Is being bisexual a sin?

Started by Nellinator17 pages

I have already explained in other threads that Jesus fulfilled the law. What goes into the body does make a man unclean. Jesus said this and I accept.

To be picky the verse says not to mix cotton will wool. And interestingly enough I have never had any clothing that have done this. On second thought... that isn't interesting at all.

You need to learn to read and interpret. No wonder you cannot understand the Bible. I said I do not hate people, I hate acts of the sinful nature. I say it again in another way. I hate the sin not the sinner. Another way? I hate homosexuality not homosexuals. I hate evil not evil-doers (for we all are).
"To fear the Lord is to hate evil" Proverbs 8:13.

Yes God did write the Book. You simply will not accept this fact. Prophecy is from God. Prophecy is God-breathed and inspired by the Holy Spirit whether or not you like it.

Judging is telling condemn people to fates that I have no control over. I do not do this despite what you may think.

You can say anything you want over and over again. That doesnt change fact. You personally do not get to decide fact. If you dont like it...thats your problem.

"You need to learn to read and interpret." This coming from the guy who claims that the bible should be taken literally. THAT is called hypocrisy.

I do not hate people. That is fact.

No, it is not hypocracy because I am not God. Sometimes what I write has hidden and alternate meanings. I therefore, require interpretation.

Most of what God writes does not. What leaves no room for interpretation needs not to be interpreted. You don't seem to understand this. Not all the Bible is literal. But, God has one meaning behind everything.

Some of the Bible contains vague meanings and needs interpretation, but these interpretations must coincide with the message that the Bible teaches.

Originally posted by Nellinator
I have already explained in other threads that Jesus fulfilled the law. What goes into the body does make a man unclean. Jesus said this and I accept.

To be picky the verse says not to mix cotton will wool. And interestingly enough I have never had any clothing that have done this. On second thought... that isn't interesting at all.

I am fairly sure there are blends out there that do it.

You need to learn to read and interpret. No wonder you cannot understand the Bible. I said I do not hate people, I hate acts of the sinful nature. I say it again in another way. I hate the sin not the sinner. Another way? I hate homosexuality not homosexuals. I hate evil not evil-doers (for we all are).
"To fear the Lord is to hate evil" Proverbs 8:13.

I can understand why murder would be a sin. Why theft would be a sin. I can understand why God would chuck a wobbly at someone worshipping idols. But why oh why is it a sin against God for two men to be together? Why should I hate their relationship? If I were to willingly condemn people to an unhappy passage through life as they could not express their love/lust like anybody else I want a good reason. Not just because "God said." My parents learned early on it was better to give me actual reasons for something, as I refused to be satisfied with "because I said so."

Yes God did write the Book. You simply will not accept this fact. Prophecy is from God. Prophecy is God-breathed and inspired by the Holy Spirit whether or not you like it.

Only if you believe it, and just believing it doesn't make it true.

Judging is telling condemn people to fates that I have no control over. I do not do this despite what you may think.

Depends on ones perspective really. If I turn my nose up in disgust at some drunken person vomiting in the gutter - what am I doing? Judging them and finding them unpleasant. If I hate someones lifestyle I would also be judging it - in the case based upon perceived laws set down in a book. Just because one doesn't act upon the judgement (one leaves that to God) doesn't mean a judgment of that person has not been made and that they haven't been found wanting.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Depends on ones perspective really. If I turn my nose up in disgust at some drunken person vomiting in the gutter - what am I doing? Judging them and finding them unpleasant. If I hate someones lifestyle I would also be judging it - in the case based upon perceived laws set down in a book. Just because one doesn't act upon the judgement (one leaves that to God) doesn't mean a judgment of that person has not been made and that they haven't been found wanting.

I agree with this especially...at leat its best for public discussion.

There are more types of judgement than holy judgement.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura

I can understand why murder would be a sin. Why theft would be a sin. I can understand why God would chuck a wobbly at someone worshipping idols. But why oh why is it a sin against God for two men to be together? Why should I hate their relationship? If I were to willingly condemn people to an unhappy passage through life as they could not express their love/lust like anybody else I want a good reason. Not just because "God said." My parents learned early on it was better to give me actual reasons for something, as I refused to be satisfied with "because I said so."

Depends on ones perspective really. If I turn my nose up in disgust at some drunken person vomiting in the gutter - what am I doing? Judging them and finding them unpleasant. If I hate someones lifestyle I would also be judging it - in the case based upon perceived laws set down in a book. Just because one doesn't act upon the judgement (one leaves that to God) doesn't mean a judgment of that person has not been made and that they haven't been found wanting.

Now this is where my uncertainty would lie. I do not know for sure why God condemns homosexuality. But God has proven to be merciful and full of grace and love to me many times over and this allows me to trust Him. I know that God is greater and wiser than I am. Here is my thought on why God dislikes homosexuality (it may or may not be true and for the sake of peace that us just assume that God is real):
God created the earth and put man in it. Man was created in God's image and given my characteristics (human nature). Therefore, man (Adam), got lonely. God saw this and created woman to be man's companion and the man to be woman's companion. This was perfect, as were all things before the Fall. Now I believe that because after the Fall man was given over to his sinful nature, some men became attracted to other men. God intended for man and woman to be each other's companions. Homosexuality was not a part of God's perfect beginning. And it seems that everything that everything that was not intended in the God's perfect beginning is a sin (lying, murder, rape, etc.). I cannot claim this thought to be true, but I believe that I will eventually find answers by understanding God's nature.
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding." Proverbs 9:10

I think you make an excellent and important point in your last paragraph. Though, we try not to judge others we sometimes do. This is a sin, and we are all guilty of it. By realizing that we sin we can improve ourselves.

well first of all how do you defien homosexuality, is it just the attraction between two people of the same sex or is it commiting the acts. I believe its ok to be gay, my churchs views, which i agree with, is that theres nothign wrong with being a homosexual, just committing homosexual acts that are because we believe in procreation and obviously that cannot occur in a gay relationship. In fact I read an article about a bishop, who was attracted to males, but was capable of leading a life of cellibacy and never did anything wrong. Personally, I believe the general gay populus is born with a genetic mutation that gives them that kind of mindset.

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
well first of all how do you defien homosexuality, is it just the attraction between two people of the same sex or is it commiting the acts. I believe its ok to be gay, my churchs views, which i agree with, is that theres nothign wrong with being a homosexual, just committing homosexual acts that are because we believe in procreation and obviously that cannot occur in a gay relationship.

What about infertile couples?

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
well first of all how do you defien homosexuality, is it just the attraction between two people of the same sex or is it commiting the acts. I believe its ok to be gay, my churchs views, which i agree with, is that theres nothign wrong with being a homosexual, just committing homosexual acts that are because we believe in procreation and obviously that cannot occur in a gay relationship. In fact I read an article about a bishop, who was attracted to males, but was capable of leading a life of cellibacy and never did anything wrong. Personally, I believe the general gay populus is born with a genetic mutation that gives them that kind of mindset.

So.... it is ok to be gay, as long as you don't become part of a gay relationship, as such a relationship will not produce children, and that is the purpose of a relationship. If you are gay the correct thing to do is remain celibate, aeven though once again you will not be producing children....

Originally posted by Storm
What about infertile couples?

What do people who can't have children normally do, its an 8 letter word that begins with a

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
So.... it is ok to be gay, as long as you don't become part of a gay relationship, as such a relationship will not produce children, and that is the purpose of a relationship. If you are gay the correct thing to do is remain celibate, aeven though once again you will not be producing children....

Ok I did not say that was the purpose of a relationship, you put words in my mouth. Many people have relationships with no intention of having kids. My view is that if they have a relationship then sex cannot be involved because it is not for procreation. For the second part, once again you make a wrong conjecture abotu what i said. I never said anywhere that gays coudlnt be in a relationship and that you are supposed to procreate. Its simple, if your not goign to ahve sex to procreate its not considered to be a good thing, not pickign on gays or straight people, one rule for everyone.

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
What do people who can't have children normally do, its an 8 letter word that begins with a

Homosexual couples can resort to adoption as well.

So again, infertile couples are also sinful since the end of their union isn' t procreation, as are older people.

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
well first of all how do you defien homosexuality, is it just the attraction between two people of the same sex or is it commiting the acts. I believe its ok to be gay, my churchs views, which i agree with, is that theres nothign wrong with being a homosexual, just committing homosexual acts that are because we believe in procreation and obviously that cannot occur in a gay relationship. In fact I read an article about a bishop, who was attracted to males, but was capable of leading a life of cellibacy and never did anything wrong. Personally, I believe the general gay populus is born with a genetic mutation that gives them that kind of mindset.

I completely agree, I mean liberals and their hate... I personally don't hate black people, it's ok to be black as long as they don't marry us white folk and well stay in Africa, I mean why do they want to come to America?!

Originally posted by Storm
Homosexual couples can resort to adoption as well.

So again, infertile couples are also sinful since the end of their union isn' t procreation, as are older people.

Ok I don't see your point with this first statement because once again, i didn't say homosexuals coudln't adopt or even that it was a bad thing

Cmon now Storm!, if your tryign to procreate and it doesnt hapen becuase your infertile or cant conceive, then its not held agaisnt you obviously.

Originally posted by Eis
I completely agree, I mean liberals and their hate... I personally don't hate black people, it's ok to be black as long as they don't marry us white folk and well stay in Africa, I mean why do they want to come to America?!

😱 You my friend are a closet bigot, and you don't even know it. I am not insulting you, because my parents were closet bigots also. Black people have the same rights as white people. I hope you were joking.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
😱 You my friend are a closet bigot, and you don't even know it. I am not insulting you, because my parents were closet bigots also. Black people have the same rights as white people. I hope you were joking.

I'm not a bigot, I don't hate black people but come on I mean they were like animals until we found them... I just think they should be A LITTLE more grateful to us instead of marrying our women.

Originally posted by Eis
I'm not a bigot, I don't hate black people but come on I mean they were like animals until we found them... I just think they should be A LITTLE more grateful to us instead of marrying our women.

Read closer, I didn't say you were a bigot, I said you were a closet bigot. A closet bigot is someone who dose not do thing overtly to discriminate but is passive aggressive in there bigotry.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Read closer, I didn't say you were a bigot, I said you were a closet bigot. A closet bigot is someone who dose not do thing overtly to discriminate but is passive aggressive in there bigotry.

So just because I think black people are equivalent to animals it means I'm a closet bigot?!

Originally posted by Eis
So just because I think black people are equivalent to animals it means I'm a closet bigot?!

Yes, now you get it.

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
Ok I don't see your point with this first statement because once again, i didn't say homosexuals coudln't adopt or even that it was a bad thing

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
What do people who can't have children normally do, its an 8 letter word that begins with a

I didn' t see the relevance of your statement above, but I wanted to point out nonetheless that homosexual couples can do exactly the same.

Originally posted by gordomuchacho

Cmon now Storm!, if your tryign to procreate and it doesnt hapen becuase your infertile or cant conceive, then its not held agaisnt you obviously.

Though the disconnect between homosexuality and procreation is held against homosexuals.