Darth Revan Vs Palpatine

Started by Nephthys10 pages
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
... on a nexus, and it was only one small bolt. Ok, has vitiate ever faced anyone nearly as fast or skilled with a lightsaber as Palpatine? Didn't think so. Ok, I guess getting blasted with the most powerful lightning in the mythos, you're still perfectly capable of directing a FLS.

Vitiate has become more powerful since that time and Dromund Kaas isn't a nexus anyway so f u.

Maybe not, but that does not mean he will get blitzed.

Vitiates lightning is more powerful.

Personally though I don't know why we're assuming he'd start with charging his lightning. A telepathic assualt is more likely. Also remember Vitiate used a FLS to by him time to charge up. He could do the same for Sidious.

Vitiate is directly noted as more of a scholar than a warrior, and for good reason

This is irrelevant because it was noted during his first 100 years. Your argument fails.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiate has become more powerful since that time and Dromund Kaas isn't a nexus anyway so f u.

Maybe not, but that does not mean he will get blitzed.

Vitiates lightning is more powerful.

Personally though I don't know why we're assuming he'd start with charging his lightning. A telepathic assualt is more likely. Also remember Vitiate used a FLS to by him time to charge up. He could do the same for Sidious.

1. Dromund Kaas isn't a nexus, what? People like Yoda/Kyle Katarn felt like they couldn't even properly use their light side powers on the planet.

2. He would if he takes time charging up an attack, and i'm not even saying that vitiate would get blitzed. Just that Palpatine could straight up out-speed him so he can't accurately attack him with a FLS.

3. How?

4. Palpatine, without any training, formed mental barriers strong enough to block Plagueis's mind reading abilities. I think he'll resist Vitiate's mind domination. And do you expect Sidious to simply allow vitiate to blast him, as Revan did?

Originally posted by mstanford2912
This is irrelevant because it was noted during his first 100 years. Your argument fails.

He has only been in 3-4 actual combat situations in his 1400 year span...

1. Dromund Kaas isn't a nexus, what? People like Yoda/Kyle Katarn felt like they couldn't even properly use their light side powers on the planet.

The only nexus Vitiate has been on is all the ones he created himself.

Palpatine, without any training, formed mental barriers strong enough to block Plagueis's mind reading abilities. I think he'll resist Vitiate's mind domination. And do you expect Sidious to simply allow vitiate to blast him, as Revan did?

Nobody's had the mental domination techniques as powerful as Vitiate.

Yeah, and the nexus grants him extra power. Kinda the whole point...

Revan has resisted it, so can Sidious.

Rofl. So Vitiate creates the nexus but suddenly he gets penalized for doing so. That's a hilarious argument. And Revan had to go all "one with the force" to resist Vitiate briefly. At this point you're just throwing shit at a dart board and hoping something sticks.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
1. Dromund Kaas isn't a nexus, what? People like Yoda/Kyle Katarn felt like they couldn't even properly use their light side powers on the planet.

2. He would if he takes time charging up an attack, and i'm not even saying that vitiate would get blitzed. Just that Palpatine could straight up out-speed him so he can't accurately attack him with a FLS.

3. How?

4. Palpatine, without any training, formed mental barriers strong enough to block Plagueis's mind reading abilities. I think he'll resist Vitiate's mind domination. And do you expect Sidious to simply allow vitiate to blast him, as Revan did?

1, Sure..... 3000 years later.

2. Yes.... if he doesn't slow Sidious down before charging up like he did against the strike team.

3. Being described as infinitely greater than Nyriss', overwhelming Revan and defeating the 5 most powerful Jedi in the Order at the same time with it.

4. And how advanced are Plagueis' mind reading abilities compared to the most dominating mind thats ever lived?

5. No, I expect him to resist... until Vitiate blasts him.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
He has only been in 3-4 actual combat situations in his 1400 year span...

😆

Try a bit more than that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
1, Sure..... 3000 years later.

2. Yes.... if he doesn't slow Sidious down before charging up like he did against the strike team.

3. Being described as infinitely greater than Nyriss', overwhelming Revan and defeating the 5 most powerful Jedi in the Order at the same time with it.

4. And how advanced are Plagueis' mind reading abilities compared to the most dominating mind thats ever lived?

5. No, I expect him to resist... until Vitiate blasts him.

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Try a bit more than that.

1. Is there any relevance to the time span?

2. But you're assuming Sidious is gonna use the same (shitty) tactics the strike team utilized.

3. Has he ever turned someone into a charred husk with said lightning? Has he ever nearly overwhelmed the defenses of master yoda? Has he ever nearly killed Vader with lightning in only a few seconds, while Marek's powerful lightning being amped by Kamino only brought vader to one knee?

4. Ok, true vitiate's mind domination > Plagueis mind reading, but Sidious did this while he wasn't even well versed in the ways of the force...

5. mentioned on #2

How many fights has vitiate participated in?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
1. Is there any relevance to the time span?

2. But you're assuming Sidious is gonna use the same (shitty) tactics the strike team utilized.

3. Has he ever turned someone into a charred husk with said lightning? Has he ever nearly overwhelmed the defenses of master yoda? Has he ever nearly killed Vader with lightning in only a few seconds, while Marek's powerful lightning being amped by Kamino only brought vader to one knee?

4. Ok, true vitiate's mind domination > Plagueis mind reading, but Sidious did this while he wasn't even well versed in the ways of the force...

5. mentioned on #2

How many fights has vitiate participated in?

1. Just because its a nexus in 3000 years doesn't mean its a nexus in Vitiates time.

2. You mean run to engage him in lightsabers? The plan you're advocating he'll do?

3. Nyriss did and his lightning is far superior to her's. He overwhelmed Revan who is equal to Yoda. Beating the Strike Team >

4. Good for him.

Alot. Dozens of Jedi have personally attacked him. He's been betrayed and attacked a lot by people like his Sith Executioner Koval Renge, Kel'eth Ur, 2 Dark Councils and others. In the game alone he's in 4 fights. Two against Revan. And oh yeah the one against his father.

Neph, we've been over the Dromund Kaas shit in public and private. It's a nexus, let it go.

Originally posted by mstanford2912
You're desperately trying to rationalize.

lol

Originally posted by Board Walker
I think revena did pretty well against vitae, if he wasnt betrayed by his own ally who knows how the fight would of went...

All im saying is due to revans ability to allow kight and dark flow through him in unison, he is able to nullify/redirect dark side offense powers back at the caster.

He also is able to use the light side to physically regenerate hinself, even when his face melted he regenerated it back to normal.

1. Why do you think Scourge betrayed him? Because he knew it was most probable that the trio were going to be eviscerated, and the galaxy doomed.

2. Since when does he have this ability? On the fanon wiki? No, Revan does not possess the power to nullify the Dark Side. His combination of the light and dark simply amped up his Force Wave to Vitiate's level.

3. Ehm, he wasn't back to normal. He was able to stand up.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes.... if he doesn't slow Sidious down before charging up like he did against the strike team.

I doubt he'd have time to charge up for a new attack when Sidious would likely redirect Vitiate's own energy back at him. And this is assuming that Palpatine allows Vitiate to attack first. And I say "allow" because it would be Sidious choice, considering that Sidious is far faster than Vitiate ('quicker with the trigger'😉.

Originally posted by Nephthys
3. Being described as infinitely greater than Nyriss', overwhelming Revan and defeating the 5 most powerful Jedi in the Order at the same time with it.

On a nexus.

The jedi who Vitiate overpowered only had sabers to defend themselves with, as none of them were shown to know energy absorption, and the ones who failed to block Vitiates energy with their sabers were resisting it for some time.

Whereas Yoda was knocked unconscious from a single short blast of Sidious' lightning.

Originally posted by Nephthys
5. No, I expect him to resist... until Vitiate blasts him.

Or Vitiate resists his own redirected lightning...until Sidious blasts him. Or he resists Sidious lightning...until Sidious blasts him. WTF?

Are you really arguing that Vitiate can take Sidious out with the force alone? No, just no.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Vitiate's supposed ability to destroy planets by himself is to be taken with a grain of salt.

Why?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Secondly, if Meetra didn't save Revan (where she actually could have killed the Emperor himself), he would have died.

No, genius! Vitiate would have come back because, thanks to his immortality.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
he put up a decent fight against the Emperor, but I don't see how he'd put up a better one against palpatine.

Palpatine doesn't matches firepower of Vitiate; as of ROTS, Palpatine is much inferior.

Try to comprehend this:-

---------> Sith Emperor Vitiate = Jedi Master Revan + Meetra + Scourge + ? (Most powerful Sith Lord of all times)
--------> Sith Lord Vitiate (Supremely strong in the Force; pwned a powerful Sith Lord at the age of 10; captured entire world at the age of 13; killed thousands of Sith singlehandedly)
-------> Jedi Master Revan (Destroyed Nyriss)
------> Nyriss (Easily subdued Meetra and Scourge simultaneously)
-----> Nihilus (Consumed entire worlds)
----> Darth Revan
---> Traya (Pwned veteran 3 Jedi Masters simultaneously)
--> Meetra / Scourge (Prominent heavyweights; powerful in the ways of the Force)
-> Sion (Above countless Sith; exceedingly difficult to kill)

Too much power ascension.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
also, there's no documentation of Revan ever using the Thought bomb on his own, so we cant assume he can use it, same as the thing about vitiate destroying planets by himself.

Both of these assumptions have canonically hinted/implied.

Bane acquired knowledge of all known variants of Thought Bomb from Revan's holocron. It is obvious that Revan understood all such things well.

Multiple canon sources confirm that Vitiate's capacity as practitioner of the Force vastly increased after his Nathema based feat. In-fact, one source implies that Vitiate chose not to repeat Nathema like actions to mask his true nature.

Are you really arguing that Vitiate can take Sidious out with the force alone? No, just no.

Yes, just yes.

S_W_LeGenD, you're wrong on 2 major points: The Emperor didn't have a voice when he fought Revan, so if Meetra threw to blade it him, he's dead for good...

Also, I say take planetary destroying capability with a grain of salt, because we've never actually seen him do so. He could have simply used those capabilities to utilize his grand ritual.

speculation is not nearly as significant as evidence, the former you clearly specialize in. Yes Bane learned the ritual itself from Revan, but that no where implies that he can use the ability on his own.

Yes, Vitiate equals Revan/Meetra/Scourge... on a dark side necus, which would empower him along with weakening the users of light. Although I am probably open to agreement that he would be stronger than these 3 normally, although so is palpatine.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
S_W_LeGenD, you're wrong on 2 major points: The Emperor didn't have a voice when he fought Revan, so if Meetra threw to blade it him, he's dead for good...

Vitiate was immortal nonetheless; he may have lost his original body but he would have come back after possessing another host.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Also, I say take planetary destroying capability with a grain of salt, because we've never actually seen him do so. He could have simply used those capabilities to utilize his grand ritual.

Well;

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is canon hype actually:-

Hint 1:

"Nathema was just the beginning," Scourge agreed. "He will destroy world after world, his power and madness growing in concert until he alone is left, Emperor over an empty and lifeless galaxy."

Meetra stared at the two in horror.

"You've been to Nathema," Scourge said. "You felt the Void. You know what the Emperor is capable of."

"She understands," Revan said, reading her expression more accurately than Scourge. "That's not it."

"He's quarantined Dromund Kaas," Meetra said, trying to lead them to the same conclusion. "What if he’s preparing to do the same thing here that he did on Nathema?"

Scourge hadn't considered that possibility, and it chilled him to his core.

"Is that possible?" he asked. "Nyriss told me the ritual on Nathema took days, if not weeks. And the Emperor had to trick hundreds of other powerful Sith into working with him so he could draw on their power."

"He's stronger now," Revan said. "But even if it's possible, I don't think he'll go that far. At least not yet. He is too patient, too careful. Dromund Kaas is the heart of his Empire and the seat of his power. He has too many valuable resources here to throw it all away."

Hint 2:

Lord Vitiate takes command of the Sith Empire, now in shambles following the Great Hyperspace War. He executes the Sith Council and consumes the life force of thousands of Sith Lords in a terrifying ritual that extends his life and vastly increases his capacity as a practitioner of the Force.

Sources:-

Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

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Vitiate chose not to devastate worlds to avoid attracting unwanted attention and multiply his adversaries. He came close to making such a decision on Voss though but he managed to lure a Sith Warrior to the planet to help him.

Vitiate's main focus was on his ultimate plan actually.

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Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
speculation is not nearly as significant as evidence, the former you clearly specialize in. Yes Bane learned the ritual itself from Revan, but that no where implies that he can use the ability on his own.

Revan knew about all variants of Thought Bomb. Bane learned about all of these variants from his holocron. This is sufficient evidence of Revan's capabilities.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yes, Vitiate equals Revan/Meetra/Scourge... on a dark side necus, which would empower him along with weakening the users of light.

Weaken the light?

- Revan wasn't weakened by Dromund Kaas in any sense due to his unique mastery of the Force.

- Meetra also possessed the capability to cope well with places strong in the dark side.

- Scourge was already a dark side.

Also, Vitiate doesn't needs boost from a nexus to be overwhelming. Evidence of this in SWTOR. Why are you overlooking this fact?

Your point is moot.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Although I am probably open to agreement that he would be stronger than these 3 normally,

Good

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
although so is palpatine.

Even DE Palpatine failed to cope with combined might of Luke (DE) and Leia (DE); a team that is inferior to trio of Revan, Meetra and Scourge.

People have exaggerated Palpatine too much.

Luke's potential was being unlocked in the second duel against Palpatine. In the first duel, Palpatine defeated Luke with relative ease.

Originally posted by pencilcrayon
Luke's potential was being unlocked in the second duel against Palpatine. In the first duel, Palpatine defeated Luke with relative ease.

That's because the first duel is on Byss, an inordinately powerful dark side nexus whereon the Emperor's powers are enhanced.

Beefy
Yes, just yes.

Seems as unlikely as Palpatine blitzing Vitiate. I can't quite figure you out, Beefy. You're almost schizophrenic when it comes to Vitiate and Sidious.

I've been very consistent with Vitiate and Sidious. This isn't DE Sidious we're talking about, therefore the consistency hasn't changed.