Kismet Superman Vs. Galactus full power

Originally posted by Mr Master
Is Kismet the Embodiment of ALL that is in the DC Universe or Multiverse.

Eternity has two versions generally,

Universal Aspects of Eternity which represent each individual Universe

and

A Multiversal Entity who is the TRUE Eternity that embodies the ENTIRE Multiverse.

Captain Universe refered to it as Multi-Eternity.

Now who does Kismet most resemble?

DC technically doesn't have a multiverse anymore and it's been that way for a long time. So she would embody everything that is current reality.

what about when the universe gets destroyed every other comic, where is kismat?

Off somewhere in pis land. Abraxas should've come out and whooped his ass, but Busiek must not have read that particular arc.

For the record....Her and other "reality warpers" aren't any different from Matter manipulators at all, imo.
Either way, reality is essentially the state of ones perceptions.
Phoenix is a matter manipulator on the highest possible level, but she rewrote an entire reality, and thus, warped it.
So she can be defined as a reality warper.
When you get to the levels that Celestials on up operate on, the differences between the two cease to exist. At least, imo.
And Galactus is included in the on up category.

And even though Galactus and Eternity job, they have their feats as well. All i wanna know is, what're hers?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I know he found the universe flawed, and he wished to remake it. If he had any plans after that, I couldn't tell you. It would have been like Parallax who did have that ability.

He showed that he was able to remake it.

I still stand by the theoretical power vs theoretical power debate.

Which brings another debate. When Krona killed Galactus, where was Abraxas?

That was a JLA issue wasn't it?

not canon.

Originally posted by bigbran
what about when the universe gets destroyed every other comic, where is kismat?

Where is LT everytime another universe destroying menace is about to pop up?

Not doing a damn thing.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That was a JLA issue wasn't it?

not canon.

JLA/Avengers is considered canon.

thats because hes lazy, and only comes in when he feels its nesicarry.

and were talking ABOUT ETERNITY, NOT LT, and eternity does jump in.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Off somewhere in pis land. Abraxas should've come out and whooped his ass, but Busiek must not have read that particular arc.

For the record....Her and other "reality warpers" aren't any different from Matter manipulators at all, imo.
Either way, reality is essentially the state of ones perceptions.
Phoenix is a matter manipulator on the highest possible level, but she rewrote an entire reality, and thus, warped it.
So she can be defined as a reality warper.
When you get to the levels that Celestials on up operate on, the differences between the two cease to exist. At least, imo.
And Galactus is included in the on up category.

And even though Galactus and Eternity job, they have their feats as well. All i wanna know is, what're hers?

Phoenix is not a "matter manipulator on the highest possible level", her greatest warp feat is molding 616 Universe, others can do that.

Reed Richards - Quasar and definitely Galactus with the Ultimate Nullifier are "matter manipulators on the highest possible level".

Also in no particular order:

Thanos with THOU
pre-retcon Beyonder
pre-retcon Molecule man
Wanda remade 616 and can destroy the Multiverse
Living Tribunal can turn beings into Universes with a mere touch.
Infinity Gauntlet can remake a Universe from another Universe(Multiversal)

hey that is in order.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Off somewhere in pis land. Abraxas should've come out and whooped his ass, but Busiek must not have read that particular arc.

For the record....Her and other "reality warpers" aren't any different from Matter manipulators at all, imo.
Either way, reality is essentially the state of ones perceptions.
Phoenix is a matter manipulator on the highest possible level, but she rewrote an entire reality, and thus, warped it.
So she can be defined as a reality warper.
When you get to the levels that Celestials on up operate on, the differences between the two cease to exist. At least, imo.
And Galactus is included in the on up category.

And even though Galactus and Eternity job, they have their feats as well. All i wanna know is, what're hers?

So Galactus can manipulate reality?
Reality includes matter manipulation since you need some sort of reality to have matter. It doesn't work the other way around. Phoenix repaired timelines, it wasn't just matter manipulation.

This actually all proved my point. Kismet combined with Supes CAN defeat Galactus.

It's all theoretical of course, since scans of full power galactus destroying the universe haven't surfaced, just like Kismet scans haven't surfaced with her in H2H combat (which is ridiculous for cosmic characters at the level anyway.)

And Abraxas cannot defeat the Krona from JLA/Avengers. Grandmaster had the IG and used the powers of the most powerful artifacts (including the ultimate nullifier) from both universes and STILL lost.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Phoenix is not a "matter manipulator on the highest possible level", her greatest warp feat is molding 616 Universe, others can do that.

Reed Richards - Quasar and definitely Galactus with the Ultimate Nullifier are "matter manipulators on the highest possible level".

Also in no particular order:

Thanos with THOU
pre-retcon Beyonder
pre-retcon Molecule man
Wanda remade 616 and can destroy the Multiverse
Living Tribunal can turn beings into Universes with a mere touch.
Infinity Gauntlet can remake a Universe from another Universe(Multiversal)

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
JLA/Avengers is considered canon.

Crossovers?

the story tends to lean sometimes if you know what I'm saying.

In most forums it's considered non-canon.

In any case, Galactus dying outside the Multiverse does not affect Eternity.

This is why Abraxas did not appear.

Abraxas is manifested from the heart of Eternity and Infinity when any Galactus dies. Not from Galactus's body.

Originally posted by Broly92
No Phoenix is better than Wanda sorry!

In what way?

When did Quasar and Richards become matter manipulators?? Much less on that level??

And why does it seem like you have a dislike of Phoenix?? She is powerful on a crazy level.

Thanos with the HOTU is pretty much God. But so is Toad with the HOTU. Thats power from an external source.

PreRetcon Beyonder no longer exists. He's been demoted to a cube.
As has MM.
I thought most of Wandas power was illusionary?? Do you consider her to be more powerful than the PF?? Or just in the general ballpark??

I know the LT is powerful. No surprise there.
And the ig is powerful too. Again, no surprise there.
But if a being can affect an entire reality, from outside of said reality, doesn't that make it a multiversal being? Since he/she/it affected something from beyond its walls?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Crossovers?

the story tends to lean sometimes if you know what I'm saying.

In most forums it's considered non-canon.

In any case, Galactus dying outside the Multiverse does not affect Eternity.

This is why Abraxas did not appear.

Abraxas is manifested from the heart of Eternity and Infinity when any Galactus dies. Not from Galactus's body.

He killed Galactus in the savage land. It was in the marvel multiverse.

i never wil accept crossovers. venom beating supes and spides. carnage getting knocked out by a crowbar. thanos not being able to hurt darkseid, krona getting beat by a arrow. storm beating wonder woman.... the pis keeps rolling in.

Originally posted by bigbran
hey that is in order.

If I had to put them in Order it would be:

pre-retcon Beyonder
pre-retcon Molecule Man
Thanos THOU
Living Tribunal
IG
Ultimate Nullifier
Wanda

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So Galactus can manipulate reality?
Reality includes matter manipulation since you need some sort of reality to have matter. It doesn't work the other way around. Phoenix repaired timelines, it wasn't just matter manipulation.

This actually all proved my point. Kismet combined with Supes CAN defeat Galactus.

It's all theoretical of course, since scans of full power galactus destroying the universe haven't surfaced, just like Kismet scans haven't surfaced with her in H2H combat (which is ridiculous for cosmic characters at the level anyway.)

And Abraxas cannot defeat the Krona from JLA/Avengers. Grandmaster had the IG and used the powers of the most powerful artifacts (including the ultimate nullifier) from both universes and STILL lost.

I don't wanna see her punching somebody, though DC wouldn't surprise me if they had her doing so. I just wanna see some shown power feats. Without feats, she has nothing to stand on. Implied power is never superior to shown, on panel power.

Plus, the UN isn't as powerful in everybodies hands. Some people can wield it better than others. Galactus wields it the best of all.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I don't wanna see her punching somebody, though DC wouldn't surprise me if they had her doing so. I just wanna see some shown power feats. Without feats, she has nothing to stand on. Implied power is never superior to shown, on panel power.

Plus, the UN isn't as powerful in everybodies hands. Some people can wield it better than others. Galactus wields it the best of all.

Is the nullifier in Galactus hands more powerful than the IG?

Does TOAA have on panel feats? Should we say that Galactus can beat it too?
We know it's role so it's a safe assumption.

Like I said more than once. Theoretical power vs Theoretical power.

One lives in a universe and one is the embodiment of the universe.

Superman combined in this form can win.