Are you not believing or not receiving?

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
If a person has writings that are proven by papyris analysis and historians and secular writers that these people existed and have been dated. We see in these writings over 300 prophesies that were written about a future event that hasn't happened yet. We also have documentation about Jesus existence by secular writers, historians and eyewitnesses. Than we have accuracy in the fulfillment of those prophesies. What other texts or writings hold that kind of reliabilty and credibilty lil bitchiness? The old testiment writings are used by the Smithsonian Institute because of thier Historical accuracy.

We have writings by ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Persians, Asians which are more credible and applicable to today than Torah, Bible and Qur'an put together hundred times over.

Are they ALL inspired by the Divine?

Historical events and people are ALL accurate, but that doesn't mean they are inspired by the Divine.

Noone doubts existence of Jesus - i never questioned existence of Jesus, he has a historical figure.
Bible's claim of his divinity is the question.

How do you know he was divine ( as such cannot be proven ) apart from what a Bible tells you?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
We have writings by ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Persians, Asians which are more credible and applicable to today than Torah, Bible and Qur'an put together hundred times over.

Are they ALL inspired by the Divine?

Historical events and people are ALL accurate, but that doesn't mean they are inspired by the Divine.

Noone doubts existence of Jesus - i never questioned existence of Jesus, he has a historical figure.
Bible's claim of his divinity is the question.

How do you know he was divine ( as such cannot be proven ) apart from what a Bible tells you?

It depends on what you define as 'Divine'. If you think that the Universe is divine in itself, well then Jesus and all of us are divine bits of the source.

Yeah, sorry I should have made that clear.

Divine in this context means --Abrahamic God.

or Messiah.

but I must say that some people doubt the existance of Jesus. I'm not one of them, but it is a beliefe I run into now and again.

Which is strange I must add.

For no other reason than that Jesus was a historical figure if nothing else. But its possible he never existed. This world is nothing but filled with possibilities.

ditto..they seem to say that Jesus was actually just made up by the church, that he actually didnt exist or was a conglomeration of many different people

What was so great about Jesus? How come he still be so famous today? Not many other people stay so well known for so long? There must be some very good reason in his fame, right?

in short: someone founded a religion where he was the savior. Then, a bunch of powerful people converted.

Yes, the church made him divine and then decided they would speak in his place on earth......That is the role of the Pope.

convinent this is...speaking for a god.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
We have writings by ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Persians, Asians which are more credible and applicable to today than Torah, Bible and Qur'an put together hundred times over.

Are they ALL inspired by the Divine?

Historical events and people are ALL accurate, but that doesn't mean they are inspired by the Divine.

Noone doubts existence of Jesus - i never questioned existence of Jesus, he has a historical figure.
Bible's claim of his divinity is the question.

How do you know he was divine ( as such cannot be proven ) apart from what a Bible tells you?

I believe that God spoke to all people at some point, through their own people, prophets among them.

I also, due to my belief in current revelation, believe that many religions (including Christian ones) have not held to the intent of the divine inspiration. Each held to portions, and each to varying degrees.

Given this, I would answer yes, they are divinely inspired. I would further speculate that all text that holds a portion of divine intent may have been inspired at some point.

This does not mean that current forms are accurate as to the initial divine inspiration. Man has had time to interpret and modify through translation or merely cloud meanings through man's philosophy based on the initial inspired word.

I would speculate that many men were inspired by the divine. Many of the great religious men throughout history. The Prophet Muhammed, Siddhartha Gautama Buddha, Lao Tzu, and others, many of the great religious men throughout history may have been inspired men.

This does not necessarily mean that the interpretations of the texts are accurate, or necessarily inspired inspirations.

Then my question is...why are there no prophets now?

Originally posted by Alliance
Then my question is...why are there no prophets now?

My beliefs say there are. Mormons believe that God has a prophet living today. That is one of the biggest differences between Mormons and the rest of Christianity.

any names?

For prophets we believe in?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

But its possible he never existed. [/B]

I did agree with your previous statement but this one?...Not.

Originally posted by Regret
I believe that God spoke to all people at some point, through their own people, prophets among them.

I also, due to my belief in current revelation, believe that many religions (including Christian ones) have not held to the intent of the divine inspiration. Each held to portions, and each to varying degrees.

Given this, I would answer yes, they are divinely inspired. I would further speculate that all text that holds a portion of divine intent may have been inspired at some point.

This does not mean that current forms are accurate as to the initial divine inspiration. Man has had time to interpret and modify through translation or merely cloud meanings through man's philosophy based on the initial inspired word.

I would speculate that many men were inspired by the divine. Many of the great religious men throughout history. The Prophet Muhammed, Siddhartha Gautama Buddha, Lao Tzu, and others, many of the great religious men throughout history may have been inspired men.

This does not necessarily mean that the interpretations of the texts are accurate, or necessarily inspired inspirations.

One thing that makes the bible unique is it's 66 books. They flow as if they were written by one Author. There are 44 Authors of which many have never meet one another other before and have lived in completely different regions and completely different times. I believe it is God inspired just as the scriptures say it is.

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
One thing that makes the bible unique is it's 66 books. They flow as if they were written by one Author. There are 44 Authors of which many have never meet one another other before and have lived in completely different regions and completely different times. I believe it is God inspired just as the scriptures say it is.

That is because it was translated together by the same person. I am referring to the King James version. Also, no one knows who this person was or if it was more then on person. If you read other translations this is not the case. However, there are writing differences in the gospels.

Originally posted by Regret
For prophets we believe in?

for modern prophets, preferable living ones.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is because it was translated together by the same person. I am referring to the King James version. Also, no one knows who this person was or if it was more then on person. If you read other translations this is not the case. However, there are writing differences in the gospels.

Good point Shaky, however,...greek is greek and hebrew is hebrew. What is says is what it says.