Originally posted by C-Dic I don't cite reasons for the sake of knocking a movie. I know what I saw, and forced oral sex is as much rape as penentration. They both got raped, and it effected me on a personal level. [/B]
And if the film disturbed you so much, didn't Aja accomplish his goal?
What's the point when a characters depravity has already been established? He crossed the line, IMO, and it's just incredibly disrespectful to throw something like that in a "horror" movie that's in national release.
Apparently, rape has never been a personal issue with these directors, otherwise, they'd know how personally devistating it can be.
Originally posted by C-Dic Apparently, rape has never been a personal issue with these directors, otherwise, they'd know how personally devistating it can be. [/B]
I don't get that.
The more depraved, disturbing, shocking, vulgar, blasphemous/sacreligious, and/or gory the movie is.....................the better I like it. Call me one-sided, but I like violence and disturbing shit like that in a horror film. But all that alone can't make for a good horror flick. But it sure does make it fun!
Originally posted by C-Dic
What's the point when a characters depravity has already been established? He crossed the line, IMO, and it's just incredibly disrespectful to throw something like that in a "horror" movie that's in national release.Apparently, rape has never been a personal issue with these directors, otherwise, they'd know how personally devistating it can be.
It's these types of feelings that make rape such a valid action in horror films. It's one of the most horrifying and terrible acts imaginable, along with murder, thus it belongs in horror films, along with murder.
As was pointed out, murder can be just as personal, if not more so, to people who have experienced it first hand. This doesn't mean that murder shouldn't be shown in a horror film, right? You can't expect these directors to just throw out every event that would offend or upset someone, on the contrary, as horror film makers its their job to upset the audience, hence the name of the genre - Horror.
I believe that the more unnerving, upsetting, ugly and unsettling the acts in a horror movie are, the more respectful the horror movie is being to the victims of those acts. Sugar coating the acts, using convenient cuts or fades to 'spare' the audience the full impact of those acts is far more disrespectful to the true horror and pain those actions have caused people in real life. Violence is ugly, it's not fun or inticing, and it should be portraid as ugly in films, especially in horror films.
What's a worse offense, a rape scene that is sickening and depraved, or one that is standable and suger coated? I'd say the sugar coated one.
A scene of implied rape would have been more effective and less offensive because you can draw your own conclusion, but to follow through with the act, IMO, is tasteless, and what's even more disturbing is that you guys can sit and try and justify a teenage girl and mother being raped on screen as ****ing entertainment.
Who's place is it to do what here? It's pretentious as hell for Hollywood to assume that that's what people want to see. Personally, I saw those acts in this movie as a mask for a boring, simplistic plot. A needless remake of an already overrated Horror film. That's my unbiased opinion, not a bashing tirade. Same goes for the first 55 minutes of jump scares. Just a load of shitty typical horror elements to keep people interested so that they could delve into some depravity in lieu of anything palpable, and then stick you with lookalikes of Chunk and the blob from "Blade" with bad dialogue.
I didn't want to ask this, but if/when your girlfriends or mothers are violated at the hands of a stranger, will you hope it makes its way into a movie? Will you just say "that's life"? I'm not going to participate in this thread anymore after this, guys. We're obviously not going to ever see eye to eye, I don't respect or understand any of your reasoning, and that's probably because multiple rape has never been an issue in your life.
People don't see movies to be upset, they go to be entertained or enlightened. People know murder is ugly. People know rape is devistating, They need horror movies to remind them? They need director's to tell them how depraved rapists are? Director's assume THEY know how soul-crushing those acts can be?
That's not how I roll. Rape wasn't a necessary plot device, and especially not twice. Those people were merely trying to survive, and that's all they needed.
You've said that you're not going to respond, which makes this an exercise in futility, but here goes...
Originally posted by C-DicWho's place is it to do what here? It's pretentious as hell for Hollywood to assume that that's what people want to see.
I think it's reasonable for Hollywood to assume that people going to see an R-rated film (so rated for "strong gruesome violence and terror throughout"😉 are prepared to deal with, well, strong gruesome violence. Evidently they're right, judging from the box office results of THHE.
Originally posted by C-Dic I didn't want to ask this, but if/when your girlfriends or mothers are violated at the hands of a stranger, will you hope it makes its way into a movie? Will you just say "that's life"?.
Of course not. I may avoid films that depict acts of rape, but I certainly wouldn't deem a film worthless because of it. (All hypothetical, of course, as there's no way of knowing until it actually happens). My problem with your position is that you seem to want to censor all cinematic rape due to its offensiveness.
I reiterate my previous question: is murder somehow not offensive? Showing murder on screen could be upsetting and disturbing to the families of murder victims, so should depictions of murder be banned?
Originally posted by C-Dic People don't see movies to be upset, they go to be entertained or enlightened. People know murder is ugly.
Because you know what the entire moviegoing public wants 🙄. Being upset, scared, disturbed, offended, etc. is the entire point of watching horror films.
Originally posted by C-Dic
It didn't disturb me. It offended me, and that's hard to do when you're a fan of trash cinema. There are limits. Raping new mothers is where I draw the line.
Originally posted by Impediment
The more depraved, disturbing, shocking, vulgar, blasphemous/sacreligious, and/or gory the movie is.....................the better I like it. Call me one-sided, but I like violence and disturbing shit like that in a horror film. But all that alone can't make for a good horror flick. But it sure does make it fun!
Originally posted by Suleyman
You've said that you're not going to respond, which makes this an exercise in futility, but here goes...
I'm not going to participate in this thread anymore after this, guys.
..but I am, just to answer rebuttals. I lost my long reply since my computer crashed, so here's the short and sweet. I don't know what people want to see when they go to the movies, but it's not the rape of a lactating mother, considering how many mothers come to be today because of rape in the first place, and abortion being a hot topic issue. It's as insensitive as it comes when pertaining to movie making. We're jaded to murder because it's all around us. You don't see new mothers and teenage girls being anally raped on television.
So, I've gathered that rape is awesome, people like to be offended by movies, and sexually violating young mothers is alright with movie goers.
Sometimes I'm ashamed to be part of these forums.
Horror movies aren't about what people want to see, it's about what people don't want to see but what they can't ignore. Despite your opinions, the goal of every real horror movie is to upset and unnerve, whether it be through murder or rape, both are in the same boat.
No, you don't see mothers and teenage girls being anally raped on TV, but you sure do hear about it every night on the news. Rape is all around us, just as murder is. It's naive to think filmmakers aren't going to comment on that particular act just because it's immensely ugly.
You say the rape wasn't a necessary plot device. Maybe. It was used to increase the villainy of the mutants and make us hate them more and enjoy seeing them get what they had coming.
Originally posted by C-Dic
We're jaded to murder because it's all around us.
Originally posted by C-Dic
So, I've gathered that rape is awesome, people like to be offended by movies, and sexually violating young mothers is alright with movie goers.
Originally posted by C-Dic
Sometimes I'm ashamed to be part of these forums.