Originally posted by ValidusMeh.. despite the numerous sexual favours Blair Wind tried to bribe me with I still have to concur with Val and Ill. I'll give reasons... at some point... but they're basically the same as what Ill said, in short I didn't quite believe the strategy(ies) put forward would work.
I'm voting Leo/Kahn but I'm logging off for the night so I'll give my reason tomorrow...........if you still care.
Ok then I know we lost but I do want to clear up somethings that aren't true.
One is the idea that you have to be a Skyfather level being to be able to overcome the enchantment.
EX) When Shatterstart cut Juggie's eye out with his is sword. His sword isn't a high level magical artifact but it was able to overcome his enchantment. Believe it or not mid level magic can effect and temporarly overcome his enchantment for instance making him grow.
Secondly on the idea that Magic can not go through Juggs helemt is false. As shown in the 8th Day Saga by Bedlam. Who used Magic TP to effect Cain through his helemt. Now we know TP can't get through Cain's helmet so only the magic element would have allowed it to do so.
Originally posted by leonidasI wasn't refering to the shield he didn't have it up in any of those events.
in both those cases how do you know for sure his shield was up? you yourself said it was only used very rarely. i remember the shatterstar incident but i don't recall if he definitely had his shield up. i don't know the bedlam incident at all.
What i was getting at is you don't have to be Skyfatehr level in Magic to overcome his enchantment and Magic can get through his helemt.
Basically that we could make Cain bigger and Shaman could attack from inside the helmet.
Originally posted by leonidasWell you would have to do all that before we got one attack off with Shaman 😛
but the issue was his shield was up. if it wasn't, we could have knocked the helmet off, or maybe even manipulated him ourselves. which is why we kept waiting for you to drop the shield . . .
Edit: Besides that is what tehe Judges seemed to be refering to when they discussed their decisions that we couldn't attack out of the helmet or make cain bigger