The weirdest thing ive read at forums about WW and the Gods aspect is that since she gets the strength directly from Gaea (an assumption, since originally it was Demeter who did it and some writers, sticked to it) her strength surely must be skyfather level.
But since she never did anything that gets her above the top tier strength so far, either Gaea is only top tier or theres no way she gets it all.
Ah, the contradictions that arise in the air.
Why is this so long....?
Superman is the weak link. Diana can go toe to toe with either of them and hold her own but one good hammer toss or a bolt of Shazam lightening takes Supes out of the game.
Diana would have to be very smart by giving Superman her bracelets so he can deflect the magical attacks and using the Invisible Planet to create added defense to Superman from any magical attacks that get through Superman's defense.
But they still lose...
Originally posted by Draco69
Why is this so long....?Superman is the weak link. Diana can go toe to toe with either of them and hold her own but one good hammer toss or a bolt of Shazam lightening takes Supes out of the game.
Diana would have to be very smart by giving Superman her bracelets so he can deflect the magical attacks and using the Invisible Planet to create added defense to Superman from any magical attacks that get through Superman's defense.
But they still lose...
Well diana could end the fight very quickly with the guantlet of atlas, or a god wave punch to Thor's dome. Superman can run interference on CM. Thor's powers are too exotic and dangerous to superman.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well diana could end the fight very quickly with the guantlet of atlas, or a god wave punch to Thor's dome. Superman can run interference on CM. Thor's powers are too exotic and dangerous to superman.
If Diana had all her equipment, than the battle would end quickly. However the threadstarter didn't specify she had all her weapons so we're assuming she has her standard tech.
I personally don't know where her Gauntlets of Atlas is. I think we last saw it in her Wonderdome.
Originally posted by Draco69
If Diana had all her equipment, than the battle would end quickly. However the threadstarter didn't specify she had all her weapons so we're assuming she has her standard tech.I personally don't know where her Gauntlets of Atlas is. I think we last saw it in her Wonderdome.
there are two gauntlets. One was lost by Artemis and the other is in possesion of WW in her dome. What is her standard equip. SOmetimes I see her with the sword of Hephestious and her sandles. Sometimes I don't. And Ur right, as much as people want to make her out to be the weak link, Superman is the weak link here. Any magic that Cap marvel has that makes him Superman's equal is lost against Diana.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Magic isn't what makes him Superman's equal.His brute power and durability give him that.
His magic fist option is what gives him the edge against Superman.
No magic fist, they beat on each other till the cows come home.
Magic fists though??
He beats him to a pulp, in a good but decisive fight.
Superman is much faster than Cap. And has shown greater strength feats than cap or diana. Superman has heat vision and wind and freezing breath. Cap is not Super's equal. Not even close.
Dakrseid has virtually no lifting feats.
But we see how Superman gets laid out in three punches.
So we interpret that as showing Superman is weaker than Darky.
Same for Cap Marvel.
He doesn't have the exposure that Superman does.
He might be faster. But its not such a difference that Cap is a statue to the guy. And he does have hv...And icebreath.
But those aren't deciding factors in a brick fight.
But when they fight, its always a pretty even match.
So, are you now going to say that Superman is stronger than Darkseid, since Darky has no lifting feats?
Please do, so that i may laugh at you.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Cap is not Super's equal. Not even close.
Furthermore, suggesting that Cap isn't close to Superman yet WW is would be a total joke.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Dakrseid has virtually no lifting feats.But we see how Superman gets laid out in three punches.
So we interpret that as showing Superman is weaker than Darky.
Same for Cap Marvel.
He doesn't have the exposure that Superman does.
He might be faster. But its not such a difference that Cap is a statue to the guy. And he does have hv...And icebreath.
But those aren't deciding factors in a brick fight.
But when they fight, its always a pretty even match.
So, are you now going to say that Superman is stronger than Darkseid, since Darky has no lifting feats?
Please do, so that i may laugh at you.
I'm only going by what others have said on the forum. When I presented my argument that WW has hurt Superman much more than Captain marvel EVER has, someone said, it still doesn't mean she's as strong becuz she doesn't have lifting feats. So maybe you can save ur laugh for another day.
Originally posted by Validus
I don't see how it's possible to believe that unless of course you go by the handbook strength of Hercules crap. That's like saying Superman's max strength output is only enough to stop a moving train.Furthermore, suggesting that Cap isn't close to Superman yet WW is would be a total joke.
WW is Superman's match becuz she is made for Uber Defense. Cap is not. WW can't match Superman's Dmg output becuz Superman has more offensive power. But she's his match in a one on one becuz she matches him strength wise, she matches his offense with defense, and she is far more skilled, giving her the ummph she needs to make the match even. SO maybe you should go look up another joke.
Originally posted by olympian
Now that is extreme. CM isent even close to Superman? The same Cm that with a broken arm held his own against WW and others in the Neron underworld series? That has stalemated Supes in raw strength more than once?Ditto to validus.
Neron Was controlling all of those heroes. Mind and action. They were like puppets. None of them were using any skills. Please dont' bring that up when they were just puppets. They weren't even mind controlled. At least when superman was fighting diana, he was acting under his own violition, he was just mis informed about who he was attacking. The justice league didnt' even know they were attacking cap, they were out of it. try that one again.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
WW is Superman's match becuz she is made for Uber Defense. Cap is not.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
she matches him strength wise
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
she matches his offense with defense
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
and she is far more skilled, giving her the ummph she needs to make the match even.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
SO maybe you should go look up another joke.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Neron Was controlling all of those heroes. Mind and action. They were like puppets. None of them were using any skills. Please dont' bring that up when they were just puppets. They weren't even mind controlled. At least when superman was fighting diana, he was acting under his own violition, he was just mis informed about who he was attacking. The justice league didnt' even know they were attacking cap, they were out of it. try that one again.
Acting under his own violation? 😆
Mind controlled is what again? Same thing as puppets isent it?
Maybe we should dischart the WW ones, because since Supes was not onto himself, he sure wasent using his powers.
Man, not even J would go that far.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
WW is Superman's match becuz she is made for Uber Defense. Cap is not. WW can't match Superman's Dmg output becuz Superman has more offensive power. But she's his match in a one on one becuz she matches him strength wise, she matches his offense with defense, and she is far more skilled, giving her the ummph she needs to make the match even. SO maybe you should go look up another joke.
Hit the dictionary and search for the word "match".
The statements so far regarding WW and CM strength by Superman give the edge to the later.
Originally posted by Validus
Cap is more durable than Wonder Woman. Always has been. Always will be. Like Omni said, Superman and Cap could probably fight each all day with neither gaining any advantage. In the Pre-Crisis days, thats exactly how all their fights were. Endless punching with no end in sight.No she doesn't. Put down your handbook and pick up a comic.
Does her no good. She can't win if she sits there with her bracelets crossed all day.
Sadly it's never portrayed that way.
Go work on your one liners.
Cap isn't any more durable than WW when it comes to blunt force truama. And WW was rated by BATMAN's omac files as A1 right there with Superman. She has beaten a couple White martians, who were repeatedly stated and shown to be as strong, fast, and tuff as superman. So yeah, maybe I'm reading the wrong comics. if your trying to insult me. Try harder.
Originally posted by olympian
Acting under his own violation? 😆Mind controlled is what again? Same thing as puppets isent it?
Maybe we should dischart the WW ones, because since Supes was not onto himself, he sure wasent using his powers.
Man, not even J would go that far.
Hit the dictionary and search for the word "match".
The statements so far regarding WW and CM strength by Superman give the edge to the later.
Statements? this forum is a hack when it comes to statements. Sometimes you guys say statements count when it suits ur arguments, other times statements dont' count and it's all about showings when the statement doesn't suit ur arguement. Show me one good fight where cap has taken the kind of unleashed power against him that Diana has against superman, and then show me where cap has hurt superman WORSE or even equal to diana and I'll concede. Until then, I'm sticking with my statements.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Statements? this forum is a hack when it comes to statements. Sometimes you guys say statements count when it suits ur arguments, other times statements dont' count and it's all about showings when the statement doesn't suit ur arguement. Show me one good fight where cap has taken the kind of unleashed power against him that Diana has against superman, and then show me where cap has hurt superman WORSE or even equal to diana and I'll concede. Until then, I'm sticking with my statements.
Everything that happens in a comic matters to me. And play fair, it was you who trew the "superman has called Diana her equal" early on this debate.
Cap has:
- Armwrestle him twice for hours with no winner
- knocked him out twice
- Made him bleed in less than three shots in Superman/Batman
- And while holding back until the end of the figth he took the punishment that a vicious eclipso Superman wailed on him.
Here is a good start (with full credits to the site and thorion):
http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=100475
Hit it.
Originally posted by olympian
Everything that happens in a comic matters to me. And play fair, it was you who trew the "superman has called Diana her equal" early on this debate.Cap has:
- Armwrestle him twice for hours with no winner
- knocked him out twice
- Made him bleed in less than three shots in Superman/Batman
- And while holding back until the end of the figth he took the punishment that a vicious eclipso Superman wailed on him.
Here is a good start (with full credits to the site and thorion):
http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=100475
Hit it.
And all of this still doesn't equal the knock down drag out fights that WW and Supers have had over the years. Cap hasn't broken any bones of Superman to my rec. breaking the man of steal's bones is a tremendous feat of power. Or say it isnt' so and I"ll concede.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Cap isn't any more durable than WW when it comes to blunt force truama. And WW was rated by BATMAN's omac files as A1 right there with Superman. She has beaten a couple White martians, who were repeatedly stated and shown to be as strong, fast, and tuff as superman. So yeah, maybe I'm reading the wrong comics. if your trying to insult me. Try harder.