Re: Mental Illness or Demon Possession?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Some characteristics include but are not limited to extraordinary strength (which is inconsistent with the age and development of the person), manifesting a voice or voices that are completely foreign to the person (i.e. not their own, but separate and distinct entirely), strong aversion for anything that pertains to God (this is not ordinary atheism, but intense hatred for God or anything holy, and sacred that pertains to Him), an acrid, horrible, body odor, stench or smell of sulphur (which is associated with Hell based on the Bible and the testimony of people who have been there).
[list] [*]Extraordinary strength - Simply explained by Adrenalin as well as insufficient evidence of the actual acts described ever having occurred.[*]Manifesting a voice or voices that are completely foreign to the person - Again simple, use of the secondary vocal chords, incidental to the neural malfunctioning.[*]Strong aversion for anything that pertains to God - Many Psychosis are an escape from the stress of social structure being forced upon them, aversion to religion is expected as it is one of the most forceful structures in society.[*]an acrid, horrible, body odor, stench or smell of sulphur - Rofl, mentally ill individuals do not always bathe regularly... but really, this is not a common symptom and has not been empirically studied either.[/list]
Science has explained these cases, and it is mental illness. People have been "cured", there are plenty of explanations.
Also, people lie. People will respond as in a manner approximating what is expected. People come up with other "personalities" and such to allow themselves to behave in an uncontrolled manner and not receive blame, we see it in most people, although few go so far as to claim "possession" or Dissociative Identities. Many people get drunk or high to escape the structure pushed on them, others go through a "midlife crisis" or have a "nervous breakdown", some go "crazy" in other ways; they are all just using some method to shift the blame of their perceived unacceptable behaviors from themselves.
Re: Re: Mental Illness or Demon Possession?
Originally posted by Regret
[list] [*]Extraordinary strength - Simply explained by Adrenalin as well as insufficient evidence of the actual acts described ever having occurred.[*]Manifesting a voice or voices that are completely foreign to the person - Again simple, use of the secondary vocal chords, incidental to the neural malfunctioning.[*]Strong aversion for anything that pertains to God - Many Psychosis are an escape from the stress of social structure being forced upon them, aversion to religion is expected as it is one of the most forceful structures in society.[*]an acrid, horrible, body odor, stench or smell of sulphur - Rofl, mentally ill individuals do not always bathe regularly... but really, this is not a common symptom and has not been empirically studied either.[/list]Science has explained these cases, and it is mental illness. People have been "cured", there are plenty of explanations.
Also, people lie. People will respond as in a manner approximating what is expected. People come up with other "personalities" and such to allow themselves to behave in an uncontrolled manner and not receive blame, we see it in most people, although few go so far as to claim "possession" or Dissociative Identities. Many people get drunk or high to escape the structure pushed on them, others go through a "midlife crisis" or have a "nervous breakdown", some go "crazy" in other ways; they are all just using some method to shift the blame of their perceived unacceptable behaviors from themselves.
You appear to have deliberately omitted other phenomena characteristic of demon possessed individuals. I will list some of them again. Here they are:
• knowledge of languages never before studied, sometimes never even heard; the ability to speak languages never before studied;
• "superhuman" abilities such as psychic abilities such as knowing facts about other individuals that he/she has never met.
• wounds appearing upon the victim that have not been inflicted by the self or another concrete source,
• behaviors out of the realm of human possibility such as levitation; (the possessed rises and floats off the ground, chair, or bed; there is no physically traceable support);
• cessation of normal bodily functions for periods of time, including breathing and heart beat; and a Other phenomena associated with the presence of a demon include an acrid stench; In addition, the accompanying situations related to the area around possessed individuals do not seem to be explainable in terms of the brain or any aspect of biology; science cannot yet explain the distinct, marked decrease in the temperature of the room the possessed individual occupies
• writing appearing out of nowhere even on the possessed individual’s body;
• sounds and voices arising from nowhere or from an unseen force;
• objects moving on their own and destruction of objects in the room, without anyone having laid a hand upon them
• "possessed gravity" (the possessed person becomes
physically immovable, or those around the possessed are
weighted down with a suffocating pressure)
• violent smashing of furniture, constant opening and
slamming of doors, tearing of fabric in the vicinity of
the possessed, without a hand laid on them; and so on.
Re: Re: Re: Mental Illness or Demon Possession?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You appear to have deliberately omitted other phenomena characteristic of demon possessed individuals. I will list some of them again. Here they are:• knowledge of languages never before studied, sometimes never even heard; the ability to speak languages never before studied;
• "superhuman" abilities such as psychic abilities such as knowing facts about other individuals that he/she has never met.
• wounds appearing upon the victim that have not been inflicted by the self or another concrete source,
• behaviors out of the realm of human possibility such as levitation; (the possessed rises and floats off the ground, chair, or bed; there is no physically traceable support);
• cessation of normal bodily functions for periods of time, including breathing and heart beat; and a Other phenomena associated with the presence of a demon include an acrid stench; In addition, the accompanying situations related to the area around possessed individuals do not seem to be explainable in terms of the brain or any aspect of biology; science cannot yet explain the distinct, marked decrease in the temperature of the room the possessed individual occupies
• writing appearing out of nowhere even on the possessed individual’s body;
• sounds and voices arising from nowhere or from an unseen force;
• objects moving on their own and destruction of objects in the room, without anyone having laid a hand upon them
• "possessed gravity" (the possessed person becomes
physically immovable, or those around the possessed are
weighted down with a suffocating pressure)
• violent smashing of furniture, constant opening and
slamming of doors, tearing of fabric in the vicinity of
the possessed, without a hand laid on them; and so on.
another key point in which you should include Sithsabre.
Re: Mental Illness or Demon Possession?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There are some things that not even medical science can explain because they fall outside of the realm of science. For example, demon possession cannot be diagnosed through medical science because it is not a biological phenomena, it is a spiritual reality. A person who is demon possessed can never be delivered from his/her condition through medical treatment or prescription drugs because the problem is a spiritual one not a psychological, physiological, or biological problem. According to the Bible Jesus encountered a number of people who manifested physically bizarre behavior or conditions, but who were demon possessed. A person who is demon possessed has certain earmarks that a person who is mentally ill does not have. Some characteristics include but are not limited to extraordinary strength (which is inconsistent with the age and development of the person), manifesting a voice or voices that are completely foreign to the person (i.e. not their own, but separate and distinct entirely), strong aversion for anything that pertains to God (this is not ordinary atheism, but intense hatred for God or anything holy, and sacred that pertains to Him), an acrid, horrible, body odor, stench or smell of sulphur (which is associated with Hell based on the Bible and the testimony of people who have been there). For more characteristics I will defer to another source. This student wrote a paper on demonic possession that I find very useful. She does not have any “religious” bias, but she discusses demon possession and compares and contrasts it with current medical scientific, medically diagnosed conditions. She mentions Tourette Syndrome, Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD), and Schizophrenia. Here is what she writes:A possessed individual is typically characterized by having strange physical ailments or disfigurements; verbal outbursts, mostly obscene or sacrilegious in nature; violent behavior and vulgar behavior; bodily spasms and contortions; ability to speak languages never before studied; self-mutilation; "superhuman" abilities such as psychic abilities, abnormal strength, or an ability to perform behaviors out of the realm of human possibility such as levitation; cessation of normal bodily functions for periods of time, including breathing and heart beat; and a pronounced revulsion to symbols, places, people, objects, and ceremonies having any religious context. Other phenomena associated with the presence of a demon include an acrid stench; marked decrease in the temperature of the room which a possessed individual occupies; writing appearing out of nowhere; sounds and voices arising from nowhere; and objects moving on their own and destruction of objects in the room, without anyone having laid a hand upon them ((2), (3).
The resemblance between several of these criteria and demonic possession is rather striking. The inappropriate emotional displays seen in psychoses correspond to those frequently documented in cases of demonic possession where the possessed individual expresses either flattened affect or outbursts of extreme affects; a possessed individual will often laugh at situations which are morbid, such as injury to another individual, or crying and screaming when there appears to be no appropriate stimulus for such a response, such as being presented with a crucifix or holy water (6).However, there is quite a bit about supposed demonic possession which cannot yet be explained by biology. This category includes such phenomenon as levitation, wounds appearing upon the victim that have not been inflicted by the self or another concrete source, knowledge of languages never before studied, sometimes never even heard, and psychic abilities such as knowing facts about other individuals that have never been met. In addition, the accompanying situations related to the area around possessed individuals do not seem to be explainable in terms of the brain or any aspect of biology; science cannot yet explain the distinct decrease in temperature of the room the individual occupies, the appearance of writing and sounds from an unseen force, and the movement of objects on their own (2).
--Melissa A. Bromwell, Demonic Possession, http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro99/web3/Bromwell.html
The following is Part One of an excerpt entitled
"A Brief Handbook of Exorcism".
It is taken from Malachi Martin's 1976 classic work on
the subject of possession and exorcism called,
"Hostage To The Devil".
Among other things, the 477 p. book also contains an
in depth analysis on the recent possessions of 5
"ordinary" Americans.
For further information on the subject, the reader is
invited to consult the book. It is published by Perrenial
Library of New York.Note: Italicized words are represented through
use of 'single' quotation marks.“In the records of Christian Exorcism from as far back
as the lifetime of Jesus himself, a peculiar revulsion to
symbols and truths of religion is always and without
exception a mark of the possessed person. In the
verification of a case of possession by Church
authorities, this "symptom" of revulsion is triangulated
with other physical phenomena frequently associated with
possession -the inexplicable stench; freezing temperature
; telepathic power about purely religious and moral
matters; a peculiarly unlined or completely smooth or
stretched skin, or unusual distortion of the face, or
other physical and behavioral transformations;
"possessed gravity" (the possessed person becomes
physically immovable, or those around the possessed are
weighted down with a suffocating pressure); levitation
(the possessed rises and floats off the ground, chair,
or bed; there is no physically traceable support);
violent smashing of furniture, constant opening and
slamming of doors, tearing of fabric in the vicinity of
the possessed, without a hand laid on them; and so on.When this triangulation is made of the varied
symptoms that may occur in any given case, and medical
and psychiatric diagnoses are inadequate to cover the
full situation, the decision will usually be to proceed
and try Exorcism.”-- Malachi Martin, Hostage To The Devil (A Brief Handbook of Exorcism) http://hem1.passagen.se/conclave/Exorcis1.txt
The main point to understand about the characteristics of a demon possessed person is that these manifestations occur during the period that the person is demon possessed, but completely cease once the person is delivered from the demon. In addition, some or all of those signs may occur in a demon possessed person. Demons are real entities that can and do take over a person’s mind and body. All demons are fallen angels. Some demons are in Hell, some are awaiting judgment in Tartarus, some are in the domain we refer to as outer space, and some are among us in this world. But demons are not visible because they are spirit creatures. The best defense against becoming a victim of demon possession can be found in the following links:
http://diskbooks.org/part2.html#hs2a3 (Why you should avoid Harry Potter books, Pokemon things, and other types of occulted materials)
http://www.rsglh.org/demon_possession.htm (Are all non-Christians are under the dominion of the devil?)
http://www.bible.ca/su-demons.htm (Is a demon simply a disease?)
http://www.rapidresponsereport.com/briefingpapers/DemonPossession30.pdf (Some--not all--medical conditions i.e. illnesses, ailments, disfigurements, etc. are attributable to demons)
http://www.prairieghosts.com/exorcist.html (The True Story of the 1949 Exorcism of Robbie Doe)
What say you Shakyamunison?
I was terrorised by what was probably a demon for a long time until I tried praying, which worked. (an athiest upbringing). My mother and family have a history of wierd stuff like this happening to them, I seem to have inherited it. And im not on drugs, have a chemical imbalance or insane (well to a certain extent🙂) and no im not joking:/
(Please stop writing in blue, try red)
Originally posted by Bicnarok
I was terrorised by what was probably a demon for a long time until I tried praying, which worked. (an athiest upbringing). My mother and family have a history of wierd stuff like this happening to them, I seem to have inherited it. And im not on drugs, have a chemical imbalance or insane (well to a certain extent🙂) and no im not joking:/(Please stop writing in blue, try red)
Please proved your proof of this demon. I assume you have proof. If Someone says they have cancer, I assume it is because they have seen a doctor and had tests run. If they haven't, then they might be just imagining their cancer.