Originally posted by Alliance
😆 You're the one that believes that there was something created form nothing. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Not only did God make everthing from nothing...he "worte" about it like a 2nd grader.Science is not perfect, but its better than your ignorant theories that aren't even based in reality.
Saying science believe "you start with nothing and then get something" is like saying a baker bakes a cake without ingredients. All the components of cells were present, its not a "leap of faith" to have them assemble. No faith involved.
Apparently you think cells are perfect. Let me tell you, coming from someone who actually knows abou them and works with them on a dialy basis, they are FAR from perfect. They are onyl about 10% efficent, have thousnads of extraneous problems, major design inconsistancies, and quite frankly do things that are illogical. If your god was the engineer, he clearly never got a degree.
And trust me, I dont have more faith than Christians...I'm not blindly ignorant. 🙂
Sad, but how do you think everything is perfectly held together? Atoms, etc.? So many things in perfect check that a little deviation and we are all toast!
Wow, I guess chance is doing a great job so far... 🤣
Re: Re: Do athiests have an edge?
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
A great thread Alliance!Actually, athiests do practice a faith. That faith believes that everything we see just happened by time and chance. There is no designer in all this design and thier is no creator who put all this together. It takes more faith in my opinion to believe this than it does to believe that thier is a designer and for every plan thier is a planner.
Question: If I took a 747 Jumbo Jet and disassembled it and threw all the pieces on the ground... how many billions of years would it take to put everything back together again in working order?
Not that silly jumbo jet analogy again.
Check this essay out:http://www.ebonmusings.org/evolution/tornado.html
To summarize, the jumbo jet analogy to evolution fails because:
1. It operates purely according to random chance.
2. It is an example of single-step, rather than cumulative, selection.
3. It is a saltationary jump - an end product entirely unlike the beginning product.
4. It has a target specified ahead of time
And no atheist DONT worship Chance.
The Chance Factor is far less amazing if you consider the possibility that our spacetime may be only one of an infinite number of spacetimes, most where all the ingredients did Not come together to create atoms, stars and life. It's purely a numbers game: when you have Infinity to play with, sooner or later you will get a spacetime like ours.
And while there is no empirical proof of these other spacetimes, 1) they do make unification theories work; and 2) theoretically they can be tested for, once we have the technology for generating the energies required. "God," as a nonempirical entity, does not offer such verification--this doesn't mean, necessarily, God does not exist, just that "His" participation violates Occam's Razor by being a nonconfirmable variable.
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Sad, but how do you think everything is perfectly held together? Atoms, etc.? So many things in perfect check that a little deviation and we are all toast!Wow, I guess chance is doing a great job so far... 🤣
2. You are using circular logic. Its very possible the universe is not a one time thing. You're assuming that this "ONE" chance things worked out. You are saying "because we're here, so the system must work" The truth is, "a system worked and we happen to be here." Of COURSE the system is stable. If it wasnt...we wouldnt be here...that doesnt mean it was made that way...get my point?
And templares...that was interesting rebuttal. My intioal opinon is: I like it.
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Sad, but how do you think everything is perfectly held together? Atoms, etc.? So many things in perfect check that a little deviation and we are all toast!Wow, I guess chance is doing a great job so far... 🤣
Actually it isn't held together that well. Everything that produces energy puts off a form of radiation. This radiation eventually causes cancers. So it actually wasn't put together in the best way possible. If it were then standing on top of a high mountain wouldn't increase the chance of getting cancer. I would assume that since it wasn't put together in a perfect manner that this would say that it was more likely chance did it.
Originally posted by Alliance
Good thought, but its not that much of a difference. Everyone gets about 3mSv a year jsut from existing. I believe thats fairly true regardless of location.
Yeah, but the higher your elevation does increase the amount. Flying gets you more. You get it from pretty much everything that exists. Sitting in a crowd will increase the amount of radiation you are getting, unless of course being in the crowd is blocking enough of the radiation from the sun and the environment to outweigh what you get from other people.
My wife is a Radiologist, I get to hear about it all the time 😉
Also on average more people will get cancer in Denver than in some low elevation point.
Originally posted by Alliance
1. This is a stupid argument. Unless you are actually going to comment on my posts (which I believe you can't because you knothing about any of the theories/principles you are attacking).2. You are using circular logic. Its very possible the universe is not a one time thing. You're assuming that this "ONE" chance things worked out. You are saying "because we're here, so the system must work" The truth is, "a system worked and we happen to be here." Of COURSE the system is stable. If it wasnt...we wouldnt be here...that doesnt mean it was made that way...get my point?
And templares...that was interesting rebuttal. My intioal opinon is: I like it.
Could you tell me how you think all this started? Yes, there is a beginning and the bible teaches in the beginning was God. He is the first and the last. You have to start somewhere or we end up with, "Who made God, and who made who made God? And who then made the one who made God? and on and on.........
Jesus is the Apha & Omega, the beginning and the end. He was not created and by Him all things were made that are made. 💃 🙄 🙄
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Common Regret 😆 You know what I meant.
Its very difficult to try to know everyhting about somehting that happened everywhere 13.7 billion years ago.
SInce you can arbitrarily say "we start with god" then I can arbitrarily say "we start with some sort of mini-sugularityish type universe thats the Plank length." From there, lots of stuff happened. The big bang theory is well documented, I don't need to explain every detail. Heavan forbid we question beyond that. I'm not content sitting in small boxes.
These questions about what preceeded are vadlid questions and deserve answers. WE (the scientific community) do our best to provide quality answers based on the best data available.
Your answer is always the same regardless of circumstances.
Again...you do nothing but shift the argument, you never actually make a rebuttal.
Originally posted by Alliance
I think we do...and (being so bold to speak on behalf of regret) we think you are wrong.Its very difficult to try to know everyhting about somehting that happened everywhere 13.7 billion years ago.
SInce you can arbitrarily say "we start with god" then I can arbitrarily say "we start with some sort of mini-sugularityish type universe thats the Plank length." From there, lots of stuff happened. The big bang theory is well documented, I don't need to explain every detail. Heavan forbid we question beyond that. I'm not content sitting in small boxes.
These questions about what preceeded are vadlid questions and deserve answers. WE (the scientific community) do our best to provide quality answers based on the best data available.
Your answer is always the same regardless of circumstances.
Again...you do nothing but shift the argument, you never actually make a rebuttal.
I think I do agree with Alliance.
Here is the point, if science proves something as a fact, I do not believe that God has done it a different way. If nature, science, whatever proves something, and God exists, then for God to contradict evidence we find is in essence contradicting himself, since he created everything. So if God created everything then contradictions will not occur between scientific fact and God.
Originally posted by AllianceYour answer is always the same regardless of circumstances.
Your right Alliance, I will always bore you with the Bible... because it has withstood the test of time. I'm not sure what Regret believes or doesn't believe so I will stick to the solid rock with Him too. It's getting fun around here.
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