Originally posted by Alliance
Not everyone agrees that he existed...and that question is about as pertinant as: Was Alliance a Liar, Lunatic, or lord?
Common Alliance, He is a Historical Fact 馃檨 Who cares if people believe He existed or not. Even the non-Christian historians wrote about Him in the first century. So it goes back too the same question:
Was Jesus a Liar, Lunatic or Lord?
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Even the non-Christian historians wrote about Him in the first century. So it goes back too the same question:Was Jesus a Liar, Lunatic or Lord?
Really???? Historians of that time.........They never said he was god.
Josephus, Arrian, Philo-Judaeus, Petronius, Seneca, Dion Pruseus,
Pliny the Elder, Paterculus, Suetonius, Appian, Juvenal, Theon of Smyran,
Martial, Phlegon, Persius, Pompon Mela, Plutarch, Quintius Curtius,
Justus of Tiberius, Lucian, Apollonius, Pausanias, Pliny the Younger,
Valerius Flaccus, Tacitus, Florus Lucius, Quintilian, Favorinus,
Jucanus, Phaedrus, Epictetus, Damis, Silius Italicus, Aulus Gellius, Statius,
Columella, Ptolemy, Dio Chrysostom, Hermogones, Lysias, and Valerius.
Originally posted by debbiejo
People use that book a lot to prove he IS lord........But Jesus was only a man, if he did exist. However, the church made him lord if they'll only research the church doctrines.....They are published and called "The Original Documents of the Christian Church."....
I must say debbiejo, you appear to be very informed...I just question your source of information. 馃槷
Originally posted by debbiejo
Really???? Historians of that time.........They never said he was god.Josephus, Arrian, Philo-Judaeus, Petronius, Seneca, Dion Pruseus,
Pliny the Elder, Paterculus, Suetonius, Appian, Juvenal, Theon of Smyran,
Martial, Phlegon, Persius, Pompon Mela, Plutarch, Quintius Curtius,
Justus of Tiberius, Lucian, Apollonius, Pausanias, Pliny the Younger,
Valerius Flaccus, Tacitus, Florus Lucius, Quintilian, Favorinus,
Jucanus, Phaedrus, Epictetus, Damis, Silius Italicus, Aulus Gellius, Statius,
Columella, Ptolemy, Dio Chrysostom, Hermogones, Lysias, and Valerius.
Your spinning again debbiejo, the statement was that some didn't believe Jesus existed. And you and I know that is a futile argument. 馃ぃ
Originally posted by debbiejo
Really???? Historians of that time.........They never said he was god.Josephus, Arrian, Philo-Judaeus, Petronius, Seneca, Dion Pruseus,
Pliny the Elder, Paterculus, Suetonius, Appian, Juvenal, Theon of Smyran,
Martial, Phlegon, Persius, Pompon Mela, Plutarch, Quintius Curtius,
Justus of Tiberius, Lucian, Apollonius, Pausanias, Pliny the Younger,
Valerius Flaccus, Tacitus, Florus Lucius, Quintilian, Favorinus,
Jucanus, Phaedrus, Epictetus, Damis, Silius Italicus, Aulus Gellius, Statius,
Columella, Ptolemy, Dio Chrysostom, Hermogones, Lysias, and Valerius.
It has been found that references that Josephus allegedly made to Jesus were forgeries that were added some 300 years after the time of Jesus and Josephus.
Originally posted by JustbyfaithThe book was put out by the Oxford University Press and traces the roots with all documents and all denominations with all of their council meetings, Papal writings, from Catholicism to all of Protestantism, including Muslims.
I must say debbiejo, you appear to be very informed...I just question your source of information. 馃槷
Writings such as the Synod of Arles, Council of Orange, Eucharistic Doctrine, Tertullian, , Conciliar Movement, Scholasticism, Church in England until the Reformation, the Second Vatican Council, British churches in the Sevteenth Century..., Puritans,Presbterianism, Westminster Confession of Faith..blah blah blah......every document that had ever been published by any faith up to the year of about 1997.....
It has been found that references that Josephus allegedly made to Jesus were forgeries that were added some 300 years after the time of Jesus and Josephus.True...If you read through Josephus works you will see that the ONE paragraph breaks the flow of what he was describing at the time, which was the Jewish war....Now earlier copies don't have this paragraph in it...and the way it was written was as it was written by a christiian, which Josephus WAS NOT...He would of never call Jesus the Christ or anything of that nature........and if he did believe he was of some supernatural person, I'm sure he would of volumns on it....don't you think??
Originally posted by debbiejo
The book was put out by the Oxford University Press and traces the roots with all documents and all denominations with all of their council meetings, Papal writings, from Catholicism to all of Protestantism, including Muslims.Writings such as the Synod of Arles, Council of Orange, Eucharistic Doctrine, Tertullian, , Conciliar Movement, Scholasticism, Church in England until the Reformation, the Second Vatican Council, British churches in the Sevteenth Century..., Puritans,Presbterianism, Westminster Confession of Faith..blah blah blah......every document that had ever been published by any faith up to the year of about 1997.....
I will stick with the Bible for my truth and accuracy.
"Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him"
Proverbs 30:5
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
I will stick with the Bible for my truth and accuracy."Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him"
Proverbs 30:5
You ignore every other source in the world...thats pretty blatant ignorance imo.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Can I ask...what denomination are you........just curious??
Protestant-
Faith in Jesus alone. Not by self effort but by Christ alone I am grateful and have been changed from an alcoholic/druggy to someone who loves people and is free from the lies and traps of the Devil.
Originally posted by Alliance
Thats why you fail. The bible is only the word od god to those who believe he wrote it. There is no evidence your god wrote it. It is not viewed by scholars to be accurate. It is only infallible to fundamentalists such as yourself. Fundamentalist usually arent credible...many terrorists are fundamentalists (ETA, IRA, AlQueda).You ignore every other source in the world...thats pretty blatant ignorance imo.
Fair enough Alliance. But since we are on a Religion Thread, I will put my trust in my book called the bible. You place your trust where you wish sir.
Originally posted by JustbyfaithI'm not saying I'm full of Intelligence as in a know it all............Intelligence to me is what we are all part of....you can call it god, bob, spot, Barney, Winny the Poo....I could care less.... ..........I don't care what name you call it........It just is.....imo.
"Professing to be wise they became fools and changed the glory of the incorruptable God into an image made like corruptable man and birds and four footed animals and creeping things."Romans 1:22-23