God talks to Lucifer about how perfect and powerful he is in the last issue. God was shaped by his religion, the Jews/Christians in the Vertigo Multiverse. The only being that would predate him and is omnipotent like him is The Great Beast. It is The Presence only equal and opposite. The only thing God did not let himself know was who would be his replacement. Of course he could have orchestrated who would be his replacement, but he wanted to be surprised. Something he had never seen before until then. It is a paradox though.
Lucifer still seems to be at least tide with Uriren. The beings in Hell do everything for 1 being and 1 being only, Lucifer. Everything he does is against what God wants. He rebelled against God in Heaven. He rebelled against God when he closed Hell down. He rebelled against God again when leaving the great plan (then again Lucifer still wonders if what he did in #75 was also part of the great plan). He rebelled against him when God asked him to rejoin him so he would understand him better. These last few issues have shown just how powerful he is. He is most defiantly at the top. 😉
Originally posted by kevdudeI think the last issue in particular showed exactly how powerful his will is though.
God talks to Lucifer about how perfect and powerful he is in the last issue. God was shaped by his religion, the Jews/Christians in the Vertigo Multiverse. The only being that would predate him and is omnipotent like him is The Great Beast. It is The Presence only equal and opposite. The only thing God did not let himself know was who would be his replacement. Of course he could have orchestrated who would be his replacement, but he wanted to be surprised. Something he had never seen before until then. It is a paradox though.Lucifer still seems to be at least tide with Uriren. The beings in Hell do everything for 1 being and 1 being only, Lucifer. Everything he does is against what God wants. He rebelled against God in Heaven. He rebelled against God when he closed Hell down. He rebelled against God again when leaving the great plan (then again Lucifer still wonders if what he did in #75 was also part of the great plan). He rebelled against him when God asked him to rejoin him so he would understand him better. These last few issues have shown just how powerful he is. He is most defiantly at the top. 😉
Originally posted by Big SexySome people do, some people don't... Spectre has also met and talked to Lucifer. Sandman has appeared in DC comics, even doing events that happened in both DC and Vertigo at once. However, DC standard does not accept Vertigo as canon for DC, save the times those characters actually appeared in its comics. This was a change that happened just in the last year or two... Sandman may still be in continuity though.. tough to say.. the DC guys love Sandman though. But no Lucifer's title, at least not all of it, can be taken in context...or at least in the timeframe.. things happened in Lucifer like Yahweh giving up creation Elaine Belloc, and she in turn removed Heaven and Hell, for example... but we see Zauriel and Etrigan still in DC. Other than that, yes, Lucifer is and has been part of the DCU, having appeared in Spectre, and in another was shown from the backside in an old Etrigan comic, in the backround.
Juntai, I have a ?, Do you think that Lucifer is part of the Dc Universe. Gs doesn't believe that the source That Lucifer met and the Dc source are the same person.
Originally posted by JuntaiBut doesn't Lucifer himself give a reference to etrigan when he talks to Sandman.
Some people do, some people don't... Spectre has also met and talked to Lucifer. Sandman has appeared in DC comics, even doing events that happened in both DC and Vertigo at once. However, DC standard does not accept Vertigo as canon for DC, save the times those characters actually appeared in its comics. This was a change that happened just in the last year or two... Sandman may still be in continuity though.. tough to say.. the DC guys love Sandman though. But no Lucifer's title, at least not all of it, can be taken in context...or at least in the timeframe.. things happened in Lucifer like Yahweh giving up creation Elaine Belloc, and she in turn removed Heaven and Hell, for example... but we see Zauriel and Etrigan still in DC. Other than that, yes, Lucifer is and has been part of the DCU, having appeared in Spectre, and in another was shown from the backside in an old Etrigan comic, in the backround.