Yeah, the speedforce is a shameless plot device. However, it does allow flash to beat Thor. The problem lies in the fact that one's mass increases towards infinity once approaching the speed of light. Thor would be taking punches with TREMENDOUS force behind them. The speedforce apparantly makes Flash more durable, so that he can cope with the increase. Ridiculous as it may be, it's really enough to beat Thor at least temporarily.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Yeah, the speedforce is a shameless plot device. However, it does allow flash to beat Thor. The problem lies in the fact that one's mass increases towards infinity once approaching the speed of light. Thor would be taking punches with TREMENDOUS force behind them. The speedforce apparantly makes Flash more durable, so that he can cope with the increase. Ridiculous as it may be, it's really enough to beat Thor at least temporarily.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
You dont think that if Thor was in the air he couldent have a chance at winning? I know very well that Thor cant match flash on the ground, thats why I stated if he can get into the air. Thats what I was meaning anyway. Yes I know it would be hard to get there. Dont worry about making me mad or anything, It dosnt bother me at all if someone disagrees with me on something like this, its all good.lol
Alright, cool. That's good to know. 😉
In this fight, they would both start on the ground (unless the thread-starter states otherwise from the beginning), otherwise that would be a form of prep on Thor's part. That, and Thor can really levitate. He can only fly distances by throwing Mjlonir and holding on to it.
And even if he was already in the air (let's just say), Flash can fly and has done so before. It's just not preferred by him. He flaps his arms insanely fast, propelling him through the air. In fact, in certain situations, he can run on air or even in a vaccum.
Flash could also steal Thor's kinetic energy, making him drop like a rock.
Or, he could blast Thor with arm-generated hurricane winds, knocking him down to the ground. Entirely possible.
Thing is, Flash has way too many ways to beat Thor.
I understand Im just saying this is a much different fight in the air. Thor could blanket the atmosphere with electrical storms, drop the temp to minus(whatever degrees) I doubt that flash can "fly" as fast as he can run. I also doubt that he could knock Thor from the air with hurricane force winds. Thor does fly in that type of atmosphere frequently. Also dosnt Thor levitate by magic, I dont think the speed force can take that away. In the air magic is all he needs.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
What are all of RKT's attributes? In as much detail as possible, please. I'm just curious. Don't try and exaggerate either. 😛
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
I understand Im just saying this is a much different fight in the air. Thor could blanket the atmosphere with electrical storms, drop the temp to minus(whatever degrees) I doubt that flash can "fly" as fast as he can run. I also doubt that he could knock Thor from the air with hurricane force winds. Thor does fly in that type of atmosphere frequently. Also dosnt Thor levitate by magic, I dont think the speed force can take that away. In the air magic is all he needs.
Actually Flash can fly as fast as he runs. However he just doesn't want to for some reason. Something to do with fear of heights....
Jesse Quick is the only Speedster who actually chooses to fly.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Well like all skyfathers he travels and moves at warp speed
with the knowledge of the runes he was able to pawn a skyfather by whispering,
He has the power to take a skyfathers soul so a mortal will be no trouble.
He has full adopted the power of the odin force
He was said to be beyond the contraints of fate and Destiny
He defeated the Gods of the asgardian Gods. ( not compleltey sure but they were mentoned as celestials but this is probably only hyperbole)
All of is previous powers as regular thor are extremely increased which means powers over the elements, and time are under his control. Matter manipulation also
Ah, sounds like a real challenge then. I'd like to see it take place. I'm actually unsure at the moment. I've seen Flash do some ridiculous things.
One for example, will always stay with me. He's actually beaten INSTANTANEOUS TRAVEL in a race. That's how fast he is.
I think a very even match-up would be RTK and Flash at his maximum.
Originally posted by MetalmanxNo trust me it woundn't, I just put that out put it would be a curbstomp to the extreme on Thors part. Even if WW, Superman, and GL kyle got involved they would still be stomped. Flash is strong but he is by no means a skyfather. Do a little checking on skyfathers. Flash couldn't handle the silver surfer let alone a skyfather.
Ah, sounds like a real challenge then. I'd like to see it take place. I'm actually unsure at the moment. I've seen Flash do some ridiculous things.One for example, will always stay with me. He's actually beaten INSTANTANEOUS TRAVEL in a race. That's how fast he is.
I think a very even match-up would be RTK and Flash at his maximum.
Originally posted by Draco69
Supergirl beat the Outsiders...even when she was wearing kryptonite gauntlets.... 😘
You don't get it do you, Batman beats everybody regardless. That is just the way things go. I was resistant to it for a while too but, have since recognized the fact that he is just unbeatable. Read the forums, with prep he owns all.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Yeah, the speedforce is a shameless plot device. However, it does allow flash to beat Thor. The problem lies in the fact that one's mass increases towards infinity once approaching the speed of light. Thor would be taking punches with TREMENDOUS force behind them. The speedforce apparantly makes Flash more durable, so that he can cope with the increase. Ridiculous as it may be, it's really enough to beat Thor at least temporarily.
No it's not. The same laws of physics that apply to the flash apply to all characters. Thor and every other character in that power class can strike with speedforce. They do it all the time. They are survive it all the time with no problems. They can all react faster than the speed of light, so Flash would not even be able to hit, say Thor, the Surfer, Hulk, Thanos, Superman, Firelord, Gladiator, Darkseid, Orion, etc.... before he himself is struck with enough kinetic energy to instantly disperse his atoms.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
No it's not. The same laws of physics that apply to the flash apply to all characters. Thor and every other character in that power class can strike with speedforce. They do it all the time. They are survive it all the time with no problems. They can all react faster than the speed of light, so Flash would not even be able to hit, say Thor, the Surfer, Hulk, Thanos, Superman, Firelord, Gladiator, Darkseid, Orion, etc.... before he himself is struck with enough kinetic energy to instantly disperse his atoms.
The Hulk can move at light speed? 😄
But seriously, they don't. When I say speed force, I actually mean Speedforce. The Speedforce apparantly grants Flash an enourmous amount of powers and abilities. He's still not as versatile as Thor, but his abilities are a hell of a lot more practical in combat, safe, perhaps, when Thor is flying.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Ah, sounds like a real challenge then. I'd like to see it take place. I'm actually unsure at the moment. I've seen Flash do some ridiculous things.One for example, will always stay with me. He's actually beaten INSTANTANEOUS TRAVEL in a race. That's how fast he is.
I think a very even match-up would be RTK and Flash at his maximum.
Know that wouldn't be a good fight. It was stated that RTK knew the outcome to every moment in history even before it happened, thus gaining the true knowledge of his peoples fate. Thor would know what Flash was going to do before even Flash knew.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Well like all skyfathers he travels and moves at ... extremely increased which means powers over the elements, and time are under his control.
It's important to distinguish between the power to change one's own palce in time, such as many characters can do with and sometimes without mechanical aids, vs the power to actually change time. When Thor turned back time, he fundamentally altered reality.
This kind of feat rivals the kinds of things Odin used to do in the old days of Marvel when gods were gods and Stan Lee passed on his vision of morality through comics.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Why not? He hasn't been shown to not be able to steal his speed, so there's no reason why Flash couldn't do it.The speedblitz would definitely work. The faster he goes, the more powerful his attack is. It's not like he's hitting you with a normal punch at 100000000 mph. The speedforce keeps him from breaking bones when hitting something at that speed. Which also makes his punches exponentially more powerful the faster he goes.
And no. Even one infinite mass punch would definitely put Thor down, at the least for several minutes. And Flash can perform multiple IMPs at blazing speed. He just pretty much only does one cuz that's all he ever needs. No opponent of his needed a second one. Zum comes to mind...
If Flash can't steal one gods power, then why should he be able to steal another's?
I was asking how hard the speed force impacted because Thor has already survived the explosion of a star point blank without any ill effects. I was just think that if one explosion of a star didn't put Thor down than another one shouldn't put him down in one.
Either way Thor loses.