Palpatine = Sidious very obvious from beginning

In the TPM DVD commentary, Lucas says: "I introduce Darth Sidious via hologram because that's how he was originally introduced in The Empire Strikes Back."

um.. he was introduced as the emperor in ESB, Lucas obviously didn't want a surprise for Palpatine in the PT. I thought there might of in EP III, but to much stuff put me off that thinkning

Palps/Sidious was so obvious (read: TOO obvious) from the beginning of EP1 that I hoped there would be some twist to it later on.

Sadly, the story arc was aimed at 5 year olds, so no twist for me. 🙁

My nieces & nephews had an idea they were one-in-the-same before ROTS, kids talk about movies just like adults. My gf who saw eps I, II and III without seeing 4-6 did not know, and I kept her spoiler free, (AFAIK)!

I din't know that papatine was the emperor when I saw episode I. I only started to notice the resemblence upon seeing episode 2 on dvd. I honestly discovered that palpatine is the emeperor by myself. Back then i was so proud of myself and thought I was the only one who knew that secret. I will never forget the wonderfull feeling when I discovered that palpatine is the emperor, it was like solving a murder mystery.

That has value.

I think the point is not that the plot twist, such as it was, was aimed at five year olds. But it was not aimed at die hard fans who know absolutely everything abvout Star Wars and wanted another ESB style twist that was never going to happen.

Such people were never going to be surprised.

Originally posted by JediRobin23
um.. he was introduced as the emperor in ESB, Lucas obviously didn't want a surprise for Palpatine in the PT. I thought there might of in EP III, but to much stuff put me off that thinkning

You miss the point. In the TPM commentary, he says that he introduced "Darth Sidious" in ESB. Meaning Palpatine is Sidious. He inadvertantly let that slip when TPM came out.

If Lucas said sidious then whats the big deal. We knew Sidious is going to be the emperor. If Lucas said he introduced Palpatine, then its a different story, You missed the point

It was not inadvertent... it was never supposed to be a secret. There's a close up of Palpatine right after Mace's "master and apprentice" speech... if you couldn't figure it out from that you're pretty ****ing dense. Plus, they're played by the same actor and it says Palpatine becomes the Emperor on the back of the box...

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
It was not inadvertent... it was never supposed to be a secret. There's a close up of Palpatine right after Mace's "master and apprentice" speech... if you couldn't figure it out from that you're pretty ****ing dense. Plus, they're played by the same actor and it says Palpatine becomes the Emperor on the back of the box...

You are missing the point too. Go back and read. I never said that it was supposed to be a secret. I said that Lucas himself confirmed his real identity when TPM was released.

Understand?

Okay, fine... but you said "He inadvertantly let that slip...", which would imply that it was an accidental mistake... which it wasn't... because it wasn't a secret... but whatever...

Lucas could have filmed Sidious' revelation as a huge plot twist, with crescendo music, and dramatic closeups . . . but he didn't. Anakin could have had a tortured look on his face, ala' Luke, but Lucas didn't go that way.

It makes me think it wasn't as huge a revelation as if he had made the films sequentially.

Go watch the RotS Special Features DVD. On the Web Documentary, "Becoming Sidious", Ian McDiarmid says that he is Darth Sidious - but that isn't a fact that Lucas confirmed nor denied.

I'm saying he confirmed it on TPM's commentary. So I'm not ****ing stupid, now, am I?

It wasn't a plot twist directed to five year olds. It was just Lucas showing the jedi discovering the secret of Palpatine. He's just telling a story. Nothing directed to kids to surprise them..

Originally posted by Escape81
Go watch the RotS Special Features DVD. On the Web Documentary, "Becoming Sidious", Ian McDiarmid says that he is Darth Sidious - but that isn't a fact that Lucas confirmed nor denied.

I'm saying he confirmed it on TPM's commentary. So I'm not ****ing stupid, now, am I?

It was not inadvertent is all I'm saying... it was intentional.

Lucas confirmed Sidious as being the emperor, not Palpatine.
BTW, Lucas only says things intentionally, not accidentally.

I was kinda hoping for a big plot twist, but its ok. I'm still satisfied with Ep III, although it would have been cool...

Your avatar scares me..

Well...of course it was pretty obvious.

I mean...It was kinda hard to miss.

Specialy at the end of TPM when Yoda and Mace are discussing the sith and the camera shot is turned over to palpy...who could miss that?

i wasn't really suprised by anakin becoming darth vader or palpatine being the sith lord. most star wars fans knew from the first they saw episode 1. anyone who had seen the original trilogy knew how it was all going to end but it was just interesting to see how anakin turned the dark side and stuff starwars

Yep, they are the finest prequels ever made.