Heralds v JLA PtII

He can analyze and manipulate matter and energy, and restructure or animate matter at will, even transmuting the elements. He can heal living beings (though he cannot raise the dead), and has proven capable of revitalizing or evolving organic life on a planetwide scale. He can alter the size of himself or of other matter, cast illusions, manipulate gravity, absorb and discharge most forms of energy, fire energy blasts, form and manipulate energy constructs, and can phase through solid matter. Now some of those a GL can do, but not all. 😄

I dont know why you people are arquing about SS not being able to speedblits, everyone can speedblits but it would depend on your opponennts, if they are more stronger or have some sufficient ability to block your blits, then you wouldnt be able to proceed the blits. SS is very fast and posesses over 100 class strength, he could easily speedblits over the X-men but would not be able to do it against say Darkseid or Thanos who posesses capabilities above him.

Regarding this fight majority is won by Jla, Morg and Terrax posesses incredible strength however they mostly rely on their brute strength as shown on all their fight which would be quite a disadvantage fighting this versatile Char. Firelord, Nova and SS have more of a chance ko'ing some of this char. I dont really know much on some of the Jlas Char. to fully give a better opinion.

Regarding the fight with Thor and SS, I say he didnt go all out, because he was there to help a friend, and he wasnt really injured at Thors attack as stated by Warlock event dough he fall unconcious.

Originally posted by batdude123
He can analyze and manipulate matter and energy, and restructure or animate matter at will, even transmuting the elements. He can heal living beings (though he cannot raise the dead), and has proven capable of revitalizing or evolving organic life on a planetwide scale. He can alter the size of himself or of other matter, cast illusions, manipulate gravity, absorb and discharge most forms of energy, fire energy blasts, form and manipulate energy constructs, and can phase through solid matter. Now some of those a GL can do, but not all. 😄

Originally posted by Validus
Nice copy and paste from wikipedia. GL's have done all of those before.

No, actually I got from my Marvel encyclopedia smartass. 😄 No, GLs have not done all that before. 🙄

Change the lineup and we have a battle. Add Stephen to the heralds, as well as Stardust and BRB. Since the JLA apparently has people who were on the JSA, rather than JLA. Make it fair people.

adding more people to the heralds lineup would make it a crushing defeat rather then just a simple victory😛

er, all of them have been jla members in the past. and it's HERALDS, uni. uni my man, if you don't like the thread . . . 🙁

it's been given some decent discussion though. 😉

Dr.Fate was a JLA member Post crisis?? If so, my bad.

Here's some more stuff a GL can't do:

His (Silver Surfer) senses enable him to detect objects and energies light years away, and to perceive matter and energy in a subatomic detail; he can even see through time, and with concentration can achieve limited perception of past and future events in his general vicinity. The Surfer has demonstrated limited telepathic ability on occasion, and has proven able to influence human emotion and sensation.

If the heralds are written to use even a 3rd of their more exotic powers they'd turn JLA into grapefruit

yep. quite a while ago, but i was just looking for a closer fight. the point of the thread was to try and show that just because they're heralds doesn't mean they win EVERYTIME against just top-tier heroes.

sometimes the top tier guys can play hardball too. 😄

Originally posted by superbatman86
If the heralds are written to use even a 3rd of their more exotic powers they'd turn JLA into grapefruit

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Originally posted by Accel
If I see someone run or fly into someone else really fast, I consider that a speed blitz. If Surfer were to to that to Superman, it wouldn't necessarily work due to Supes's durability. If he were to do it to Zatanna, however, it would most likely kill her.

In that case, anyone could do that. Run really fast with a fist out. Zatanna included.

*pots*

Simple as that.

Originally posted by superbatman86
If the heralds are written to use even a 3rd of their more exotic powers they'd turn JLA into grapefruit

Or Dr. Fate sends them to his own dimension. 🙄

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
In that case, anyone could do that. Run really fast with a fist out. Zatanna included.

*pots*

Simple as that.

Um what the hell is an IMP from Flash then, not much else, but its there.

Originally posted by Soleran
So speedblitz! What do you want someone to hold your hand and say that, I am failing to see your point.

So we have seen SS do it several times now, you have even acknowledged it but you refute it becuase its not a superman ss? What is it exactly?

Regardless, if they move that fast its fairly safe to believe they can think that fast and thats where the win comes from with their powersets.

"Fairly safe to say", is different that it has been shown.

It hasn't, and your so called "example" is dubious.

Show something...

Originally posted by batdude123
No, actually I got from my Marvel encyclopedia smartass. 😄 No, GLs have not done all that before. 🙄

Revitalizing matter on a planetary scale? Kyle Rayner and Kilowog in the Rann/Thanagar war.

Alter his size or others? John Stewart in recent JLA Classified. Hal and Kyle numerous times. Kyle once changed his own DNA giving himself natural super powers for a short time.

Cast illusions? Hal Jordan Vs Hector Hammond

Manipulate gravity? Hal usually does this when he schools Dr. Polaris. Polaris once absorbed all magnetic energy in the universe and he still couldn't beat Hal.

Absorbing and firing energy? Constructs? Phasing? Obvious abilities.

Detect objects and energies light years away? Ring does it for him. Read Cosmic Odyssey

Perceive matter and energy in a subatomic detail? Again, ring does it for him. Hal did this during a Pre-IC issue with his nephew.

He can even see through time? Hal has traveled through time.

Demonstrated limited telepathic ability on occasion? Green Lantern: Mosaic #5 or 6? I forget.

Seriously, you're not about to school me in GL knowledge or anything like that.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
"Fairly safe to say", is different that it has been shown.

It hasn't, and your so called "example" is dubious.

Show something...

No its not safe to say, thats simply your interpretation. Something has been shown stop sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich🙂 You don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't count.

Originally posted by Soleran
Um what the hell is an IMP from Flash then, not much else, but its there.

Flash has far more fighting speed feats than SS or any herald.

Still waiting for your examples....with over 30 years under his belt, you should have a lot more than "it's fairly safe to say..."

Originally posted by Validus
Transmutating elements is done every issue. Their costumes? That's matter manipulation.

Revitalizing matter on a planetary scale? Kyle Rayner and Kilowog in the Rann/Thanagar war.

Alter his size or others? John Stewart in recent JLA Classified. Hal and Kyle numerous times. Kyle once changed his own DNA giving himself natural super powers for a short time.

Cast illusions? Hal Jordan Vs Hector Hammond

Manipulate gravity? Hal usually does this when he schools Dr. Polaris. Polaris once absorbed all magnetic energy in the universe and he still couldn't beat Hal.

Absorbing and firing energy? Constructs? Phasing? Obvious abilities.

Detect objects and energies light years away? Ring does it for him. Read Cosmic Odyssey

Perceive matter and energy in a subatomic detail? Again, ring does it for him. Hal did this during a Pre-IC issue with his nephew.

He can even see through time? Hal has traveled through time.

Demonstrated limited telepathic ability on occasion? Green Lantern: Mosaic #5 or 6? I forget.

Seriously, you're not about to school me in GL knowledge or anything like that.

Have they traveled millions of times the speed of light?