After being calmed down in the Golden Oozaru state, his mind was allowed to focus, and he was able to control his power and transform into a Super Saiyan 4, shrinking from the Oozaru form down to his regular humanoid dimensions; but he looked a great deal more different than any previous transformation before. For Goku, this form gives him black hair which extend down a little of his back and hang over his shoulder close to his neck, gold eyes and scarlet/cerise colored fur which covers his entire body except for hands, face, chest and assumedly feet. This appearance is unique to him for this transformation.
Originally posted by Skeets
Last I checked Goku was the best fighter in the whole dBZ universe and has better overall stats then kK.I don't see why Goku couldn't do to Supes what kK's done to superboy and MON-El.
Supes is a good fighter but hardly comparable to Goku or any real Martial artist.
Yet Goku struggles to beat people who have no MAs trainning at all. Vegeta and Buu both have no MAs trainning, but they was able to fight on par with Goku. And Goku isn't the best MAs in his universe. Supes is knows MAs, has 1,000 of years of battle experince and is consistently fighting everyday. 🙂
Originally posted by jasofisc
their is no possible why to convince superman fanboys that superman can be beat in any cercumstance what so ever. dispite these people blowing up worlds and moving faster then light even when they were not all that powerfull. don't worry though superman fanboy will use all the low points of DBGT and all the high PIS feats of superman so don't bother everyone else it can't be done. no way no how.
Or it could be that DBZ/GT fanboys just can't stand that Superman can beat them. Just beacuse Supes feats far exceeds Goku's doesn't make them PIS. 🙂
Re: The Forms of Goku
Originally posted by stunna1773
Oozaru
This form was a powerful but uncontrollable state common to all Saiyans where the user transforms into a large, ape-like creature, commonly referred to as a were-ape. As a child, Goku was able to use this form, growing to a size that rivalled small buildings. His eyes turned red and his body became coated in a thick, brown fur. In this form, Goku became an incredible force to be reckoned with but has no control over his actions at all, his mind overcome with a primal rage. This form was never used again by Goku after Dragonball due to his tail being removed.Super Saiyan
Goku was the first Saiyan in the series to achieve this transformation during his fight with Frieza. After Frieza murdered Kuririn, seriously hurt Piccolo, and with his son Gohan in the path of danger, Goku was overcome with rage and the motivation to stop Frieza once and for all, transforming into the Super Saiyan state. This form granted him a large increase in speed, strength and energy.In this transformation, his hair changes from black to blonde and stands on its ends. When surrounded by an aura it appears to have a more golden look. His eyes change from black to a blue-green as well and he gains more muscle in this form.
Ascended Super Saiyan
Goku achieved this form after training in the Room of Spirit and Time upon Kami's Tower by continuously increasing his power, forcing his body to grow to contain the energy. Though it granted him a huge power increase, he decided against ever using it in battle, instead preferring to perfect his Super Saiyan 1 transformation.Goku's hair appears to slightly sharpen in this form, but the most significant change in this form is his increase in muscle mass.
Ultra Super Saiyan
Goku achieved this form inside the Room of Spirit and Time while training with Son Gohan. Further increasing his energy, he still appeared to be a Super Saiyan but his muscle mass was greatly over-developed. He decided against using such a form, because such a power increase with an offset of a decrease in speed would have indicated that it would be impossible to defeat Perfect Cell. Therefore, Goku decided to use a different route in achieving the power he needed to combat Perfect Cell.Super Saiyan, Full-Power
Goku learned to perfect the Super Saiyan form with Gohan, so that he could remain in Super Saiyan form indefinitely, and without consuming energy, or straining himself. He could also focus more power into his body and attacks in this state, without burning himself out, because he had adjusted to the rigours of the Super Saiyan form.Super Saiyan 2
Goku first revealed this ability during his battle against Majin Vegeta in the Buu Saga. Though it is never seen where Goku learns this form, it can be assumed he unlocked this transformation while in the afterlife. The form granted Goku further enhancements in speed and strength, though physically he changed very little from the Super Saiyan 1 form.In the Super Saiyan 2 form, his hair is much more defined to create more individual spikes. Strands become sharper in appearance and three strands of hair instead of five now cover his face. When utilising power in this form, Goku's body would become surrounded in a golden aura of energy and sparks of electricity would randomly spark across his body.
Super Saiyan 3
This was the final transformation Goku achieved by the end of DBZ and Goku was the only character to ever use the form without having fused with another character first. He displayed this form first during the Buu Saga against Majin Buu and admits that he achieved it while training in the afterlife. The form was the strongest transformation available in the DBZ universe but consumed large amounts of Gokus energy, reducing his time on the Earth substantially. Again, the form augmented Goku's current strength, speed and energy levels but to a higher degree than those provided by Super Saiyan 1 or Super Saiyan 2.In this state, his hair strands are clearly defined and his hair increases in length, growing down to his waist, his eyebrows disappear, and his face is more lean, giving him a more serious look. Goku's irises turn green but his pupils remain black.
Golden Oozaru
Goku achieved this transformation in DBGT after being transformed into a much younger version of himself and having his Saiyan tail restored to his body. This state allowed him to transform into a rampaging, mindless, Super Sayain Oozaru with golden fur instead of brown/black. This body allows him to contain greater levels of power than ever before. The raw, animal rage combined with the increase in raw strength made him a terrible force of destruction. When his granddaughter Pan managed to calm the raging Goku, the Oozaru power was condensed and focused allowing him to transform into the Super Saiyan 4 state.Super Saiyan 4
Goku achieved this state during his battle with Bebi Vegeta in DBGT. After being calmed down in the Golden Oozaru state, his mind was allowed to focus, and he was able to control his power and transform into a Super Saiyan 4, shrinking from the Oozaru form down to his regular humanoid dimensions; but he looked a great deal more different than any previous transformation before. For Goku, this form gives him black hair which extend down a little of his back and hang over his shoulder close to his neck, gold eyes and scarlet/cerise colored fur which covers his entire body except for hands, face, chest and assumedly feet. This appearance is unique to him for this transformation.
I think most of everybody here (including my self) knows everything there is to know about DB to GT, this post wasn't need, unless you have feats that are on par with Supes.
Techniques and special abilities
Main article: List of Dragon Ball special abilities
Bukujutsu
This is the ability to fly using one's ki. Goku simply controls his energy and pushes out from underneath him allowing him to fly. The name 'Bukujutsu' means 'Air Dance'.
Energy Barrier
With this technique Goku can create a shield around himself which can withstand many attacks as long as he has enough ki to supply.
Fusion Dance
Main article: Fusion (Dragon Ball)
A character can temporarily fuse with someone else provided that they also know the fusion dance and are within the same power range. The effects last for about half an hour and require a resting period of one hour before it can be done again.
In Canon, Goku never performs this technique, he only teaches it to Trunks and Goten. In Movie 12 and in DBGT (which is outside canon) he fuses with Vegeta to create Gogeta.
Genki Dama
Main article: Genki Dama
Perhaps Goku's most powerful attack, the Genki Dama draws energy from all life and places it in a deadly ki ball. Goku uses this against many of his more powerful opponents. The downside is that he is quite vulnerable during its lengthy creation time. It is called the Spirit Bomb in the English anime. Despite its power, it has only succeeded in destroying its target once in the entire manga.
Hasshuken
(Dubbed 'Eight Fists'😉 When Goku fights Tien during the 22nd Tenka'ichi Budôkai (22nd World Martial Arts Tournament), Tenshinhan (Tien) uses his Four Supernatural Fists on Goku. In defense, Goku decides to use an eight-arm attack, which works even better. Because of the extra arms Goku is able to fight much faster and attack/block more often as each arm moves so fast as it seems to appear in four places at once. Those arms were nothing more then illusions, as Goku was moving his arms up and down extremely fast, making this technique have much in common with zanzoken.
Jan Ken
('Rock Scissors Paper Fist' in English) This is Goku's special attack in early Dragonball, but is soon replaced by the Kamehameha. The user shouts "Jan Ken", then a name corresponding to the attack. "Jan Ken Gu", equals rock and will be a strong punch. "Jan Ken Chyoki", equals scissors and will be a poke in the eyes. "Jan Ken Pa", equals paper and will be an open palm strike. In the English dub of Dragon Ball, the scissor part was cut.
Kaiô-ken
This ability allows Goku to multiply his speed and power by turning potential energy from the body into pure physical energy, often letting him work on an equal level against an initially more powerful foe. Because of the extreme increase of energy flowing through Goku and the increased stress on his body, this form is potentially fatal. Goku no longer uses Kaiô-ken once he is able to access the more potent Super Saiyan state. One exception to this was during the filler saga of the Other World Tournament final against Pikkon, where he used Kaiô-ken while a Super Saiyan; he called it Super Kaiô-ken. The kaio-ken is normally represented as a red aura surrounding the user.
Kamehameha
Goku using the KamehamehaMain article: Kamehameha (Dragon Ball)
Goku's signature technique, the Kamehameha attack, is a powerful, constant stream of energy hurled at an opponent through the hands (or sometimes the feet). Goku has several other variations of this attack as well. In some instances, Goku has launched the Kamehameha with one hand.
Feet Kamehameha - (Ashi kara Kamehameha in Japan) This attack was first used by Goku against Piccolo at the 23rd Tenka'ichi Budôkai (World Martial Arts Tournament). He fired a Kamehameha from his feet to propel himself at Piccolo and leave his hands free at the same time.
Double Kamehameha- This attack was used only once in Movie #3 "Tree of Might". This is when he shoots a kamehameha out of both hands in different directions.
Super Kamehameha - (Chou Kamehameha in Japan) An even more powerful version of the Kamehameha developed by Goku.
Continuous Kamehameha - (Renzoku Kamehameha in Japan) Goku fires more than one Kamehameha.
Warp Kamehameha - (Shunkan Idou Kamehameha in Japan) Goku charges up the attack; then, right before he releases, he teleports in front of the target and releases the blast directly into it. This is also known as Instant Transmission Kamehameha, probably due to the Japanese translation.
Parent & Child Kamehameha - (Oyako Kamehameha in Japan, Father-Son Kamehameha in the Budokai video games) A dead person assists someone who is alive with a Kamehameha. Goku helps Gohan against Cell, and helps out Gohan and Goten against Broly in DBZ Movie #10 (non-canon, and the Movie 10.
10x Kamehameha - This name is given to the red-colored Chou Kamehameha used by Goku while in his Super Saiyajin 4 form, in the Budokai videogames, but the name is never used in the actual series. Some fans are confused by the fact that SSJ4 Gogeta used something called the "Kamehameha x10" ("Juubei Kamehameha" in the Japanese version) against Ii Shenron, but this was an illusionary technique that didn't do any damage.
Kiai
This is a technique in which the user uses their voice and their Ki to deflect incoming Ki attacks, or to knock away opponents. Goku pushes Jheese and Baata around with a Kiai. A variation of this technique allows shockwaves of energy to be launched from the hands.
Kienzan
Goku can use a disk-shaped Ki attack that is similar to Krillin's Kienzan (also known as Destructo Disk). It is used only once, to cut Super Buu in half. It is shaped differently than the Kienzan, being thicker, rather than a flat disk with the rotating edge of sharp Ki that Krillin's technique has.
Kyoken
('Mad Dog fist' in English) This attack is used by Goku who acts like a dog, barking and jumping around to scare his opponent. He then jumps behind and kicks his surprised opponent.
Renzoku Kikou Dan
A machine gun ki attack, used by pretty much anyone who knows how to form balls or beams of energy. It is fairly powerful, especially if the defender is caught off guard, as many beams can be fired and the ones that hit have more power than the last. It is good as a distraction tactic too, firing a few of them before charging up a really big attack to finish it off. The disadvantage is that this attack can take its toll on the attacker, due to the large energy drain. He used this against Perfect Cell in the Cell Games in a desperate attempt to incinerate him, which upon doing this severely drained his ki.
Dragon Fist is a technique where Goku charges his energy into his fist and it creates a Shenlong-like dragon which drives through the opponent. It is often referred to as Super Dragon Fist.
Saruken
('Monkey fist' in English) This is a distraction move designed to confuse and taunt the opponent. Goku uses this in reaction to Jackie Chun's (Muten-Rôshi's alter-ego) use of the Suiken (Drunken fist).
Shunkan Idô
Main article: Shunkan Ido
An ability Goku learned on his way back to Earth from Namek on a remote planet called Yardrat. It allows him to teleport nearly anywhere instantly so long as he focuses on a specific ki signal at the desired location or can see where he wants to go. He places two fingers on his forehead to focus on a power signal.
This ability is called Shunkan Idou, but it is also referred to as Instant Transmission in the English anime translation. Evidence points to the technique transporting the user instantly, rather than at a certain speed.
Spinning Cyclone
A technique used by Goku at the Tenka'ichi Budôkai (World Martial Arts Tournament). He spins quickly like the motion of a cyclone and then knocks into his opponents. It did not work as planned because he got dizzy when using it, so he only used it once. He used it as well in Dragon Ball GT in order to defeat Ryu Shinron, the 6-star Black Dragon.
Taiyoken
Also known as the Solar Flare (in the English anime translation) or Fist of the Sun. A technique learned from Tenshinhan, it creates an extremely bright light which can temporarily blind and stun those in close proximity.
Zanzôken
The user of this technique is able to move extremely fast over small distances, leaving an after-image behind. It can be considered a very short-range teleportation. In the English dub it's called "The Afterimage Technique".
Originally posted by dvampire
Yet Goku struggles to beat people who have no MAs trainning at all. Vegeta and Buu both have no MAs trainning, but they was able to fight on par with Goku. And Goku isn't the best MAs in his universe. Supes is knows MAs, has 1,000 of years of battle experince and is consistently fighting everyday. 🙂
Last i checked KK doesn't have much experience since he's only a teen,experience doesn't always make the better fighter.
Originally posted by stunna1773
Techniques and special abilities
Main article: List of Dragon Ball special abilities
Bukujutsu
This is the ability to fly using one's ki. Goku simply controls his energy and pushes out from underneath him allowing him to fly. The name 'Bukujutsu' means 'Air Dance'.Energy Barrier
With this technique Goku can create a shield around himself which can withstand many attacks as long as he has enough ki to supply.
Superman can pretty much do the same.
Originally posted by stunna1773Fusion Dance
Main article: Fusion (Dragon Ball)
A character can temporarily fuse with someone else provided that they also know the fusion dance and are within the same power range. The effects last for about half an hour and require a resting period of one hour before it can be done again.In Canon, Goku never performs this technique, he only teaches it to Trunks and Goten. In Movie 12 and in DBGT (which is outside canon) he fuses with Vegeta to create Gogeta.
Pointless, seeing as it's Goku vs. Superman.
Originally posted by stunna1773Genki Dama
Main article: Genki Dama
Perhaps Goku's most powerful attack, the Genki Dama draws energy from all life and places it in a deadly ki ball. Goku uses this against many of his more powerful opponents. The downside is that he is quite vulnerable during its lengthy creation time. It is called the Spirit Bomb in the English anime. Despite its power, it has only succeeded in destroying its target once in the entire manga.
You left out that beings with pure hearts (like Superman) can't be harmed...
Originally posted by stunna1773
Hasshuken
(Dubbed 'Eight Fists'😉 When Goku fights Tien during the 22nd Tenka'ichi Budôkai (22nd World Martial Arts Tournament), Tenshinhan (Tien) uses his Four Supernatural Fists on Goku. In defense, Goku decides to use an eight-arm attack, which works even better. Because of the extra arms Goku is able to fight much faster and attack/block more often as each arm moves so fast as it seems to appear in four places at once. Those arms were nothing more then illusions, as Goku was moving his arms up and down extremely fast, making this technique have much in common with zanzoken.Jan Ken
('Rock Scissors Paper Fist' in English) This is Goku's special attack in early Dragonball, but is soon replaced by the Kamehameha. The user shouts "Jan Ken", then a name corresponding to the attack. "Jan Ken Gu", equals rock and will be a strong punch. "Jan Ken Chyoki", equals scissors and will be a poke in the eyes. "Jan Ken Pa", equals paper and will be an open palm strike. In the English dub of Dragon Ball, the scissor part was cut.Kaiô-ken
This ability allows Goku to multiply his speed and power by turning potential energy from the body into pure physical energy, often letting him work on an equal level against an initially more powerful foe. Because of the extreme increase of energy flowing through Goku and the increased stress on his body, this form is potentially fatal. Goku no longer uses Kaiô-ken once he is able to access the more potent Super Saiyan state. One exception to this was during the filler saga of the Other World Tournament final against Pikkon, where he used Kaiô-ken while a Super Saiyan; he called it Super Kaiô-ken. The kaio-ken is normally represented as a red aura surrounding the user.Kamehameha
Goku using the KamehamehaMain article: Kamehameha (Dragon Ball)
Goku's signature technique, the Kamehameha attack, is a powerful, constant stream of energy hurled at an opponent through the hands (or sometimes the feet). Goku has several other variations of this attack as well. In some instances, Goku has launched the Kamehameha with one hand.Feet Kamehameha - (Ashi kara Kamehameha in Japan) This attack was first used by Goku against Piccolo at the 23rd Tenka'ichi Budôkai (World Martial Arts Tournament). He fired a Kamehameha from his feet to propel himself at Piccolo and leave his hands free at the same time.
Double Kamehameha- This attack was used only once in Movie #3 "Tree of Might". This is when he shoots a kamehameha out of both hands in different directions.
Super Kamehameha - (Chou Kamehameha in Japan) An even more powerful version of the Kamehameha developed by Goku.
Continuous Kamehameha - (Renzoku Kamehameha in Japan) Goku fires more than one Kamehameha.
Warp Kamehameha - (Shunkan Idou Kamehameha in Japan) Goku charges up the attack; then, right before he releases, he teleports in front of the target and releases the blast directly into it. This is also known as Instant Transmission Kamehameha, probably due to the Japanese translation.
Parent & Child Kamehameha - (Oyako Kamehameha in Japan, Father-Son Kamehameha in the Budokai video games) A dead person assists someone who is alive with a Kamehameha. Goku helps Gohan against Cell, and helps out Gohan and Goten against Broly in DBZ Movie #10 (non-canon, and the Movie 10.
10x Kamehameha - This name is given to the red-colored Chou Kamehameha used by Goku while in his Super Saiyajin 4 form, in the Budokai videogames, but the name is never used in the actual series. Some fans are confused by the fact that SSJ4 Gogeta used something called the "Kamehameha x10" ("Juubei Kamehameha" in the Japanese version) against Ii Shenron, but this was an illusionary technique that didn't do any damage.Kiai
This is a technique in which the user uses their voice and their Ki to deflect incoming Ki attacks, or to knock away opponents. Goku pushes Jheese and Baata around with a Kiai. A variation of this technique allows shockwaves of energy to be launched from the hands.Kienzan
Goku can use a disk-shaped Ki attack that is similar to Krillin's Kienzan (also known as Destructo Disk). It is used only once, to cut Super Buu in half. It is shaped differently than the Kienzan, being thicker, rather than a flat disk with the rotating edge of sharp Ki that Krillin's technique has.Kyoken
('Mad Dog fist' in English) This attack is used by Goku who acts like a dog, barking and jumping around to scare his opponent. He then jumps behind and kicks his surprised opponent.Renzoku Kikou Dan
A machine gun ki attack, used by pretty much anyone who knows how to form balls or beams of energy. It is fairly powerful, especially if the defender is caught off guard, as many beams can be fired and the ones that hit have more power than the last. It is good as a distraction tactic too, firing a few of them before charging up a really big attack to finish it off. The disadvantage is that this attack can take its toll on the attacker, due to the large energy drain. He used this against Perfect Cell in the Cell Games in a desperate attempt to incinerate him, which upon doing this severely drained his ki.Dragon Fist is a technique where Goku charges his energy into his fist and it creates a Shenlong-like dragon which drives through the opponent. It is often referred to as Super Dragon Fist.
Saruken
('Monkey fist' in English) This is a distraction move designed to confuse and taunt the opponent. Goku uses this in reaction to Jackie Chun's (Muten-Rôshi's alter-ego) use of the Suiken (Drunken fist).
All pointless, since Superman is too fast to be hit by any of these attacks.
Originally posted by stunna1773
Shunkan IdôMain article: Shunkan Ido
An ability Goku learned on his way back to Earth from Namek on a remote planet called Yardrat. It allows him to teleport nearly anywhere instantly so long as he focuses on a specific ki signal at the desired location or can see where he wants to go. He places two fingers on his forehead to focus on a power signal.This ability is called Shunkan Idou, but it is also referred to as Instant Transmission in the English anime translation. Evidence points to the technique transporting the user instantly, rather than at a certain speed.
Since the battle wouldn't be intergalactic, this technique is pointless against Superman, since Superman's speed is actually faster than Goku's IT (due to time).
Originally posted by stunna1773
Spinning Cyclone
A technique used by Goku at the Tenka'ichi Budôkai (World Martial Arts Tournament). He spins quickly like the motion of a cyclone and then knocks into his opponents. It did not work as planned because he got dizzy when using it, so he only used it once. He used it as well in Dragon Ball GT in order to defeat Ryu Shinron, the 6-star Black Dragon.
Superman is too fast to be hit by it.
Originally posted by stunna1773
Taiyoken
Also known as the Solar Flare (in the English anime translation) or Fist of the Sun. A technique learned from Tenshinhan, it creates an extremely bright light which can temporarily blind and stun those in close proximity.
Superman has flown to the sun, so I highly doubt he be blinded by this.
Originally posted by stunna1773
Zanzôken
The user of this technique is able to move extremely fast over small distances, leaving an after-image behind. It can be considered a very short-range teleportation. In the English dub it's called "The Afterimage Technique".
Superman would be faster.
dude you don't consider dbz or dbgt feats you already have your mind made up. dbz and dbgt charters can move faster then light and destroy planets a sun dipped superman using every ounce of strength can move pluto. DBGT charaters are overpowered to a great extent and for me it makes them less interesting. however superman fan boys that are convinced that superman can beat every DBGT character combined make superman seem just as stupid and that sucks just like the wolverine fanboys and the batman ones too.
ok this whole thing has been done to death and people who are way more versed then I have posed pics and made arguments that just get ignored so I don't think their is anything more to say. maga is vastly different then comic books and it's very hard try and debate who is stronger and better. In maga just because a character can lift a car doesn't mean he can only hit as hard as a comic book character that can lift a car. the same guy can split mountains with a punch.
by the way destroying planets and fighting characters that have destroyed galaxies (buu) is not on par with superman? What is creating the universe but I’m betting some writer one time had supes do the same thing and since supes' feats are never PIS it's all counted
Originally posted by jasofisc
dude you don't consider dbz or dbgt feats you already have your mind made up. dbz and dbgt charters can move faster then light and destroy planets a sun dipped superman using every ounce of strength can move pluto. DBGT charaters are overpowered to a great extent and for me it makes them less interesting. however superman fan boys that are convinced that superman can beat every DBGT character combined make superman seem just as stupid and that sucks just like the wolverine fanboys and the batman ones too.
1. DBZ/GT characters CANNOT move faster than the speed of light. If they could, they'd instantly win any fight (and no one would be able to witness any of their fights, which people have been shown to do on every occasion), and there would be no need for Goku's IT. Also, they'd be able to dodge each and every ki blast, which they can't.
2. 99% of the time that DBZ characters have been shown destroying a planet, they did it by detonating the planet's core, not by their ki power alone.
3. Uh, DBZ/GT aren't strong enough to move planets, while Superman CAN . Superman has hurled planets through space and contained a miniature black hole with his bare hands.
all are pis feats for supes he was sun dipped and able to life pluto and giving it his all. furthermore in the sayain saga they were moving so fast they were invisible everything after that should be at least faster then light. oh and try frezza destroying planet vegeta with a huge ball of energy the just engulfed the planet and didn't go to the core and that was his first stage. if you point is the dbz is ridiculse and goes aganst it's self them I agree however if youa re trying to pull that crap where you only use superman PIS feats and dbz characters low feat then I don't know how to reason with you. just because he did it doesn't mean you should have been able too. remember wolverine has beat hulk taken a nuke and been burned down to a skelleton and regenerated from that. all those things are PIS like normal post crisis un sun dipped supes hurling planets and smashing stars or what ever new thing writters decited to discrace him with.
Originally posted by jasofisc
all are pis feats for supes he was sun dipped and able to life pluto and giving it his all. furthermore in the sayain saga they were moving so fast they were invisible everything after that should be at least faster then light. oh and try frezza destroying planet vegeta with a huge ball of energy the just engulfed the planet and didn't go to the core and that was his first stage. if you point is the dbz is ridiculse and goes aganst it's self them I agree however if youa re trying to pull that crap where you only use superman PIS feats and dbz characters low feat then I don't know how to reason with you. just because he did it doesn't mean you should have been able too. remember wolverine has beat hulk taken a nuke and been burned down to a skelleton and regenerated from that. all those things are PIS like normal post crisis un sun dipped supes hurling planets and smashing stars or what ever new thing writters decited to discrace him with.
Can you please reword that? No offense, but I can't understand any of what you said.