Kismet Superman Vs. Galactus full power

Originally posted by Mr Master
If I had to put them in Order it would be:

pre-retcon Beyonder
🤨 pre-retcon Molecule Man
Thanos THOU
Living Tribunal
IG
Ultimate Nullifier
Wanda

Mr. Master you are way off ^^^,

1. TOAA/ Thanos w/ THOU
2. Living Trinbunal/ White Corwn Phoenix/True Beyonder
3. IG/ Infinties
4. Eternity/Death/Full-Powered Galactus/Infinity/Oblivion/Abraxas/Exitar

12.Molecule Man is a cube being, and cube beings are a notch above skyfathers. Wanda would below cube beings since Shaper of Worlds can warp reality on a larger scale.

Originally posted by UniOmni
When did Quasar and Richards become matter manipulators?? Much less on that level??

I did specify with the Ultimate Nullifier.
Reed already rewrote the Multiverse with the UN.
Quasar could have done it, but the Infinity Gauntlet turned it's energies back on Quasar.

Many underestimate the IG.

Originally posted by UniOmni
And why does it seem like you have a dislike of Phoenix?? She is powerful on a crazy level.

Dislike Phoenix?

I admire Phoenix!

But that doesn't mean I'm going to agree to an exaggeration to her credit.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Thanos with the HOTU is pretty much God. But so is Toad with the HOTU. Thats power from an external source.

External or not if he has it, he's above her.

Originally posted by UniOmni
PreRetcon Beyonder no longer exists. He's been demoted to a cube.
As has MM.

I know that.

But the the Beyonder and Molecule Man are considered canon anyways, when considering their pre-era.

So what ever FEAT Beyonder and Molecule Man had in their pre-days, can be brought to forums as fact, since until the retcon it was all official.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I thought most of Wandas power was illusionary?? Do you consider her to be more powerful than the PF?? Or just in the general ballpark??

Well she nearly collapse the Multiverse completely as you know with that chaos wave, and rewrote 616.

Phoenix has never shown to be able to destroy the Multiverse or especially rewrite it.

She rewrote 616, that's as far as it goes.
She also repaired the lattice of the M'Kraan crystal, which is a bigger feat, the Crystal can destroy the Multiverse and remake it, but the difference is, The Crystal molds the Multiverse in a premeditated fashion, like a program.

Unlike the UN which re-writes the Multiverse according to one's wishes.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I know the LT is powerful. No surprise there.

Well definitely he can transform being into Universes, many dont know this.

Originally posted by UniOmni
And the ig is powerful too. Again, no surprise there.
But if a being can affect an entire reality, from outside of said reality, doesn't that make it a multiversal being? Since he/she/it affected something from beyond its walls?

Not exactly,

Multiversal means being able to affect more than one universe simultaneously.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
He killed Galactus in the savage land. It was in the marvel multiverse.

Well there you go,

which is exactly why I don't like crossovers, lol.

how many forms of Superman have there been in total? cause it seems like alot

Originally posted by FujiFuu
how many forms of Superman have there been in total? cause it seems like alot

It's completely endless and totally inconsistant which is why I hate Superman.

Why does there have to be sixteen thousand versions of a single character?

AvalonOfTheWind and Mr. Master, you are two of the people on this forum in particular whos views and opinions about comics I o so like ^_^

Originally posted by the Darkone
Mr. Master you are way off ^^^,

1. TOAA/ Thanos w/ THOU
2. Living Trinbunal/ White Corwn Phoenix/True Beyonder
3. IG/ Infinties
4. Eternity/Death/Full-Powered Galactus/Infinity/Oblivion/Abraxas/Exitar

12.Molecule Man is a cube being, and cube beings are a notch above skyfathers. Wanda would below cube beings since Shaper of Worlds can warp reality on a larger scale.

Who's way off really?

Forget about "TOAA"

He's only appeared once in Marvel and it was me who posted the scans.

Thanos is not equal to TOAA since TOAA is the "GOD" of comics, the ARTIST, and the WRITER was called his "corroborator", possibly the "Devil",(you know, the balance between good and evil)

considering it's PRE-RETCON Beyonder and Molecule Man, they both could have destroyed and remade the Multiverse, which at their time was ALL there was.
Between MAY 1984 and October 1986 the Multiverse was, ALL KNOWN EXISTENCE = in 2006 to the Multiverse and EVERYTHING outside it now.

Yea I know what Molecule Man is, that's why we refer to him as POST-RETCON Molecule Man.

"Eternity/Death/Full-Powered Galactus/Infinity/Oblivion/Exitar"
Abraxas is more powerful than any of these abstracts including Exitar and Galactus.

Your own list in proper order.

TOAA
Marvel "GOD"

Multi-Death
resisted THOU

THOU
(Absorbed nearly ALL KNOWN EXISTENCE(including LT)

Living Tribunal
(Has power over the IG & Can Transform a being into a Universe with a touch.)

Beyonders/Infinites(although these are some obscure characters that are seldom seen)But fom what I know about them, they fit confortably here.
(So powerful can't even manifest themselves in our Multiverse but not much else is known about them.

IG
(Resisted the Ultimate Nullifier and contrloled it's energies)

Abraxas
(His purpose when manifested is to destroy the Mutiverse, and he has the power to do it.)

Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity
(The Embodiment of the Multiverse-Time&Space)

White Corwn Phoenix
(Repaired the Lattice of the M'Kraan Crystal & Rewrote the 616 Universe)

Well below these you got:

Full power Galactus
Oblivion? More like Entropy who would equal a FULL powered Galactus

Exitar is way in over his head.

Now this is a hierarchy based on Power, not Roles or essentiality.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Many underestimate the IG.

Dislike Phoenix?

I admire Phoenix!

But that doesn't mean I'm going to agree to an exaggeration to her credit.

External or not if he has it, he's above her.

I know that.

But the the Beyonder and Molecule Man are considered canon anyways, when considering their pre-era.

So what ever FEAT Beyonder and Molecule Man had in their pre-days, can be brought to forums as fact, since until the retcon it was all official.

Well she nearly collapse the Multiverse completely as you know with that chaos wave, and rewrote 616.

Phoenix has never shown to be able to destroy the Multiverse or especially rewrite it.

She rewrote 616, that's as far as it goes.
She also repaired the lattice of the M'Kraan crystal, which is a bigger feat, the Crystal can destroy the Multiverse and remake it, but the difference is, The Crystal molds the Multiverse in a premeditated fashion, like a program.

Lol You should change some of your statement about phoenix and say shes number1 next to the TOAA before that guy galactic storm comes in and this thread becomes a 30 page thread based on galactic storm educating us all on the phoenix force .😆

Originally posted by Jesse7
AvalonOfTheWind and Mr. Master, you are two of the people on this forum in particular whos views and opinions about comics I o so like ^_^

😄

Originally posted by sexyking

I've never felt educated by him, LOL.

Anyway when I debate, I debate with words of truth until I see contortion of facts and iether misleading or misinterpretations of evidence, that's when I hit the scans, then one can monolgue all they want, my response is the on panel proof.

Originally posted by Jesse7
AvalonOfTheWind and Mr. Master, you are two of the people on this forum in particular whos views and opinions about comics I o so like ^_^

Thanks! I try. It's been fun exchanging theories. Mr. M is a pretty cool guy.

^^^Having a reading rainbow moment guys?

Originally posted by UniOmni
^^^Having a reading rainbow moment guys?

I know you had an enlightened moment, lol.

I noticed a few mentions of crossovers but they really arent' considered canon. I remember a few posts a while back that contains references to Access as well as the marvel vs dc comics in canon books. Does that mean they are canon also, I think most of us would agree not. As far as Abraxus never appearing, that is prove in itself that the writers were not thinking of continuity and why it really should be disregarded just like most crossovers.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I know you had an enlightened moment, lol.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
I noticed a few mentions of crossovers but they really arent' considered canon. I remember a few posts a while back that contains references to Access as well as the marvel vs dc comics in canon books. Does that mean they are canon also, I think most of us would agree not. As far as Abraxus never appearing, that is prove in itself that the writers were not thinking of continuity and why it really should be disregarded just like most crossovers.

Let the wisdom shine Big.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Mr. Master wouldn't the Phoenix be considered to have multiversal control considering in the white hot room she governs creation and destruction of the multiverse. Though she has not literally destroyed it on panel its mentioned enough to be considered a fact in current continuity.

Good question,

But does she really have Multiversal power?

When she spread her consciousness across the multiverse she did it via the Lighthouse in Excaliber 52,

Merlin can do the same via the Lighthouse

Excalibur's lighthouse (or actually its outer walls) is a building that simultaneously exists on every Earth throughout the multiverse, thus you can yous it as a firewire(for lack of a better term)to traverse the entire multiverse.

She repaired the Lattice of the M'Kraan Crystal, most impressive of her limited feats(atleast on the scal were talking)

She rewrote 616 Universe but that's it.

Governs creation?

Opal Luna Saturnyne is the Omniversal Majestrix that governs all these universes and oversees their progress, though for a short time, Saturnyne was replaced by her second-in-command Mandragon.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Who's way off really?

Forget about "TOAA"

He's only appeared once in Marvel and it was me who posted the scans.

Thanos is not equal to TOAA since TOAA is the "GOD" of comics, the ARTIST, and the WRITER was called his "corroborator", possibly the "Devil",(you know, the balance between good and evil)

considering it's PRE-RETCON Beyonder and Molecule Man, they both could have destroyed and remade the Multiverse, which at their time was ALL there was.
Between MAY 1984 and October 1986 the Multiverse was, ALL KNOWN EXISTENCE = in 2006 to the Multiverse and EVERYTHING outside it now.

Yea I know what Molecule Man is, that's why we refer to him as POST-RETCON Molecule Man.

"Eternity/Death/Full-Powered Galactus/Infinity/Oblivion/Exitar"
Abraxas is more powerful than any of these abstracts including Exitar and Galactus.

Your own list in proper order.

TOAA
Marvel "GOD"

Multi-Death
resisted THOU

THOU
(Absorbed nearly ALL KNOWN EXISTENCE(including LT)

Living Tribunal
(Has power over the IG & Can Transform a being into a Universe with a touch.)

Beyonders/Infinites(although these are some obscure characters that are seldom seen)But fom what I know about them, they fit confortably here.
(So powerful can't even manifest themselves in our Multiverse but not much else is known about them.

IG
(Resisted the Ultimate Nullifier and contrloled it's energies)

Abraxas
(His purpose when manifested is to destroy the Mutiverse, and he has the power to do it.)

Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity
(The Embodiment of the Multiverse-Time&Space)

🤨 White Corwn Phoenix
(Repaired the Lattice of the M'Kraan Crystal & Rewrote the 616 Universe)

Well below these you got:

Full power Galactus
Oblivion? More like Entropy who would equal a FULL powered Galactus

Exitar is way in over his head.

Now this is a hierarchy based on Power, not Roles or essentiality.

White Crown Phoenix is above the othe Cosmic abstracts, she holds the universe in her hand.

Originally posted by UniOmni
^^^Having a reading rainbow moment guys?

Worse. I typed that on a PSP.... probably the most painfull experience I've had lately. 😠

You actually bought a psp?? Why? Most people i know just play old roms of the company that Sony fanboys(not saying you)love to bash.
Which is so ironic that my head hurts.