Besides the reason that Joker is a good villan is because he's insane, twisted and unpredicitble. Not smart ❌
There is nothing Joker can do to the FF to hurt them. ❌
Ben squishes his head in.
Johnny turns him to ashes.
Reed twists around him so tight that he falls in half.
Sue puts a bubble in his brain.
End of Story 😐
Originally posted by Grimm22
Besides the reason that Joker is a good villan is because he's insane, twisted and unpredicitble. Not smart ❌There is nothing Joker can do to the FF to hurt them. ❌
Ben squishes his head in.
Johnny turns him to ashes.
Reed twists around him so tight that he falls in half.
Sue puts a bubble in his brain.
End of Story 😐
Are you f*ckin kidding me? If you want to call Joker "not smart," you might as well call Batman a "dumbass" as well. Serious underestimation of Joker here. Let's just drop the subject of the FF for one minute here. It's obvious they kick his ass all day long. However, are you seriously trying to tell me that Joker is not smart? Pfffft. 🙄 That's like saying the Hulk isn't strong.
Originally posted by TheKahnAssuming he didn't waste away his time, in a literal handful of minutes he developed a plot and took over the western hemisphere before.
I just have a hard time figuring out what exactly the Joker could come up with in a week that would win the fight for him. All the FF have to do is get Sue to create a force bubble in his brain or have Johnny use a nova blast to end the fight in a matter of seconds. Now maybe explosives or gas attacks would work if the FF didn't have any time to defend themselves from them, but Sue should be able to protect them from just about anything I can imagine the Joker can throw at them.But I may be underestimating the Joker here. 😬 Exactly what resources does he have to work with?
Originally posted by batdude123
And Grimm22 thinks he's not smart. 🙄
Im not saying that he isnt smart, but his smarts mainly come from his insanity 😐
I mean its obvious that he is smart, considering he is able to make all these poisin flowers and gases and whatnot.
Joker's insanity allows him to go beyond normal human levels of intelligence 😉
Originally posted by Grimm22
Im not saying that he isnt smart, but his smarts mainly come from his insanity 😐I mean its obvious that he is smart, considering he is able to make all these poisin flowers and gases and whatnot.
Joker's insanity allows him to go beyond normal human levels of intelligence 😉
You stated "Not because he's a genius, because he's insane" which implies that he is insane but not smart. 😐 That's what threw me off.
Jeez. This thread shouldn't reach 4 pages now.
I'm suprised at the amount of Joker cock-stroking happening in thise thread. Joker = batman now huh? Well if you guys say yes, then ask yourselves who'll win with batman vs. FF and you'll see clearly the clown doesn't have a friggin chance. FF has too many gadgets just lying around as old junk in the baxter building that could take care of anything joker can come up with on his own. period.
Originally posted by Soljer
Tell me, then, are you arguing that the Joker could take this? 🤨
Well, Batdude is just saying that Reed doesn't know Joker particularly well. For example, in The Amazing Spiderman- Happy Birthday Arc- Reed jumped to conclusions and almost got everyone killed by reconstituting Dorammu on accident while trying to imprison the Mindless Ones. That mistake almost created an alternate future where everybody got killed by Dorammu (you can actually see Thor dead in that splash page).
Dr.Strange - "You are seeing the moments before Dorammu arrived, and the future after all were slain trying to stop him. But for the moment it still remains a possible future."
Luckily, Dr.Strange used everything he had to push Spidey back in time and stop Reed from messing up.
So, the point is, Reed doesn't know Joker that well and it is very plausible that he could screw up, and end up having a bigger fight on his hands. Batman knows how Joker thinks, thus, never gets in that kind of predicament. Also, despite Reed's scientific genius, I don't think he could calculate the moves of an insane clown. He doesn't think like 2 + 2 = 5, heck, he has trouble believing in magic. Luckily, the Fantastic Four is very, very powerful. So they win 7/10.
So...according to you...
Dormammu = Joker?
Reed could never screw up as bad with Joker that he could end up dead. ESPECIALLY with entire Fantastic Four at his side. Seriously, tell me what Joker could come up on his own that Fantastic Four couldn't counter? Especially when they have time to get whatever they want from Baxter Building?
[QUOTE=6762445]Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So...according to you...
Dormammu = Joker?
No, just that Reed can conceivably screw up against the unpredictable.
Reed could never screw up as bad with Joker that he could end up dead. ESPECIALLY with entire Fantastic Four at his side.
Well, he had Spidey, Cyclops, Thor, Thing, and Iron Man on his side when he was tricked into unleashing Dorammu... who then ended up killing them all in the alternate timeline where Dr.Strange didn't send Spidey back to warn Reeds, so... it is "conceivable" that the FF could at least lose (not die, I said lose).
Seriously, tell me what Joker could come up on his own that Fantastic Four couldn't counter? Especially when they have time to get whatever they want from Baxter Building?
Of course FF could counter what Joker comes up with. But it's not going to be an easy 'Wham Bam Thank You Mam"-type breeze. Joker is unpredictable; if he got his hands on some magic, then the FF could feasibly have to regroup after a loss.
Like I said though, this is all theoretical and the FF are really strong, so they still take the majority.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But when Joker doesn't have anything that the FF can't counter (I doubt that he has very powerful magic, if magic at all). I have hard time believeing that he can achive anything in a week. Maybe if he had a month.
Hmm..you're right. Joker could probably do it in a month or something, a week is too soon.