Abstracts are called abstracts because they are the embodiment of something abstract, i.e. hate, love, time, death, order, balance, etc. I know exactly how he was created. And yes he is a "true" cosmic being. But he represents no abstract force.
The In-Betweener is the only cosmic with a physical body that would qualify as an abstract. He represents the balance between Chaos and Order.
It seems like Thanos is becomming the new Wolverine of the boards. He is both pitted against people that he would utterly obliterate, because people underrate him, and people that he should never even see in combat, because people overrate him. Logically, Thanos with his added recent upgrades should be Skyfather level. Some of the people arguing that he is Surfer level are just confused...
Akin to those arguing that he is ANYWHERE NEAR a celestial.
Eh, whatever. Celestial, 10/10.
Originally posted by who?-kiddoom isnt more dangerous than thanos, doom gets sent to hell and made a fool of in every damn cosmic storyline except Secret Wars, and this is because Doom is too greedy, Thanos likes doom, for his viciousness, but the mad titan has stated that doom is too human to ever be any "cosmic" threat.
Doom is more dangerous than Thanos. Thanos is more powerful, true. Everybody knows that.But Doom is just more impressive. He started with nothing when he was born, he didn't even have any powers, money, family, nothing. Now he's a know threat to the Earth and at times to the universe and is considered as one of the most dangerous villains ever.
Thanos was already powerful when he was born, and was surrounded by technical gadgets. Doom makes his own gadgets, and they kick ass. He only has his intelligence and that's all he needs.
Doom doesn't need a monthly upgrade like the Mad Titan. Doom is Doom.
Thanos has had 2 uprgrades his whole run... And this qualifies as all the time... im pretty sure doom has been upgraded.....
Originally posted by Lord Smarvel the End is canon.
1. That was in 'The End', which was not canon.2. Anyone with a device like the IG or HOTU can achieve godhood.
3. Thanos may come 'packing', but he falls way short against Celestials. The Celestials were the ones that created the Eternals, so it's really illogical to assume that Thanos, under his own power, would be much of a threat to them.
Originally posted by Crease
Abstracts are called abstracts because they are the embodiment of something abstract, i.e. hate, love, time, death, order, balance, etc. I know exactly how he was created. And yes he is a "true" cosmic being. But he represents no abstract force.
The fact that all the species see him differently, is imo proof that he is rather abstract than not abstract. He represents a force (of course he does) but I don't know exactly what kind of force.
I guess we have to agree to disagree.
Originally posted by King KAM
doom isnt more dangerous than thanos, doom gets sent to hell and made a fool of in every damn cosmic storyline except Secret Wars, and this is because Doom is too greedy, Thanos likes doom, for his viciousness, but the mad titan has stated that doom is too human to ever be any "cosmic" threat.
Do you know many villains who aren't too greedy ?
Oh and another thing, Thanos doubts himself, he knows he's not worthy (enough) to possess absolute power. Doom thinks doubting yourself is for fools and weaklings.
So Doom has a stronger personality than Thanos 😈
Originally posted by who?-kid
You don't call Thanos greedy ? Wow... I'm amazed.Do you know many villains who aren't too greedy ?
Oh and another thing, Thanos doubts himself, he knows he's not worthy (enough) to possess absolute power. Doom thinks doubting yourself is for fools and weaklings.
So Doom has a stronger personality than Thanos 😈
I think someone just got owned. 😉
Originally posted by SoljerYeah I agree...totally.
It seems like Thanos is becomming the new Wolverine of the boards. He is both pitted against people that he would utterly obliterate, because people underrate him, and people that he should never even see in combat, because people overrate him. Logically, Thanos with his added recent upgrades should be Skyfather level. Some of the people arguing that he is Surfer level are just confused...Akin to those arguing that he is ANYWHERE NEAR a celestial.
Eh, whatever. Celestial, 10/10.
As stated before, Thanos is my absolute favourite character, and it's tough to watch people overrate him, cause half of them don't even know what the hell they're talking about...they just needlessly fellate the character with overly simplistic statements and half-truths.
Originally posted by King KAMI take it you haven't read 'Triumph and Torment', where Doom outsmarts Mephisto in his own realm to free his mother's soul.
doom isnt more dangerous than thanos, doom gets sent to hell and made a fool of in every damn cosmic storyline except Secret Wars
, and this is because Doom is too greedy, Thanos likes doom, for his viciousness, but the mad titan has stated that doom is too human to ever be any "cosmic" threat.
All villains are greedy, and Doom has proven himself to be a bona fide threat throughout the MU. Characters can state whatever they like about other characters, doesn't negate the truth that's been shown.
Thanos has had 2 uprgrades his whole run... And this qualifies as all the time... im pretty sure doom has been upgraded
I don't believe Doom has been upgraded...just refined his grasp on sorcery, which is a natural progression of his character.
marvel the End is canon.
Nope...it takes place in Universe-4321. Like a 'What-If?' universe. I wish it were canon, but it's not. I had a long argument with Andy Schmidt (Marvel editor) over at CBR about it, and got spanked. 😠
He basically declared it was not in continuity, like all the other 'The End' series. 😠
It seems to me that the Skyfather lovers all have the one side of the subject to themselves. Guess you just can't stand that people like Surfer and Thanos and Gladiator and Wonder Man are growing more and more popular every day.
Next on our agenda is to shove Assgard up Thor's ass.
Na just kidding but since you have a bit of an attitude over skyfather issues take it for what its worth.
Thanos did sit down the beyonder in his own series last i saw too but he/she went by creator or something.
Thanos has these things going for him: ( And understand that I am counting everything I can from his first appearance to current status)
1) Immortality
2) Possession of Reality Gem
3) Incredible, if not unrivalled, intelligence
4) God like strength
5) Being someone who is outside destiny's usual realm of influence
6) Being the most versatile character imaginable
7) Being one of the most resourceful characters ever
8) The fact that he probably has seem more odyssies in his lifetime than all of the celestials have combined.
If you are asking in terms of power than this debate can go on forever as Thanos' power and ability is ever changing. One moment he can defeat powerhouses like Champion with power gem and Destroyer, and then another moment will be challenged with Hulk or Thor.
But in terms of entire ability? OMG Thanos takes this easily.
Name me something that a celestial has done that is more impressive than anything Thanos has accomplished?
Do you forget how Thanos mindraped Galactus? And then you guys are gonna tell me that he's not on par with a CELESTIAL when Galactus is above the Celestials ????????
Thanos is considered Marvel's most dangerous villian for many many reasons, he has earned this title repeatedly.
Originally posted by who?-kidno doom is just naive, "he who seeks power, has nothing"
You don't call Thanos greedy ? Wow... I'm amazed.Do you know many villains who aren't too greedy ?
Oh and another thing, Thanos doubts himself, he knows he's not worthy (enough) to possess absolute power. Doom thinks doubting yourself is for fools and weaklings.
So Doom has a stronger personality than Thanos 😈
Originally posted by Lord Sif its not cannon, than how was it used in both marvel anhilation, which is cannon, and Thanos series, which is canon??
Yeah I agree...totally.As stated before, Thanos is my absolute favourite character, and it's tough to watch people overrate him, cause half of them don't even know what the hell they're talking about...they just needlessly fellate the character with overly simplistic statements and half-truths.
I take it you haven't read 'Triumph and Torment', where Doom outsmarts Mephisto in his own realm to free his mother's soul.
[b], and this is because Doom is too greedy, Thanos likes doom, for his viciousness, but the mad titan has stated that doom is too human to ever be any "cosmic" threat.
All villains are greedy, and Doom has proven himself to be a bona fide threat throughout the MU. Characters can state whatever they like about other characters, doesn't negate the truth that's been shown.
Thanos has had 2 uprgrades his whole run... And this qualifies as all the time... im pretty sure doom has been upgraded
I don't believe Doom has been upgraded...just refined his grasp on sorcery, which is a natural progression of his character.
marvel the End is canon.
Nope...it takes place in Universe-4321. Like a 'What-If?' universe. I wish it were canon, but it's not. I had a long argument with Andy Schmidt (Marvel editor) over at CBR about it, and got spanked. 😠
He basically declared it was not in continuity, like all the other 'The End' series. 😠 [/B]
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Thanos has these things going for him: ( And understand that I am counting everything I can from his first appearance to current status)1) Immortality
2) Possession of Reality Gem
3) Incredible, if not unrivalled, intelligence
4) God like strength
5) Being someone who is outside destiny's usual realm of influence
6) Being the most versatile character imaginable
7) Being one of the most resourceful characters ever
8) The fact that he probably has seem more odyssies in his lifetime than all of the celestials have combined.
8) The fact that he probably has seem more odyssies in his lifetime than all of the celestials have combined.
Even the weakest Celestial is way more powerful than an upgraded Thanos. A Celestial can crush Thanos under his big feet.
Originally posted by who?-kidyou do realize that you are an idiot right???
Thanos doesn't have god like strength, Hulk is probably stronger, he isn't the smartest in the universe (where do you get those ideas ?) and without his resources he isn't that versatile. He's slow, can't fly (maybe a bit of levitation), his teleportation powers are questionable, he isn't a that powerful telepath, he doesn't know magic spells (or very little) and so on.
[B]
You realize that the Celestials have been around much longer than Thanos ?Even the weakest Celestial is way more powerful than an upgraded Thanos. A Celestial can crush Thanos under his big feet.
Thanos POUNDS Hulk ALLL the time,and SS, and thor, hell he even pounded hulk thng thor and herc at the same time with no upgrade, he has fought Tyrant to a stand still, Thanos is in MU's top intellect seeing that he has equipment that he has built that makes, Dr. Doom, look like he is comparing an Vinly Album to a Blue Ray media disc, AND he IS Marvel Universes best Tactician and War mind, having defeated Grandmaster himself in a game of strategy.
If thanos is so slow than why does he tag guys like silver surfer without problems, you ever seen Thanos get speed-blitzed??? nope, there a reason for it, god-like reflexes.He can levitate as much as needed,his teleportation has never been "questionable" he teleports where he wants, when he pleases. Nobody can get into his mind, and he does know magic, he knows enough so that not even Mephisto nor Dr. Strange ever try to fight him.