Originally posted by dvampire
The reason Supes wins period, is because he's just a far more powerful character then Goku or any other DBZ character. It has nothing to do with fanboyism. It's obvious who would win once you actaully look at Supes respect thread!
I've seen the Supes respect thread and I still feel that Goku in DBGT could beat him. He has all 7 dragon balls in him and can make anything happen. He could say give me something to kill superman and bam he'd have a few tons of green death. Grab a hand full Instant Transition over to him rub it all over his face and watch him cry like a girl then destructo disk his head of and have his way with the body it gets nasty after this.
I've seen the Supes respect thread and I still feel that Goku in DBGT could beat him. He has all 7 dragon balls in him and can make anything happen. He could say give me something to kill superman and bam he'd have a few tons of green death. Grab a hand full Instant Transition over to him rub it all over his face and watch him cry like a girl then destructo disk his head of and have his way with the body it gets nasty after this.
There are some problems with that. We don't know if Goku possessing the dragonballs gives him those abilities. It certainly didn't give them to Omega Shenron. It would also be out of character for Goku to win in that way. Also It would take allot of kryptonite to drop Superman. He has weathered shots from all the worlds Krytonite being focused through a interstellar warship.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
There are some problems with that. We don't know if Goku possessing the dragonballs gives him those abilities. It certainly didn't give them to Omega Shenron. It would also be out of character for Goku to win in that way. Also It would take allot of kryptonite to drop Superman. He has weathered shots from all the worlds Krytonite being focused through a interstellar warship.
Well if we are using there Characters as a factor in the fight they wouldn't even fight they would go gay camping in the woods talking about how much they love peace and justice and holding eachother balls.
But in a fight like this character is out.
If goku asked for something to kill superman the dragon would give him enough green sauce to kill superman.
And I say it again the only reason superman wins on this fourm is becuase comix nerd overpower anime nerds.
Originally posted by dvampire
The dragons couldn't make a wish without someone commanding them, so I doubt Goku even with the fused, will be able to use them himself. And GT isn't cannon or movies. If you use non-cannon characters, then Supeman have plenty that will make the DBZ/GT stuff look like nothing.
The name of the thread is "superman can beat EVERY DBGT character...............combined"
DBGT is Canon.
Well if we are using there Characters as a factor in the fight they wouldn't even fight they would go gay camping in the woods talking about how much they love peace and justice and holding eachother balls.But in a fight like this character is out
Heroes fight all the time. It wouldn't be too hard to come up with a scenario for them to fight.
Your realise an out of character Goku means Superman's the same? I can think of numerous ways an out of character Superman could destroy Goku. Most of them would taken place in the first nano second of the fight.
And I say it again the only reason superman wins on this fourm is becuase comix nerd overpower anime nerds.
No Dvampire's right and you're proving it. You're having to use a non canon Goku using powers which have never been shown in dragonball GT and still the argument is pretty thin.
Also don't you think a good number of us are Anime fans? I've been on anime forums where the majority agree Superman wins. I did a search on the anime forum and the general consensus there is for Superman. Ironically one of the threads was started by GOGOFALL1 to help him argue against us in this thread.
Originally posted by dirkdirden.
Well if we are using there Characters as a factor in the fight they wouldn't even fight they would go gay camping in the woods talking about how much they love peace and justice and holding eachother ballsSpik this.
[QUOTE]But in a fight like this character is out.
Goku's out.
If goku asked for something to kill superman the dragon would give him enough green sauce to kill superman.And I say it again the only reason superman wins on this fourm is becuase comix nerd overpower anime nerds.
Has Goku ever shown anything in GT with the Dragonballs fused? Nope, you're just assuming. Have the dragons ever made a wish without someone giving them a command to do so? Nope. So how do you know that Goku can make a wish on his own? You don't. And Supes has taken K-nite from the whole planet and was still able to win, he's alot more resistant to it now, it's not going to help Goku in this fight even if he was able to wish for some K-nite (which he can't, and it will be using outside help, so Goku not really fighting with his own powers).
And I'll say it again, Supes wins because he's just far more powerful than Goku or anyother DBZ/GT character.
Originally posted by dvampire
.Has Goku ever shown anything in GT with the Dragonballs fused? Nope, you're just assuming. Have the dragons ever made a wish without someone giving them a command to do so? Nope. So how do you know that Goku can make a wish on his own? You don't. And Supes has taken K-nite from the whole planet and was still able to win, he's alot more resistant to it now, it's not going to help Goku in this fight even if he was able to wish for some K-nite (which he can't, and it will be using outside help, so Goku not really fighting with his own powers).
And I'll say it again, Supes wins because he's just far more powerful than Goku or anyother DBZ/GT character.
Yes it is your opinion that Superman would win and Its my opinion that goku would win. On this form the Comix book nerds out weight the Anime nerds a lot if you go to other forms goku is the clear winner. Below are the first few i could find
http://www.misterpoll.com/results.mpl?id=87453837
http://www.absoluteanime.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=872158&sid=405ba4eabbea4687d59bc6a21dadb630
http://community.funimation.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=6295
http://forums.cheatcc.com/forums/283562/PrintPost.aspx
Yet on those websites people are arguing for Superman using the same arguments based on feats that we're using here. All the Goku lot can come up with is: 'Nuh, uh Goku can blow up planets and stuff'
I mean seriously Goku is stronger than Superman. There's no eveidnce to support that.
Most there have no knowledge of Superman. No one has any knowledge of Superman can seriously argue that he wouldn't take the majority.
You maintain they're equally matched and who wins is based on who you like more. Show me then, give me some facts that back thisup. Because by the standards of the versus board this is a curbstomp in Supermans favour.
Originally posted by Mageeum idiot broly easily destoyed planets meaning goku could do that as well. Im sorry but supes cant win. Cell by himself could take supes,ww, captain marvel,and black adam.
GOKU DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE DOWN SUPERMAN, HE CAN NOT AND WILL NOT KILL HIM BECAUSE HE JUST DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER OR STRENGTH NEEDED. The only thing coming from dbz supporters is Goku>doomsday, blow up planets etc etc, no proof, no facts and no feats = you lose, never coming back here.
Originally posted by xmeat
um idiot broly easily destoyed planets meaning goku could do that as well. Im sorry but supes cant win. Cell by himself could take supes,ww, captain marvel,and black adam.
Brolly easily died by lava and Goku by a planetary explosion. Supes survived a blackhole, supernova, and planet destruction; He's far more powerful than Goku. Cell got beaten by a ssj2 Gohan, who's leagues below Supes in power. Gohan hit Cell in his gut, and he lost 18 just by doing that, if Supes was to hit him, Cell would lose more than just 18, his body would be broken inhalf. And please stop putting up names like CM, BA, and WW when you know nothing about them. They would also beat any DBZ character just like Supes.
Here's Supes feats.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/371890_1-superman-respect-thread
Now post some DBZ character feats that out beat those.
Originally posted by dvampiressj2 gohan below supes when has ever completely obliterated something other than a robot with just one kick.
Brolly easily died by lava and Goku by a planetary explosion. Supes survived a blackhole, supernova, and planet destruction; He's far more powerful than Goku. Cell got beaten by a ssj2 Gohan, who's leagues below Supes in power. Gohan hit Cell in his gut, and he lost 18 just by doing that, if Supes was to hit him, Cell would lose more than just 18, his body would be broken inhalf. And please stop putting up names like CM, BA, and WW when you know nothing about them. They would also beat any DBZ character just like Supes.Here's Supes feats.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/371890_1-superman-respect-thread
Now post some DBZ character feats that out beat those.
It's not about feats. Superman has been around longer than Goku he's going to have more feats.
Every punch from goku has Ki at the end of it and Ki hurts Superman. So It would only take one hit from SSJ4 goku to kill superman. Warp Kamehameha would kill him. Superman can't since powerlevels and goku can so there for goku at IT anyware he wants and superman would have no idea were is location is, but goku would know exactly where superman is and all goku would have to do is a warp Kamehameha or distructo disk.
All these attack would Hurt superman becuase they use magic
Genki Dama
Kaiô-ken
Feet Kamehameha
Double Kamehameha
Super Kamehameha
Continuous Kamehameha
Turning Kamehameha
Warp Kamehameha
Family Kamehameha
Kamehameha
10x Kamehameha
Kiai
Kiai Ho
Kienzan
Renzoku Kikou Dan
Ryū-Ken
Shunkan Idô
Spinning Cyclone
Taiyōken
Zanzôken
for detail on each attack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_Goku_%28Dragon_Ball%29#Dragon_Ball_Z
Originally posted by xmeat
ssj2 gohan below supes when has ever completely obliterated something other than a robot with just one kick.
go killed villains with one hit as ssj2 he would eat supes alive.
He killed villains far below Supes, what ever Gohan did to Cell, Supes could, but far worse.
Again, show scans of some Goku or any other DBZ characters feats to back up what you say.
Supes is:
1. way stronger than any DBZ/GT character
2. Far more durable
3. Way smater
4. way, way, faster
5. And has way more stamina
Originally posted by dvampire
Supes is:1. way stronger than any DBZ/GT character
yes
Originally posted by dvampire
2. Far more durable
probably
Originally posted by dvampire
3. Way smater
without a doubt
Originally posted by dvampire
4. way, way, faster
Instant transmission anyone?
In terms of pure speed feats DBZ wins. In terms of in combat speed feats supes wins.
Originally posted by dvampire
5. And has way more stamina
Have you seen how long those fights last. Stamina is what Saiyans do.
Originally posted by dirkdirden
It's not about feats. Superman has been around longer than Goku he's going to have more feats.It is about feats, it's how we decide who wins.
[QUOTE]Every punch from goku has Ki at the end of it and Ki hurts Superman.
Every punch Goku throws would do know damage to Supes (who has taken hits from way stronger beings). Supes take hits from class 100 plus characters, there's noway a charcter (Goku) who could barely push a hill apart is going to even scracth Supes.
So It would only take one hit from SSJ4 goku to kill superman.
You mean the ssj4 Goku who could barely push a falling building back in place or lift some people on a falling rock. SSJ4 Goku would break his hand on Supes.
Warp Kamehameha would kill him.
Warp-K would do know damage to Supes and it won't be give the chance to be pulled off, Supes will KO Goku and the rest in the first few seconds of the fight. The Kamehameha wave takes to long, and it also depends on how long he charge it up, since the longer he does, the stronger the attack, but Supes won't wait around for that to happen. The small energy blasts Supes whould either go right through, dodge them, or counter with his Heat Vision.
Superman can't since powerlevels and goku can so there for goku at IT anyware he wants and superman would have no idea were is location is,
Goku can't since Supes, since Supes doesn't operate on ki. And Supes has highten senses that are way better than Goku's; he can hear from across the solar system. IT won't help in a fight, Goku can IT anywhere he wants to on Earth, doesn't mean anything if he's not fighting. Supes could just fly in space and destroy the whole planet, killing every body who can't breath in space like the Sayians, and then continue to beat the crap out of all the aliens and androids.
but goku would know exactly where superman is and all goku would have to do is a warp Kamehameha or distructo disk.
Again, this won't work, look above.
All these attack would Hurt superman becuase they use magic
Since when was ki labeled as magic?
Genki Dama
Kaiô-ken
Feet Kamehameha
Double Kamehameha
Super Kamehameha
Continuous Kamehameha
Turning Kamehameha
Warp Kamehameha
Family Kamehameha
Kamehameha
10x Kamehameha
Kiai
Kiai Ho
Kienzan
Renzoku Kikou Dan
Ryū-Ken
Shunkan Idô
Spinning Cyclone
Taiyōken
Zanzôken
for detail on each attack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_Goku_%28Dragon_Ball%29#Dragon_Ball_Z
None of those attacks would stop Supes, and I'm still waiting for some feats that out beats Supes, which you're trying to avoid. Bring some actual evidence, not all this crap, that shows nothing putting Goku in Supes league.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
yesOf course.
[QUOTE]probably
Supes is far more durable. Has Goku or any other DBZ character ever survived a double blackhole or a supernova? Nope. They're way below him in durability too.
without a doubt
Yep.
Instant transmission anyone?
IT is a teleport, not his speed.
In terms of pure speed feats DBZ wins.
Prove it. Supes is way faster than light, DBZ characters havn't come even close to that. So Supes is way faster.
In terms of in combat speed feats supes wins.
Agreed. Which is why he'll speedbiltz the crap out of any DBZ/GT character.
Have you seen how long those fights last. Stamina is what Saiyans do.
You only lasting just a few minutes in there fights, especailly ssj3 Goku who could barely fight with kid buu no more than a few minutes. Supes has fought for weeks and years without a break. His stamina is far above any DBZ/GT character.
Superman beats them in all stats, he wins.