Originally posted by The Omega
Depends on what should be analyzed and in what context. Questions of faith, no. Historical, theological and sociological/political moves conducted by various churches and temples and religions I could discuss.
Unbiased? Hmmm, probably not come to think of it. I view religions as culturally accepted delusions along with conspiracy theories, and am probably inclined to find some of them reactionary, conservative and male-chauvinistic obstacles to the progress of society.
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Originally posted by Alliance
Unless it was...and just out of curiosity...how much detail do you know about scientific theories discussing the creation of life?
I know a little. There is no proof of life beyond the effect that it has on the environment.
Please enlighten me...
Re: Do athiests have an edge?
Originally posted by Alliance
One of the main issues I find in analyzing religion is that everyone views religion from their personal history. This is obvious and unavoidable. Because athiests practice no faith, are they superior in the fact that they can present an unbiased opinon of religion? Or does athiesm as a relgious philosophy make athiests equally as biased?Opinions.
good thing I'm wearing armor
Originally posted by Alliance
i'd be happy to debate evolution, its one of my faovrite topics....we could set up a point counterpoint debate thread.
As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for. 🤣
There is, for example, that 'Intelligent Design' thread--which could be subtitled, 'Exasperation Central for Proponents of Evolution'.
Originally posted by Alliance
OH! 😮I was tralking to JBF, nto you...sorry! I must have hit the wrong quote after reading his quote in yuor post and ....
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Just enough to say that how can you start with nothing and then get something to create life. The chance of cells just coming together by pure luck and putting together the perfection and detail in design really takes faith Alliance. Much more faith than most Christians have.
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Just enough to say that how can you start with nothing and then get something to create life. The chance of cells just coming together by pure luck and putting together the perfection and detail in design really takes faith Alliance. Much more faith than most Christians have.
😆 You're the one that believes that there was something created form nothing. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Not only did God make everthing from nothing...he "worte" about it like a 2nd grader.
Science is not perfect, but its better than your ignorant theories that aren't even based in reality.
Saying science believe "you start with nothing and then get something" is like saying a baker bakes a cake without ingredients. All the components of cells were present, its not a "leap of faith" to have them assemble. No faith involved.
Apparently you think cells are perfect. Let me tell you, coming from someone who actually knows abou them and works with them on a dialy basis, they are FAR from perfect. They are onyl about 10% efficent, have thousnads of extraneous problems, major design inconsistancies, and quite frankly do things that are illogical. If your god was the engineer, he clearly never got a degree.
And trust me, I dont have more faith than Christians...I'm not blindly ignorant. 🙂
Originally posted by Alliance
😆 You're the one that believes that there was something created form nothing. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Not only did God make everthing from nothing...he "worte" about it like a 2nd grader.Science is not perfect, but its better than your ignorant theories that aren't even based in reality.
Saying science believe "you start with nothing and then get something" is like saying a baker bakes a cake without ingredients. All the components of cells were present, its not a "leap of faith" to have them assemble. No faith involved.
Apparently you think cells are perfect. Let me tell you, coming from someone who actually knows abou them and works with them on a dialy basis, they are FAR from perfect. They are onyl about 10% efficent, have thousnads of extraneous problems, major design inconsistancies, and quite frankly do things that are illogical. If your god was the engineer, he clearly never got a degree.
And trust me, I dont have more faith than Christians...I'm not blindly ignorant. 🙂
Here are some Mormon statements on the creation, we believe there was more to it than the small overview placed in the book of Genesis. Russel M. Nelson is currently a member of the twelve apostles, Bruce R. McConkie was a member of the twelve until his death in 1985.
taken from Russell M. Nelson, “The Creation,” Ensign, May 2000, 84Phases of the Creation
Each phase of the Creation was well planned before it was accomplished. Scripture tells us that “the Lord God, created all things … spiritually, before they were naturally upon the face of the earth.” 21The physical Creation itself was staged through ordered periods of time. In Genesis 22 and Moses, 23 those periods are called days. But in the book of Abraham, each period is referred to as a time. 24 Whether termed a day, a time, or an age, each phase was a period between two identifiable events—a division of eternity. 25
Period one included the creation of atmospheric heavens and physical earth, culminating in the emergence of light from darkness. 26
In period two, the waters were divided between the surface of the earth and its atmospheric heavens. Provision was made for clouds and rain to give life to all that would later dwell upon the earth. 27
In period three, plant life began. The earth was organized to bring forth grass, herbs, trees, and vegetation—each growing from its own seed. 28
Period four was a time of further development. Lights in the expanse of the heaven were organized so there could be seasons and other means of measuring time. During this period, the sun, the moon, the stars, and the earth were placed in proper relationship to one another. 29 The sun, with its vast stores of hydrogen, was to serve as a giant furnace to provide light and heat for the earth and life upon it. 30
In period five, fish, fowl, and “every living creature” were added. 31 They were made fruitful and able to multiply—in the sea and on the earth—each after its own kind. 32
In the sixth period, creation of life continued. The beasts of the earth were made after their kind, cattle after their kind, and everything which “creepeth upon the earth”—again, after its own kind. 33 Then the Gods counseled together and said: “Let us go down and form man in our image, after our likeness. …
“So the Gods went down to organize man in their own image, in the image of the Gods to form they him, male and female to form they them.” 34 Thus, Adam and Eve were formed. 35 And they were blessed to “be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.” 36
The seventh period was designated as a time of rest. 37
The Creation Testifies of a Creator
I testify that the earth and all life upon it are of divine origin. The Creation did not happen by chance. It did not come ex nihilo (out of nothing).
taken from Bruce R. McConkie, “Christ and the Creation,” Tambuli, Sept. 1983, 22The Creation is an organized venture; each of the other noble and great spirits plays his part. And the earth is created from matter that already exists. Truly the elements are eternal, and to create is to organize.
Originally posted by Alliance
At least its more detailed. And I like the idea of times.Though Conckie has to meet my friend, the particle accelerator...for it destroys elements. 🙂
Momonism is nice because it updates.
😆 yeah, although I think by elements he is just stating that matter/energy will always exist in some form, not just speaking of elements.
Yeah, that's one of the reasons we believe prophets are necessary. various things that are understood now were not available or misunderstood in the past. Without continued revelation things like evolution as well as other aspects of science may have seemed to be more damaging to the idea of creation than we believe they really are 😉
An interesting point though, we have believed in ideas like these quotes since Joseph Smith, so it isn't that new.
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
A great thread Alliance!Actually, athiests do practice a faith.
Wrong. Religious faith is believing in something without any proof. Atheists do not have any belief in anything without proof.
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
That faith believes that everything we see just happened by time and chance.
… and chance. The fallacy of all strongly religious people. Drop an apple, will you. It does not fall to the ground because of chance but because of gravity.
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
There is no designer in all this design and thier is no creator who put all this together. It takes more faith in my opinion to believe this than it does to believe that thier is a designer and for every plan thier is a planner.
Believing that some supernatural designer put everything together – and designed some stuff appallingly bad – that is what requires strong faith.
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Question: If I took a 747 Jumbo Jet and disassembled it and threw all the pieces on the ground... how many billions of years would it take to put everything back together again in working order?