Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

All those feats of superman are PIS feats for supes he was sun dipped and able to lift Pluto by giving it his all. Furthermore in the sayain saga they were moving so fast they were invisible, everything after that should be at least faster then light. Oh and Frezza destroying planet vegeta with a huge ball of energy that just engulfed the planet and didn't go to the core and that was while he was in his first stage. If your point is that dbz is ridicules and contradicts itself them I agree, however if you are trying to pull that crap where you only use superman PIS feats and dbz characters low feats then I don't know how to reason with you. Just because he did it doesn't mean he should have been able too. Remember wolverine has beat the hulk, taken a nuke and been burned down to a skeleton and regenerated from all that, those things are PIS like normal post crisis un sun dipped supes hurling planets and smashing stars or what ever new thing writers decided to disgrace him with. My entire point is that while supes power is more consistently lower then a lot of dbz characters that have been going past the speed of light since the Sayain saga (I know it doesn’t make since but that’s DBZ) and have fought guys that have destroyed planets (with out attacking the core like Frezza and buu). Sorry for all the horrible grammar in the last one I was in a hurry.

Originally posted by jasofisc
All those feats of superman are PIS feats for supes he was sun dipped and able to lift Pluto by giving it his all. Furthermore in the sayain saga they were moving so fast they were invisible, everything after that should be at least faster then light. Oh and Frezza destroying planet vegeta with a huge ball of energy that just engulfed the planet and didn't go to the core and that was while he was in his first stage. If your point is that dbz is ridicules and contradicts itself them I agree, however if you are trying to pull that crap where you only use superman PIS feats and dbz characters low feats then I don't know how to reason with you. Just because he did it doesn't mean he should have been able too. Remember wolverine has beat the hulk, taken a nuke and been burned down to a skeleton and regenerated from all that, those things are PIS like normal post crisis un sun dipped supes hurling planets and smashing stars or what ever new thing writers decided to disgrace him with. My entire point is that while supes power is more consistently lower then a lot of dbz characters that have been going past the speed of light since the Sayain saga (I know it doesn’t make since but that’s DBZ) and have fought guys that have destroyed planets (with out attacking the core like Frezza and buu). Sorry for all the horrible grammar in the last one I was in a hurry.

The only time people in DBZ have been shown going beyond the speed of light is when they use the Instant Transmission. All other times, they are going extremely fast, but nowhere near the SoL.

If they were going at the SoL, then:
1. They wouldn't hear anything during fights, since they'd be moving faster than sound waves.
2. Everything around them would be frozen during fights.
3. Fights would be over in less than a second.
4. There would be no point in using the IT or any other mode of transportation.

Since it's Superman vs. Goku, it would be assumed that it's both of them at their greatest strengths, so Superman's amazing feats count.

Originally posted by The Unknown
The only time people in DBZ have been shown going beyond the speed of light is when they use the Instant Transmission. All other times, they are going extremely fast, but nowhere near the SoL.

If they were going at the SoL, then:
1. They wouldn't hear anything during fights, since they'd be moving faster than sound waves.
2. Everything around them would be frozen during fights.
3. Fights would be over in less than a second.
4. There would be no point in using the IT or any other mode of transportation.

Since it's Superman vs. Goku, it would be assumed that it's both of them at their greatest strengths, so Superman's amazing feats count.

In Dragon Ball Z fights are over in seconds even though the show makes them seem longer.

Originally posted by dvampire
Superman wins, pretty easily too. Anyone who still thinks Goku or any other DBZ character can beat him is just wishful thinking.

said the wishful thinker. 🙄

Originally posted by dvampire
Karate Kid is the best MAs in the universe, he has hidden styles not even know by others.

Goku's fighting skills won't give him the edge because Supes also knows MAs and has been fighting pretty much all his life aswell (he's no slouch when it comes to combat).

oh, and I don't care who you think would win, but I still think Supes would win IMO. 🙂

it's like saying that a character like captain america can stack up to DBZ fighters in fighting skill cause he knows all forms of combat and has been fighting his whole life.. it's nonsense is what it is...

Originally posted by dvampire
Yet Goku struggles to beat people who have no MAs trainning at all. Vegeta and Buu both have no MAs trainning, but they was able to fight on par with Goku. And Goku isn't the best MAs in his universe. Supes is knows MAs, has 1,000 of years of battle experince and is consistently fighting everyday. 🙂

no training? ummmmm vegeta trained or fought every day of his life.. in fact in his younger years he did nothing BUT train to fight.... no training? 😕 where the hell did you get that from? fanboy land?

and buu yeah he didn't have a vast amount of training... too bad goku kicked the crippity crap out of him in the fight straight up.. buu just has outworldy powers that negated goku's skill.. those are two HORRIBLY WRONG examples to use to make THAT point.. you fail...

Originally posted by jinzin
said the wishful thinker. 🙄

said yet another wishful thinker.

Originally posted by dvampire
Yet Goku struggles to beat people who have no MAs trainning at all. Vegeta and Buu both have no MAs trainning, but they was able to fight on par with Goku. And Goku isn't the best MAs in his universe. Supes is knows MAs, has 1,000 of years of battle experince and is consistently fighting everyday. 🙂

At the end of Dragon Ball GT, Goku was claimed the greatest fighter in his universe.

Originally posted by stunna1773
In Dragon Ball Z fights are over in seconds even though the show makes them seem longer.

Uh, no they're not... This has been disproven on many occassions throughout the series. Also, ki blasts are shown to be slower than the speed of a bullet, so that right there disproves your theory.

Originally posted by stunna1773
At the end of Dragon Ball GT, Goku was claimed the greatest fighter in his universe.

1. GT is filler, and it was said earlier in this thread by a Goku fan that filler doesn't count. (although I don't mind using GT)
2. Your point being...?

I keep hearing about Goku's great skill. Can any one name even a single time Goku has beaten someone more powerful because he was more skilled? Or even some one of equal power?

Originally posted by The Unknown
said yet another wishful thinker.

who you? yeah I've SEEN your arguments that IS some wishful thinking 🙄

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
I keep hearing about Goku's great skill. Can any one name even a single time Goku has beaten someone more powerful because he was more skilled? Or even some one of equal power?

Freeza, and to some extent Cell, after all he was even with him and Cell had reduced his power enough to be slightly stronger than Goku, he even managed to blow half of Cell's body away with the warp kamehameha and without the Kai oken Goku was even with Nappa and he was beating him untill Vegeta told him to stop. And he was beating Kid Buu aswell realy its just that Kid Buu couldnt be hurt or destroyed due to his regeneration. He was also pumeling Android 19, he was stronger but he was also suffering from a heart virus at the time. Oh wait you asked for a single time, my bad.

Originally posted by The Unknown
Uh, no they're not... This has been disproven on many occassions throughout the series. Also, ki blasts are shown to be slower than the speed of a bullet, so that right there disproves your theory.

no it doesn't... 🤨

we are allowed to see things happen in "bullet time" basically for DBZ.. a clear cut example of this is Burta, he moves faster than the DBZ fighters can detect WITHOUT his power up.... later on we see him attacking goku far slower than his first speed feat implies he can travel.... is it because he's in fact slower than we're led to believe or is it for the SAKE OF ENTERTAINMENT??? 😬

of course there are two sides to every coin... by your logic...
"superman flies slower than the speed of a bullet in his cartoon he obviously can't be faster than sound much less light"

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
I keep hearing about Goku's great skill. Can any one name even a single time Goku has beaten someone more powerful because he was more skilled? Or even some one of equal power?

pretty much any time he takes on an opponent head on... he outskilled frieza, he outskilled piccolo, he outskilled gynu, he outskilled cell, he outskilled pikkon.. all these fighters he bested in hand to hand competition until the stakes got raised wih KI attacks.

Originally posted by jinzin
pretty much any time he takes on an opponent head on... he outskilled frieza, he outskilled piccolo, he outskilled gynu, he outskilled cell, he outskilled pikkon.. all these fighters he bested in hand to hand competition until the stakes got raised wih KI attacks.

Agreed, except he didn't realy outskill Ginyu they fought on equal terms in all honesty. And are you saying Goku isn't skilled in using Ki attacks or am I misinterpreting what you said?

I was watching the last 2 episodes of the cell Saga and Cell was so powerful that he was shaking other planets like the new namek.He even said that instead of just destroying the earth he'll just destroy the whole Solar System with his energy.....😬

And there's a few DBZ character's Supes isn't beating such as Super Buu Kid Buu or any of the Goku Vegeta Fushions..

Originally posted by Sparkz
Agreed, except he didn't realy outskill Ginyu they fought on equal terms in all honesty. And are you saying Goku isn't skilled in using Ki attacks or am I misinterpreting what you said?

Originally posted by Skeets
I was watching the last 2 episodes of the cell Saga and Cell was so powerful that he was shaking other planets like the new namek.He even said that instead of just destroying the earth he'll just destroy the whole Solar System with his energy.....😬

And there's a few DBZ character's Supes isn't beating such as Super Buu Kid Buu or any of the Goku Vegeta Fushions..

Well the shaking of planets bit is filler, but he was shaking the Earth, and he said he had enough chi to blow away the entire solar system was cannon.

Originally posted by Skeets
No he meant that Goku gets overpowered not Outskilled.goku's ki attacks are the best really.

Well not by all of them, he wasn't overpowerd by freeza (once he became a super saiyan) or Cell (As he was holding back a hell of alot but seeing as we are talking about on equal terms...).

And yeah they are the best Warp Kamehameha was the best move ever.