OK, what if one team had a guy with a kryptonite sword/bullets and claimed he could stab/shoot Superman with it, then the other team says that wont work because Superman is invulnerable.....
In that situation should you speak up and say "hold on a minute, a kryptonite sword/bullet could easily pierce Superman's body" .... or just let them keep arguing that it wont hurt him when you already know that that little piece of info is BS and you wont be influenced by it
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Originally posted by ScooblessIt really would be up to the other team to do it. Plus Superman is well known and even in his bio it lists Superman as being weak to K-Nite so it would be easy to say no. Plus like I said strength of arguements and ability to back it up need to be taken into account. Like I could say Superman is totally unbeatable why because he just is but who would take that as a good arguement a valid arguement.
OK, what if one team had a guy with a kryptonite sword/bullets and claimed he could stab/shoot Superman with it, then the other team says that wont work because Superman is invulnerable.....In that situation should you speak up and say "hold on a minute, a kryptonite sword/bullet could easily pierce Superman's body" .... or just let them keep arguing that it wont hurt him when you already know that that little piece of info is BS and you wont be influenced by it
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Now if said Superman has a high tolerance against a lot of stuff and beats a ton of upper level beings and then posted scans of all of it happening then yes I could say it true. Once again up to the debators to decide not someone outside.
I'm not trying to be a pud but in reality in debates if someone is on the wrong side of an arguement they can still win the debate if they are better just like if someone has the stronger characters but use them poorly the ones with weaker people can still win.
Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, i'lll disagree with both, digi, wholeheartedly. the opponent should KNOW what is being used as bs, or ask for validation if they have doubts. having scoob or anyone else say directly what is wrong is like having scoob or someone else on the team debating. judges SHOULD be a little more active perhaps though -- requesting clarification or proof of something that they are not sure of for instance, to make a well educated decision would be all right.
Which is why I suggested the PM. It's an indirect method that doesn't broadcast it to everyone.
Or Scoob could just keep it to himself 😗 but I didn't think he liked that option.
Originally posted by DigiMark007Yeah trying to get Scoob to not say whats on his mind is like trying to hold the moon you can't do it. 😛
Which is why I suggested the PM. It's an indirect method that doesn't broadcast it to everyone.Or Scoob could just keep it to himself 😗 but I didn't think he liked that option.
Originally posted by illadelph12
I know someone who constantly says "Teh", Digi.Hmm, I wonder...
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The sig is actually really old if that's what you're referring to. It was an experiment with Gimp that was an homage to all the people who use "teh" on the forums.
And I haven't made a sig for ages for myself, so I had to go searching the archives and decided on that.
Originally posted by DigiMark007Come Digi you know you can't wait for it no matter how much headaches you get you know you've been looking forward to this match since the begining 😉
Ha. Mid-week and not a crisis yet. Nice job guys. After last week (and I'm guessing next week too 😬 ) this is a breath of fresh air.
My last 3 posts are gonna be posted tomorrow. I'll be heading to Sacramento Friday morning. Duty calls.
I also want to apologize for the length of the last 3 posts. Each are close to the 10,000 character limit. If things go well, I should be back Sunday night.
Good luck to GF and Psyquis. Good luck to you too Accel. Hopefully we get to battle together one more time in the finals.
play nice . . .? uh-oh . . .
after a little chat with digi, we decided to kick off the OTHER semi-final with a little PRE-MATCH controversy. too bad digi will miss all the fun! i guess we'll just let all possible judges speak on the issue and maybe render THEIR opinions of the situation. and of course anyone else is free to chime in. 😉
now, let me preface by saying i luv bw and nj. and they both hopefully know that. but . . . this is WAR biatches and i've seen alls i can stands and i can't stands no more!! ergo, i'd like to address the legalities of these 'daxamite' "constructs" they have employed and may be employing again. (if you're NOT planning on using them, then read no further!! 😄 )
now, yes, i KNOW they were allowed in the first rd, but that should NOT have any bearing on their being allowed in the next round. i was disappointed that khell didn't question them more than he did. i know at least ONE judge/spectator did however. kahn and i sure as hell did too! so, just because khell ended up accepting them, doesn't mean kahn and i have to.
with that, let's start with a little walk down memory lane. these are excerpted from the rd 2 draft thread:
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Scoob: . . . Looks like Shaman got in but he will not be allowed to pull other characters (or copies of other characters) out of his bag
Unlike in the last tourney, this time you will all be limited to the number of characters set out in the draft
BW: Im cool with that
KHELL: But they aren't duplicates of anyone. So I want it clarified. Is that tactic allowed or not.
VAL: I think we all agreed that only people who would be fighting would be the drafted characters and nothing else they could pull out of their hat...or pouch.
SCOOB: Green Lanterns and Quasar have to keep their concentration on a construct to keep animating it... they don't give them the ability to act independently... which i assume the rock monsters would
SCOOB: Quasar's constructs still exist after he forgets about them... but they can't do anything without someone controlling them
DIGI: I have no problem with the rock monsters. If a few slow-ass, unintelligent golems are worrying people, I'd seriously re-think your strategies boys.
VAL: Are those scans the best example of the rock monsters? If so I don't really see the cause for complaint.
KHELL: Yes, and one of the rules was NO LOOPHOLES. I'm just pushing a suggestion that closes down one of those loopholes.
NJ: The problem is that the rock giants are nothing more than an attack they may be able to move on their own but its not like they have great intellects. They are not a loophole Digi stated himself that they were ok as soon as he said Loki's dragon clouds things weren't breaking the limits.
Basically if you do this then your singling out one power in particular and saying that banned powers can work on them. Those powers are banned for reasons and if you allow then to be used in any reason then it is unfair to the team employing them because your singleing out their attack. Thus rises the question of why can't we do it to all attacks against us or why can't we simply effect the environment with these banned powers to beat them as we aren't directly fighting them.
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i will go ahead and give some immediate props to both khell and scoob. both of them seemed to have an inkling that something bad would come from the decision to allow independent constructs to be used. and i give nj and bw props on . . . sneakiness, because the irony of course is that bw and nj were never really arguing for SHAMAN! the constructs they were so slyly trying to sneak in were kyle's. let's look back at digi's comment:
DIGI: I have no problem with the rock monsters. If a few slow-ass, unintelligent golems are worrying people, I'd seriously re-think your strategies boys.
okay, so now we know that we're NOT talking about "a few slow-ass, unintelligent golems", rather we're talking about HIGHLY intelligent, speed-sharing, gl ring-wearing, superman strength having, DAXAMITES!!
based on that ALONE, and this:
KHELL: Yes, and one of the rules was NO LOOPHOLES. I'm just pushing a suggestion that closes down one of those loopholes.
yep -- NO LOOPHOLES!! i'd say having found a way to sneak in independent constructs based on the assumption that they were rock golems or unintelligent loki-made dragons, would fall under the "it's time to neuter this bullshite under the NO LOOPHOLES clause!!" i think it was pretty clear (and anyone can go back and read the thread for themselves) what was INTENDED to be allowed. can you imagine if one of shaman's powers was he could reach in his bag and pull out 5 power-ring wielding speed-sharing daxamites???? think THAT would have got through . . . come on . . .
if the fact that they SNUCK these things past the rules isn't enough, there is of course one OTHER little issue . . .
KYLE HAS NEVER BEEN SHOWN TO BE ABLE TO CONSCIOUSLY CREATE CONSTRUCTS LIKE THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the imaginary glc he created in the circle of fire mini was done UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY WITHOUT KYLE'S KNOWLEDGE, EFFORT, OR CONSENT!! and why were they created in the first place? to battle this little fellow -- whom kyle's ring ALSO brought into being WITHOUT kyle's knowledge, effort or consent:
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oblivion4qu3.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oblivion5so5.jpg
the oblivion entity CRUSHED the jla. now, if kyle can make his daxamites in the tournament, why wouldn't he just bring in this bad boy? because oblivion is above the powerlevel limit? not good enough. he should STILL be able to bring him out -- maybe at a lower level or something?? but i cannot imagine anyone would okay oblivion. the glc was made to help defeat that being. but how independent were they and how absolutely certain was kyle that he summoned from from different times and different dimensions?
http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=death1ga3.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=death2oh8.jpg
kyle actually believed one of them was KILLED!!! he had NO CLUE he created (actually the ring did it on it's own . . . without kyle's asking it to) them at all. and even when he DID find out he had no conscious control over them and had to practically beg them to re-enter his mind. why? because they were killing him being outside him!! they weren't just constructs, they were FACETS OF HIS PERSONALITY.
http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=subconscious1gv3.jpg
these were NOT your run-of-the-mill constructs. they were not made through anything kyle consciously did. could he recreate them in the tournament? sure, as any REGULAR construct. could he consciously recreate them so they are independent?? NO!!! not unless i see some proof. and NO that battle against that 'god' where kyle copied himself and made the god think it was him is ABSOLUTLEY NOT the same thing!! why? because if you look at his scan, it is clear at the end that the construct fully understood and knew it WAS just a construct. we also have no proof it acted independently because we don't see kyle until AFTER the fight. he was hidden and more than likely was controlling the construct. at the very least there is again ZERO proof that that copy acted independently in any way at all. so, no, that scan is NOT good enough evidence that kyle can create independent constructs.
now bw's favourite quote seems to be that batman quote saying the ring can do "anything." then . . . if that's true, why is it that gl's were even ALLOWED in the tournament?? as has been proven time and again, gl's are NOT invincible, so no, it cannot do 'anything'. one thing it can't do: consciously create independent constructs. those constructs in circle of fire fooled EVERYONE!! they were in almost everyway REAL people. kyle cannot do that consciously: at least bw and nj have shown no evidence to support that claim.
lastly, if you need yet ANOTHER reason to disallow them: those special constructs were reabsorbed into kyle (remember they were less constructs and more manifestations of his personality that kyle couldn't live without) and USED in kyle's mind to keep oblivion trapped!!
http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trappednn0.jpg
so if he DID decide to try and consciously set them free again . . . OBLIVION would also be set free!!
if they say they are not making the "SAME" exact constructs, then i want to know which facets of kyle's personality he is going to imbue them with to 'make them real'??
to sum up: the constructs were not 'typical' constructs. they were made real without his consent, knowledge or effort. one went so far as to get killed and kyle STILL didn't know they came from his ring. bw and nj have never shown evidence kyle can create anything like them consciously (i already discarded the kyle copy against the god). without the personality facets (that what they were) kyle was dying. and on top of all that, they are being used to keep in oblivion. ANOTHER personality facet.
they tried to 'sneak' these constructs in by making it seem like we were allowing unintelligent golems or dragons, and they somehow got through the first round without even having to show evidence that kyle could even MAKE them!!! for both those reasons and everything listed above, i would like the judges to invoke the 'NO LOOPHOLES CLAUSE' and ban those ridiculous 'constructs'.
well done to bw and nj for getting through as far as they did. but i trust they'll need to be a little more convincing if they are to be allowed to use them in the NEXT round. 😉
the prosecution rests. 😄
Nice Leo going back over everything I have been doing the same thing to make sure everything done within the next match is within the legaity of everything stated.
The problem with using Scoob was that he was also the one who said well we will limit the number later on to five so he eventually ended up allowing them in just for your knowledge Leo 😉
Secondly Leo oblivion wouldn't be used because he would possibly was over the limit so he would be banned none of the Daxamite cinstructs break the limits. BW also explained that wasn't a one time thing and Kyle has done something simliar as well. The daxamites break no ruling made. As well Kyle has gotten better with the ring and if he knows he could do it then why wouldn't he be able to duplicate the same effect if he knows he can.
Rings are able to do anything depending on the ability of the GL using it to be creative enough to coneive of it and has the reserve to do it.
so if he DID decide to try and consciously set them free again . . . OBLIVION would also be set free!!I especially like this quote Leo. Your telling me that we couldn't use them because Oblivion would be set free seems to me this is a tourny Leo and not an actual comicbook I doubt Digi would allow Oblivion to be set free 🙄 so the Daxamites can come out as normal Leo.if they say they are not making the "SAME" exact constructs, then i want to know which facets of kyle's personality he is going to imbue them with to 'make them real'??
Leo man your cool and I got no beef with you but I think your scared. I can see the sweat dropping from your forehead. I can smell it the stench of fear on you. 😆
No but seriously Kyle did it with his mind whether you want to believe it or not he did and that means if he really wanted to why would he not be able to duplicate something he has already done and since none of them break anything they aren't banned plain and simple Leo. Besides if you beat Kyle they go away anyways.
