"Jedi"-A religion?

Started by Darth Vious4 pages

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
2 different things. This is a RELIGION based on a MOVIE. A movie the creator George Lucas calls fake meaning it never happened. The accounts and life of Jesus has been proven true over the years.

Are you serious? The Bible is nothing but a work of fiction! That there was someone called Jesus 2000 years ago, I do not deny. He was not however, the Son of God! Religion is an entirely man-made creation. Sprituality however, is a completely different thing.
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Christianity is nothing more than a religion based on the teachings of a man. That makes it a cult. Christianity is no more authentic as a religion than Scientology (which was created by a sci-fi writer as a bet)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=666&highlight=jedi+religion

Originally posted by Darth Vious
Are you serious? The Bible is nothing but a work of fiction! That there was someone called Jesus 2000 years ago, I do not deny. He was not however, the Son of God! Religion is an entirely man-made creation. Sprituality however, is a completely different thing.
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Christianity is nothing more than a religion based on the teachings of a man. That makes it a cult. Christianity is no more authentic as a religion than Scientology (which was created by a sci-fi writer as a bet)

1. I am a christian, so please, leave your beliefs to yourself.

2. LEts focus on the actual tipic, as opposed to REAL relgions and wiether or not there true.

Originally posted by BlaxicanTroller
1. I am a christian, so please, leave your beliefs to yourself.

So what? According to the UK Cencus, I am a Jedi. If you want me to respect your 'beliefs', then you have to respect mine. Also, my opinons on Christianity are not 'beliefs', they are facts.

Originally posted by BlaxicanTroller
2. LEts focus on the actual tipic, as opposed to REAL relgions and wiether or not there true.

So you saying that my beliefs are not as valid as yours, yet you expect me to respect your beliefs (which is based on a fiction) Please explain the logic there.

Also, before you say anything about me having a dig at Christians, I've also had a dig at Scientologists, and if you want, I'll start ripping into Muslims, because their 'religion' is the most twisted of them all...

Originally posted by Darth Vious
So what? According to the UK Cencus, I am a Jedi. If you want me to respect your 'beliefs', then you have to respect mine. Also, my opinons on Christianity are not 'beliefs', they are facts.

So you saying that my beliefs are not as valid as yours, yet you expect me to respect your beliefs (which is based on a fiction) Please explain the logic there.

Also, before you say anything about me having a dig at Christians, I've also had a dig at Scientologists, and if you want, I'll start ripping into Muslims, because their 'religion' is the most twisted of them all...

Please show me the part were I said I did not respect your beliefs. Reading comprehension is your friend.

Well that Little Stroy of beivles are truly odd. What losers....

And also religon isnt a man made thing. The only thing thats man made its the Cover on the bible. But yet. aigan thats my opion. Every is free to express there on opion. BUT. I think the most realsict religon is Jeaovhas's Witnesses. 😉

Are you serious? The Bible is nothing but a work of fiction! That there was someone called Jesus 2000 years ago, I do not deny. He was not however, the Son of God! Religion is an entirely man-made creation. Sprituality however, is a completely different thing.
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Christianity is nothing more than a religion based on the teachings of a man. That makes it a cult. Christianity is no more authentic as a religion than Scientology (which was created by a sci-fi writer as a bet)

Can you back up your words?

So you saying that my beliefs are not as valid as yours, yet you expect me to respect your beliefs (which is based on a fiction) Please explain the logic there.

Also, before you say anything about me having a dig at Christians, I've also had a dig at Scientologists, and if you want, I'll start ripping into Muslims, because their 'religion' is the most twisted of them all...

You are one sad little man aren't you? I hope you don't actually mean that you believe in the nonsense of the Jedi. Fact is people are willing to die for Jesus, and it has been proven that the Bible is true by people who were both followers of Christ and even those who wanted to prove that Christ was never around.

OMG! I just read the article instead of replying without thinking like usual! So do these people actually try not to form attachment?

By the way Vious. Christianity isn't a cult that is based on the teachings of some guy. It is a bunch of stories wich you can learn from or something, who cares. It's not comparible to Scientology in anyway, go away.

Its Weeid how people think religon is all made-up

Originally posted by BlaxicanTroller
Please show me the part were I said I did not respect your beliefs.

Originally posted by BlaxicanTroller
2. LEts focus on the actual tipic, as opposed to REAL relgions and wiether or not there true.

You are stating that Jedi beliefs are not real, so you are belittling it as a religion. Did you see my comment about laylines and dowsing?

Originally posted by BlaxicanTroller
Reading comprehension is your friend.

It is indeed, and clearly one you haven't been introduced to yet.

Originally posted by overlord
By the way Vious. Christianity isn't a cult that is based on the teachings of some guy.

??? 😆 😆 😆 Are you f*cking serious? You just said:

Originally posted by overlord
It is a bunch of stories wich you can learn from or something

Based on the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth! It is following the teachings of a (once) living person! That makes it a cult! Don't just take my word for it...

The Random House Unabridged Dictionary definitions

1.a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies;
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers;
3. the object of such devotion;
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc;
5. group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols;
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader;
7. the members of such a religion or sect;
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.


Christianity can be described by the first seven of those definitions, so I hate to break it to you, but it is a cult.

Originally posted by overlord
It's not comparible to Scientology in anyway

Both were made up, and infact, comparable in just about everyway such as not providing proof of 'God's existence...

Originally posted by overlord
go away.

I told you before, you're not a moderator, you're just a troll, so don't try telling me what to do (I'm not going to do it anyway) so either contribute something to the debate, or f*ck off.

Originally posted by Anthony$Billy
Its Weeid how people think religon is all made-up

What's 'weeid' is how people think that it isn't...

I told you before, you're not a moderator, you're just a troll, so don't try telling me what to do (I'm not going to do it anyway) so either contribute something to the debate, or f*ck off.

Debate what, dumba*s? We're talking about a "not official" so it's not yet counted as "real" religion. Not about christianity.

ive been here for 3 days and ur already on my bad list. VIoucs just shhhhhhhh for now.. plz

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
No because if we followed the Jedi Codes some idiots would then go around following the Sith Codes.
True 😆

Originally posted by Darth Vious
Religion (particularly Christianity/Catholicism) already is a franchise...
Has it occured to you that when coming up with the concepts for the Force, Lucas drew heavily on Eastern religions and philosophies?
Have you ever heard of laylines or dousing? That is all about using the planet's natural energy fields, which was how both Yoda and Obi-Wan described the Force...
I agree, the idea of classes on how to speak Wookie are pretty stupid, but would you dismiss someone who studied Christianity as lacking in ambition?

My fellow man, Jesus Christ was a REAL guy (or at least as far as we know)

Star wars, and everything about it, primarily came out out of some guys head and pulled a bunch of different influences to tell a story.

Someone can study christianity all they want, whether you are a believer or just being objective.

In believing in Jedi Faith you can only be a believer, or a non believer.

And thats the difference. You can't be objective because your either, a major Nerd, or like most oxygen sucking clowns who know its just a movie

nice well spoken

Originally posted by BlaxicanTroller
[BDebate what, dumba*s? We're talking about a "not official" so it's not yet counted as "real" religion. Not about christianity. [/B]

There are more Jedi than Jews in the UK. How do you like that for 'official', dumba$$? What's the possibility that in 2000 years, it will be as acceptable to say you are a Jedi, as it is now to say you're a Christian?

Originally posted by Anthony$Billy
ive been here for 3 days and ur already on my bad list. VIoucs just shhhhhhhh for now.. plz

Oh no, I'm not sure how I'll ever survive that knowledge... Just because you might not agree with what I'm saying, don't try telling me that I can't say it.

Originally posted by OB1-adobe
My fellow man, Jesus Christ was a REAL guy (or at least as far as we know)

Star wars, and everything about it, primarily came out out of some guys head and pulled a bunch of different influences to tell a story.

Someone can study christianity all they want, whether you are a believer or just being objective.

In believing in Jedi Faith you can only be a believer, or a non believer.

And thats the difference. You can't be objective because your either, a major Nerd, or like most oxygen sucking clowns who know its just a movie


On the contrary, I'm being quite objective. I already pointed out that I disliked other religions as well as Christianity. Also, I never disputed the fact that Jesus was a real person, infact, I said twice that he was. Maybe you'd care to point out which of these dictionary definitions of a Cult that Christianity does not fall under, and then try saying my comment was incorrect.

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The Random House Unabridged Dictionary definitions

1.a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies;
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers;
3. the object of such devotion;
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc;
5. group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols;
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader;
7. the members of such a religion or sect;
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.


The only definitions that do not currently apply are 6 and 8. However, when Christianity started 2000 years ago, it was considered to be 'false, unorthodox and extremist', by both the existing Hebrew Scholars and the then Pagan Romans, who had a rather nifty use for Christians...
The only definition that has never applied to Christianity is the last one.