Batman vs. Ultimate Colossus

Originally posted by Decay
if this was 616 colossus id say batman has no chance, but ultimate colossus has a huge weakness in his eyes, their still vunerable to the same damage as a normal persons (im pretty sure thats the case). with batmans accuracy and the amount of took he has i could see him winning, as long as he didnt try and head to head.

i think this is the first time ive actually argued for batman, but id give it to him the majority, colossus isnt an overly skilled fighter, all he has going for him is strength, hes heavy and slow, not really very tactical. the only things hes better in are strength and duribility, i think batman is fast and skilled enough to avoid contact until he can exploit the big weakness colossus has.

if that doesnt work batman always has his fairly lean body covered in form fitting spandex he could use to distract colossus.

Colossus is:

-By no means slow, he's actually faster than a peak human, in level 3 of super-speed, in both reflexes AND speed.
-Surprisingly tactical, he doesn't just charge into fights everytime the way most powerhouses do.

That eye thing really needs to be retconned. Colossus dove to the BOTTOM OF THE DAMN OCEAN and carried a gi-normous submarine back up to shore. If he had normal eyes, they would've imploded from the sheer pressure of this task. Wait, I have another example. He also took a direct, localized nuclear blast. Tell me, what happens to eyes that are in range of a nuclear blast? They melt. Colossus's eyes didn't melt. I can't believe they went and did that to him, it's such bull and completely contradicts his previous feats. And that was only brought out in the Ultimate Galactus arc, right? Is that cannon to Ultimate?

Even still, his eyes are small. I don't think Bats will have the chance to do that to him before he gets stomped. Especially since Colossus's endurance and stamina is FAR superior to Batman's (nigh-limitless, for all intents and purposes).

Originally posted by Metalmanx

The steel-man was able to WALK THROUGH MAGNETO'S POWERS. Mags was trying hard to hold him down, especially when he kept getting closer. He tried harder and harder, but Colossus just forced his way through and socked him.
Ultimate Colossus for the win.

I agree Ultimate Colossus beats Batman, with ease, but my god that was bullcrap. Colossus walking through Magneto's powers? What a joke! 🙁

Bat Soup!!!

Originally posted by nimrod009
I agree Ultimate Colossus beats Batman, with ease, but my god that was bullcrap. Colossus walking through Magneto's powers? What a joke! 🙁

I kinda see it both ways really.

1. Yea. He shouldn't have been able to, being he was going up against Magneto and all. Being made of metal should've instantly been his downfall here.

But.

2. It showed both just how damn strong he is as well as his sheer determination and passion for his loved ones. I mean, he had no chance against someone like Magneto. He was alreay pushed to his limits with nothing left to give. But, by sheer force of will and determination, he somehow gave more than he had, breaking past his limits to save Wolverine. You've seen even how 616 Colossus gets when one of his loved ones is in danger. He's a damn beast, a runaway train that is not going to be stopped.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Nope. That's not how Ultimate Colossus works. Unlike 616 Colossus, when Ult. Colossus is knocked out, he REMAINS in whatever form he was in when he was KOed. It happened in Ultimate X-Men Volume #4, for example. He was knocked out, but managed to transform before passing out completely. So he was KOed, but still all steel-like.

So, Bats can try all he wants. Colossus will stay Colossus.

And Ultimate Colosuss (especially) has more endurance and heart than even 616 I think. The steel-man was able to WALK THROUGH MAGNETO'S POWERS. Mags was trying hard to hold him down, especially when he kept getting closer. He tried harder and harder, but Colossus just forced his way through and socked him. So, I don't see why he can't just push through the pain and force his way through the sonic blast to get to Batman. It's not like it'd be the first time he's fought through severe (and worse) pain.

Ultimate Colossus for the win.

Read Vol. 11 of Ultimate X-men 😉

Arcade used a sonic device that forced Colossus to revert back to his human form

Originally posted by Grimm22
Read Vol. 11 of Ultimate X-men 😉

Arcade used a sonic device that forced Colossus to revert back to his human form

I have it. Thanks for reminding me. In fact, I have all the volumes of Ultimate X-Men.

Even though it happened, that contradicts both Colossus's bio and his previous feats, which is weird.

one flick in colossus's finger and batman is a goner

Originally posted by batdude123
You're joking, right? 🤨 Colossus would smoke him.

You just gained a lot of respect from me. 😛

As said many times in this thread, Colossus completely and utterly overpowers Bats.

And by the way, does Batman usually carry around a specific sonic device that he could use on Colossus to revert him back to his human form? Because I don't usually see him using that. 🤨

You also have to remember that Colossus is bloodlusted. He charges at Batman, there's nothing Bruce is going to be able to do (not to undermine Batman's speed, but as I understand it, Colossus has superhuman speed and reflexes).

Yeah Colossus would take Batman down...Batman wthout prep isn't going to work. And still with prep he needs to know what Colossus's weaknesses are and for that you need fight where Batman dies...So yeah. Colossus can take him out of the game.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I have it. Thanks for reminding me. In fact, I have all the volumes of Ultimate X-Men.

Even though it happened, that contradicts both Colossus's bio and his previous feats, which is weird.

Not really considering that Ultimate Colossus has a lot more weaknesses than 616 Colossus does (Ex: Eyes, Ears)

Originally posted by Grimm22
Not really considering that Ultimate Colossus has a lot more weaknesses than 616 Colossus does (Ex: Eyes, Ears)

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Nope. That's not how Ultimate Colossus works. Unlike 616 Colossus, when Ult. Colossus is knocked out, he REMAINS in whatever form he was in when he was KOed. It happened in Ultimate X-Men Volume #4, for example. He was knocked out, but managed to transform before passing out completely. So he was KOed, but still all steel-like.

So, Bats can try all he wants. Colossus will stay Colossus.

And Ultimate Colosuss (especially) has more endurance and heart than even 616 I think. The steel-man was able to WALK THROUGH MAGNETO'S POWERS. Mags was trying hard to hold him down, especially when he kept getting closer. He tried harder and harder, but Colossus just forced his way through and socked him. So, I don't see why he can't just push through the pain and force his way through the sonic blast to get to Batman. It's not like it'd be the first time he's fought through severe (and worse) pain.

Ultimate Colossus for the win.

wrong when Arcade used a sonar device on him colossus turned back into normal form, while STILL awake.
oops just noticed that this was rectified above, sorry.

plus when has ultimate colossus shown to be above peak speed and have faster reflexes?

Originally posted by batdude123
You're joking, right? 🤨 Colossus would smoke him.

most likely his pole.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
You just gained a lot of respect from me. 😛

As said many times in this thread, Colossus completely and utterly overpowers Bats.

And by the way, does Batman usually carry around a specific sonic device that he could use on Colossus to revert him back to his human form? Because I don't usually see him using that. 🤨

He shows that he keeps it with him in Legends Of The Dark Knight: 205 or 206.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
He shows that he keeps it with him in Legends Of The Dark Knight: 205 or 206.

But the thing is, how would Batman know what frequency? I mean, he can throw sonics at Colossus all he wants, but it they're not the specific frequency, all they're going to do is annoy Colossus. And well, an annoyed Colossus = dead Batman.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
But the thing is, how would Batman know what frequency? I mean, he can throw sonics at Colossus all he wants, but it they're not the specific frequency, all they're going to do is annoy Colossus. And well, an annoyed Colossus = dead Batman.

no the sonics go in the ear and because colossus is metal it reverberates through his skull, just like arcade says.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
But the thing is, how would Batman know what frequency? I mean, he can throw sonics at Colossus all he wants, but it they're not the specific frequency, all they're going to do is annoy Colossus. And well, an annoyed Colossus = dead Batman.

Originally posted by Juntai
He stumped up Superman with a sonic device, as well as several other high end characters. Arguing frequency sounds kinda lame especailly when it's probably not noted in either Batman's use of them, or in Collosus' being taken out by them. This IS an attack quickly used by Batman, it will gather him some wins in the confrontation.

I suppose you could see it that way. But then you have to wonder what feats to believe on Colossus's part. He's been knocked out before, and stayed transformed. Then Arcade hits him with a sonic device, he reverts back to human and then passes out. Just seems weird compared to all the other punishment he's taken before and didn't have to transform back.

I still believe Colossus wins the majority here.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I suppose you could see it that way. But then you have to wonder what feats to believe on Colossus's part. He's been knocked out before, and stayed transformed. Then Arcade hits him with a sonic device, he reverts back to human and then passes out. Just seems weird compared to all the other punishment he's taken before and didn't have to transform back.

I still believe Colossus wins the majority here.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I suppose you could see it that way. But then you have to wonder what feats to believe on Colossus's part. He's been knocked out before, and stayed transformed. Then Arcade hits him with a sonic device, he reverts back to human and then passes out. Just seems weird compared to all the other punishment he's taken before and didn't have to transform back.

I still believe Colossus wins the majority here.

colossus still wins majority, but i think we have a misunderstanding about the sonic devices. he doesn't hit colossus with it. he holds it himself as colossus picks him up and it emits the noise that, because colossus ear canals are metal, reverberates around his skull. this causes colossus alot of pain. so this is why i think he loses metal form, he can't concentrate. and he doesn't pass out, he falls to his knees, hand over ears moaning.