Originally posted by Wild Shadow
anyways SAS combat training is actual combat training
Agreed.... in the sense that most SAS candidates, prior to joining the SAS, have been on the front line and are combat experienced.
You must serve a minimum of 2 years before you are eligible for SAS selection.
*I was in the British Army for 5 years and worked with many SF units (SAS, SBS & SRR)
Originally posted by Wild ShadowHave you seen Navy Seal training? 😕
hmm.. i would pick the SAS over Delta Force i never put much stock in american combat training no matter how elite it claims to be especially when u see these turds running around they just disappoint you.anyways SAS combat training is actual combat training not some sissy americanized let me pamper ur @$$ and you think ur being rigorously trained b/c the worse you got as a kid was a stern lecture and a time out..
Originally posted by Mindset
Have you seen Navy Seal training? 😕
I have, it's tough....very tough - but also very specific. They are the best in their field and would not perform too well in conventional environments (as good as the parent unit they came from).
Seal Team 6 (or DEVGRU) are comparable to the British SBS, although the SBS are also able to take on the role of an SAS unit as they both go through the same selection and training. (SBS then go on to become amphibious and mountain warfare experts)
However, Seals are not able to take on the role of Delta Force units and are therefore not as versatile.
Still, the Seals are pretty tough mo-fo's - IMHO there is too much "shouting therapy" going on for a Special Forces training wing.
In Britain, the special forces candidates do not need any further discipline and "bullsh*t" training, this you would only find in basic training.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
hmm.. i would pick the SAS over Delta Force i never put much stock in american combat training no matter how elite it claims to be especially when u see these turds running around they just disappoint you.anyways SAS combat training is actual combat training not some sissy americanized let me pamper ur @$$ and you think ur being rigorously trained b/c the worse you got as a kid was a stern lecture and a time out..
Two words, Ram Bo.
Originally posted by BulletFossWhat do you mean conventional environments?
I have, it's tough....very tough - but also very specific. They are the best in their field and would not perform too well in conventional environments (as good as the parent unit they came from).Seal Team 6 (or DEVGRU) are comparable to the British SBS, although the SBS are also able to take on the role of an SAS unit as they both go through the same selection and training. (SBS then go on to become amphibious and mountain warfare experts)
However, Seals are not able to take on the role of Delta Force units and are therefore not as versatile.
Still, the Seals are pretty tough mo-fo's - IMHO there is too much "shouting therapy" going on for a Special Forces training wing.
In Britain, the special forces candidates do not need any further discipline and "bullsh*t" training, this you would only find in basic training.
DEVGRU is just a smaller organization within the Seals.
Edit: Actually, I need to make a correction, they are a Naval Special forces group, but I think they are a separate entity from the Seals. In any case Navy Seals != DEVGRU
Originally posted by Mindset
What do you mean conventional environments?DEVGRU is just a smaller organization within the Seals.
Edit: Actually, I need to make a correction, they are a Naval Special forces group, but I think they are a separate entity from the Seals. In any case Navy Seals != DEVGRU
Conventional really describes "standard" combat, but in an SF sense this would include being outnumbered or deep behind enemy lines.
DEVGRU/Seal Team 6 are an elite division of the Seals. In the same way the SBS are an elite unit within the Royal Marines Commandos.
US Marines are like the British Parachute Regiment (what makes the grass grow, blood blood blood!!)
US Rangers are comparable to the British Royal Green Jackets
Ironically, British Marines are a similar class of soldier to the US Airborne infantry, although the roles are totally different, they somewhat share a more intellectual property which other units seems to lack (in exchange for a psychopath like mentality).
Actually the Royal Marines share the same role as the Navy Seals.
Tomaytoes - Tomartoes
Originally posted by BulletFossThat's exactly what Navy Seals do.
Conventional really describes "standard" combat, but in an SF sense this would include being outnumbered or deep behind enemy lines.DEVGRU/Seal Team 6 are an elite division of the Seals. In the same way the SBS are an elite unit within the Royal Marines Commandos.
US Marines are like the British Parachute Regiment (what makes the grass grow, blood blood blood!!)
US Rangers are comparable to the British Royal Green Jackets
Ironically, British Marines are a similar class of soldier to the US Airborne infantry, although the roles are totally different, they somewhat share a more intellectual property which other units seems to lack (in exchange for a psychopath like mentality).
Actually the Royal Marines share the same role as the Navy Seals.
Tomaytoes - Tomartoes
Direct Action (DA) refers to small-unit, short-duration strike operations to destroy, seize, capture, recover, or inflict damage on facilities or personnel in denied areas overseas. This may take place on land, or at sea against targets such as oil platforms or ships. DA operations include raids, ambush, sabotage, and direct assault. They may be accomplished with explosives or hand-held weapons. SEALs also conduct standoff attacks from the ground, ships or aircraft, and hand-held laser guidance for aircraft or precision weapons strikes. Targets are always of strategic or operational importance, and may be struck in advance of the start of declared hostilities.
Seals are a special forces unit just like Delta Force, except they are from the Naval branch, they are the US equivalent to the SBS.
DEVGRU is not really an elite unit of Navy Seals, they are one of the Seal teams, or they used to be, they just perform a specific task.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_seals
MSOR is probably equivalent to the Royal Marines.
Sorry to say, but you guys are missing the best of the best here.
The SAS, Delta, ST6, etc. all are elite groups, but they still are not the best... Not even Delta, who's probably the best out of those three.
CIA has their own paramilitary Special Operations Group, or SOG. They have gone in before other soldiers in every war the U.S. has been involved in since Vietnam (it might be since WWII, but I can't remember).
They are easily superior to Delta or SAS. In fact, CIA SOG recruits from Delta. So to get into SOG, you might have to get into the Army Green Berets, then get asked to join Delta, make Delta, then get asked to join CIA SOG, and then actually make CIA SOG. You'd have to be beyond bad*ss at that point.
From the book "Special OPS: America's elite forces in 21st century combat":
"Highly classified, the SAD is regarded as the preeminent special operations unit in the world. Members are the elite of the elite; "the best period." This results from the sources from which the organization recruits its members: Special missions units (SMUs); such as Delta Force and NSWDG (United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group)..."
Originally posted by Jester504Cool.
Sorry to say, but you guys are missing the best of the best here.The SAS, Delta, ST6, etc. all are elite groups, but they still are not the best... Not even Delta, who's probably the best out of those three.
CIA has their own paramilitary Special Operations Group, or SOG. They have gone in before other soldiers in every war the U.S. has been involved in since Vietnam (it might be since WWII, but I can't remember).
They are easily superior to Delta or SAS. In fact, CIA SOG recruits from Delta. So to get into SOG, you might have to get into the Army Green Berets, then get asked to join Delta, make Delta, then get asked to join CIA SOG, and then actually make CIA SOG. You'd have to be beyond bad*ss at that point.
From the book "Special OPS: America's elite forces in 21st century combat":
"Highly classified, the SAD is regarded as the preeminent special operations unit in the world. Members are the elite of the elite; "the best period." This results from the sources from which the organization recruits its members: Special missions units (SMUs); such as Delta Force and NSWDG (United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group)..."
Originally posted by jaden101
SAS isnt confined to military operations...they also are responsible for the security of visiting VIP's and it is them who plan routes for motorcades etc....so when you see tony blair walking around with a bunch of suits flanking him...they are not merely security services...they are SAS
delta does the exact same thing.
From what I've heard, Delta and SAS training is similar, and they cross-train together. SAS seems to have a higher dropout rate, but it might be because the recruits aren't as well trained. Delta recruits people from the Green Berets and Rangers. I think they have to have a few years of experience and must stand out as an excellent operator. Even among that group though, many don't pass the Delta training.
DEVGRU, I believe, is the same thing but they recruit their members from the SEALS.
Delta and SAS are trained together . Deltas training is varied in length because of different MOS's that each operator carries. There are multiple detachments and units of Delta. With that being said the Israelli
Shayetet 13 is the closest to Delta in training Delta is hard to rank as we are not allowed information on their training, not even their PT time requirements. It is very hard training and lasts for about 6 months after all other trining and then you train daily and jump very often !!! just remember Delta rules !!!!!!!!!!!
Rangers = toughest infantry school in the world and that's according to the National Geographic and Military Channels. 60 days of pure hell. In Vietnam, Rangers had bounties on their heads. I have a friend in the Rangers and he said that SoF (Special Operation Forces) don't go anywhere without backup and who do they ask? Rangers. I'm not saying that the Rangers are the best, but when their is a target that is 'impossible' to take - Rangers lead the way. After all, they took the Tora Bora in Afghanistan anyway nearly killing bin Laden.