Originally posted by Blair Wind
ice slides =concentrated effort, a solid. Can they really do that to an invisible enemy that can be literally anywhere, including inside them?
we know iceman isn't starting out inside them...and he's walking out of the mansion so he won't be water-vapor. so yes, with xavier getting time to think then they can pull it off.
Electrolysis, especially of H2O, takes time. As soon as a plan like that goes into effect, a few molecules of his ice may turn to its base components, but immeditely after, he could go straight to mist form, or even inhabit the water molecules inside any of the X-men. And then project his powers from the safety of being inside...say....Professor X.
How is electrolysis going to help anyway? If Iceman is heated he changes to water vapour, if he's heated even more he'll change to H and O atoms.
The Products of Electrolysis in Water are O2 and H2, where Hydroxyl Ions go to the Anode and H+ go to the cathode. Iceman can already exist as O2 and H2 therefore it won't do anything.
Also what's stopping him from removing all the moisture there bodies? Thats should kill them all.
However the rules of this thread do not state that Drake starts off in his vapour form. Meaning a Telepath can take him out before he gets the chance to change state.
Not totally convinced. Electrolysis would take to long and by that time he could make himself mist form (and the funny part is no one would notice, he could keep his "body" in place and animate it from the air) As an X-man he should have some resistence to telepathy, and then again how does telepathy work on a creature with no brain? only ice?
He has existed as Hydrogen and Oxygen? Separately? Since when?
If that were true, he would theoretically be able to exist in ANY element, since Elements are more or less conglomerations of hydrogen nuclei.
Regardless of that, does bobby start out in his Ice-form? If he's trekking through the mansion, he knows that the professor and Jean are amazing telepaths (he has, you know...been an X-man for quite some time), he would likely already be iced. And if he is iced, he doesn't have a brain, and that leads us back to the problem of us not knowing exactly how telepathy works on something without a mind.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Not totally convinced. Electrolysis would take to long and by that time he could make himself mist form (and the funny part is no one would notice, he could keep his "body" in place and animate it from the air) As an X-man he should have some resistence to telepathy, and then again how does telepathy work on a creature with no brain? only ice?
Emma has used her telepathy on Bobby when he was iced up. Remember when he tried to force her to help him learn about his powers?
Also how do you resist having your subconscionous reflexes shut down? It's one thing to resist mind control and probing it's another to resist having your brain shut off. IMO if you're not a telepath there's no way you can resist having your subconscience reflexes shut off.I have more proof on this regarding Wolverine(Who's suppose to be extremly resistant to Telepathy.) In HoM#2 Emma stops instantly because she messes with his subconscience reflexes.(I'll post a scan in a half and hour.)
Wow electrolysis, hadn't seen tht, well now thts definitely along the lines of what I thought. I had Dr X. shut him down rouge nick his powers, and force all the water molecules surrounding him a away. Then Pyro along with a huge supply of potassium throws it into a melted unconscious bobby, and satrts heating things up, so they react making hydrogen and potassium hydroxide....soon with enough potassium no water molecules can exist, and so the consciousness of booby can not exist and so enters "heaven". For, he can only inhabit water molecules (not H or O atoms/molecules). So, I think either electrolysis or my original idea are plausible. Just which is simpler? Or has anyone thought of a more "comic" way?
There you go:
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/2473/telepathy5ot.jpg
All 7 people in that room rendered useless in an instant.(Resistance doesn't help when your subconscience reflexes are being screwed with.)
Then again I don't recall Jean ever using her abilities in such a creative way.
Originally posted by phase
Umm...how do i say this... heating water means the water molecules get more KE. energy and so move apart more, this is why it becomes water vapor, but even at 6000degrees it is still a water molecule, and so Bobby can still LIVE in it.
im beatin a supernova from human tourch would take care of that (well and the planet but still)
thats why i said he would come in and take care of it eairler
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
There you go:http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/2473/telepathy5ot.jpg
All 7 people in that room rendered useless in an instant.(Resistance doesn't help when your subconscience reflexes are being screwed with.)
Then again I don't recall Jean ever using her abilities in such a creative way.
You mean like in NXM when the Shiar were attacking and she directed the visitors to safety? I think there were 75 people at the time.
Anyhow, as far as TP is concerned...
Regardless of where Bobby's consciousness resides (whether here or the astral plane), it's still a consciousness, which can be affected by telepaths. As far as I know, there isn't anything canon to contradict this. He still has to use his power in some way, and it's totally possible for Jean to turn off his mutant ability. And what techniques are Bobby going to use to keep Jean out of his mind?
And no, Bobby wouldn't become one with Phoenix.
if we take GS essays (which make sense) then yes he does
In aoa molecular inversion (what his mist form is called) is painful to everyone but him. Why? My conclusion is that their brains (their essense) are being stretched and pulled apart, and none can handle it but Iceman.
also in another scan Jean cannot locate Iceman when he states he is "everywhere"
Now jean has her telepathy and its as much a part of her senses as her eyes and ears. Im sure if she could have pinpointed him, she wouldnt have asked that question.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
if we take GS essays (which make sense) then yes he doesIn aoa molecular inversion (what his mist form is called) is painful to everyone but him. Why? My conclusion is that their brains (their essense) are being stretched and pulled apart, and none can handle it but Iceman.
also in another scan Jean cannot locate Iceman when he states he is "everywhere"
Now jean has her telepathy and its as much a part of her senses as her eyes and ears. Im sure if she could have pinpointed him, she wouldnt have asked that question.
