Superman Reviews - Post Yours!

Originally posted by C-Dic
Not negative, neutral. There's a difference.

I doubt it. I've read your other posts, and you clearly have an agenda simply because you didn't like the new guy playing Superman and the rest of the cast.

Which is understandable, I too grew up with Christopher Reeves as Superman and I doubted anyone could possibly be a good stand-in. Brandon Routh proved me wrong (kinda...these two are so alike anyway) but I understand that we all gotta move on. Superman is timeless. And time does not wait for us to linger in the past. It will keep moving foreward, whether we like it or not.

At least, we can agree it was certainly better than most superhero movies. Like X-Men or Elektra or that piece of bile named the Hulk.

Don't get me started on Catwoman.

I think it was even to Batman Begins. I give Superman Returns the edge because we can actually SEE him fighting and he had a better villain. Scarecrow and Ra Ghul were terrible villains.

Originally posted by Draco69
I think it was even to Batman Begins. I give Superman Returns the edge because we can actually SEE him fighting and he had a better villain. Scarecrow and Ra Ghul were terrible villains.

Bah!

Ra's Al Ghul was the best villain, IMO!

Smart, menacing, and most of all unsuspected. There is nothing more frightening than not knowing your enemies.

Originally posted by Draco69
I doubt it. I've read your other posts, and you clearly have an agenda simply because you didn't like the new guy playing Superman and the rest of the cast.

Which is understandable, I too grew up with Christopher Reeves as Superman and I doubted anyone could possibly be a good stand-in. Brandon Routh proved me wrong (kinda...these two are so alike anyway) but I understand that we all gotta move on. Superman is timeless. And time does not wait for us to linger in the past. It will keep moving foreward, whether we like it or not.

At least, we can agree it was certainly better than most superhero movies. Like X-Men or Elektra or that piece of bile named the Hulk.

Don't get me started on Catwoman.

I think it was even to Batman Begins. I give Superman Returns the edge because we can actually SEE him fighting and he had a better villain. Scarecrow and Ra Ghul were terrible villains.

An agenda? That's insane! I've always been opinionated, so why hold back on a movie I was clearly unimpressed with? I couldn't care less who was in the lead role. I didn't even like the original Superman movie. Equally as long and unengaging, sold on a "Pro-USA" theme, which they cleverly avoided, i.e. "truth, justice, and all that stuff..". Reeve was a one hit wonder, as well. Routh lacked intensity, charisma, and the cunning that Kent had. I don't think Routh made for a great Superman other than his looks, those eyes were empty, though. Kate Bosworth was equally as flat, given Margot Kidder's Lois was one that was flighty, ditzy, and clearly taken aback whenever she was in Superman's presence. Lex Luthor was about as menacing a "villain" as Dr. Evil. "Watch me as I try and flood a city so I can raise up some rocks for absolutely no reason other than because I can!" 🙄 Great plot for a summer blockbuster, bring Supes out of retirement to stop an evil rock city. What the ****.

Superman vs Luthor was so weak, it may as well have been non-existant. Superman finds Lex,

Spoiler:
gets stabbed with kryptonite

"Batman Begins", in most everyone's opinion is head and shoulders above "Returns". Bale has charisma. Bale has intensity. Bale is imposing. Bale is a flawed human being, the likes of which we can all relate. The villains aren't the focus here, although they're equally as real. That said, Cillian Murphy was ****ing maniac, and credible as villain. Lex Luthor was like a disgruntled Century 21 agent who got ****ed out of a commission so decides to take land for himself.

Originally posted by C-Dic
An [b]agenda? That's insane! I've always been opinionated, so why hold back on a movie I was clearly unimpressed with? I couldn't care less who was in the lead role. I didn't even like the original Superman movie. Equally as long and unengaging, sold on a "Pro-USA" theme, which they cleverly avoided, i.e. "truth, justice, and all that stuff..". Reeve was a one hit wonder, as well. Routh lacked intensity, charisma, and the cunning that Kent had. I don't think Routh made for a great Superman other than his looks, those eyes were empty, though. Kate Bosworth was equally as flat, given Margot Kidder's Lois was one that was flighty, ditzy, and clearly taken aback whenever she was in Superman's presence. Lex Luthor was about as menacing a "villain" as Dr. Evil. "Watch me as I try and flood a city so I can raise up some rocks for absolutely no reason other than because I can!" 🙄 Great plot for a summer blockbuster, bring Supes out of retirement to stop an evil rock city. What the ****.

Superman vs Luthor was so weak, it may as well have been non-existant. Superman finds Lex,

Spoiler:
gets stabbed with kryptonite

and the "fight" is over. Astonishing display of power there, Supes. See, they had to get the confrontation out of the way so they could get back to the baby drama, which was what's driving this contrived mess, wrongfully so, might I add. It's a superhero movie, not an episode of Maury Povich.

"Batman Begins", in most everyone's opinion is head and shoulders above "Returns". Bale has charisma. Bale has intensity. Bale is imposing. Bale is a flawed [b]human being, the likes of which we can all relate. [/B] The villains aren't the focus here, although they're equally as real. That said, Cillian Murphy was ****ing maniac, and credible as villain. Lex Luthor was like a disgruntled Century 21 agent who got ****ed out of a commission so decides to take land for himself. [/B]

That's your opinion. However I still think you're being a tad harsh to the movie for lack of...humanism.

Perhaps you didn't like Superman Returns because you don't like Superman? He's not supposed to be human. Thus the "Prometheus" theme going on in the movie.

The "Pro-USA" statement I disagree with for the sheer stupidty of the comment. Superman was created in the USA to be an AMERICAN hero. Why people in other countries can't get that simple notion is beyond me...

Which is why he was raised in KANSAS and saves METROPOLIS, and AMERICAN city.

Originally posted by Draco69

The "Pro-USA" statement I disagree with for the sheer stupidty of the comment. Superman was created in the USA to be an AMERICAN hero. Why people in other countries can't get that simple notion is beyond me...

The "Pro-USA" stance was ditched in "Returns" to avoid it being viewed as politcal propaganda, here the week of the July 4th weekend.

I didn't like "Superman Returns" because I think it was a bad movie. I could flip the script and say the reason you like it is because you're biased?

The plot was fun and campy. Lex's plan was dastardly evil. Which is what I liked about him. He just didn't give a f***. As "Prometheus", he did indeed steal "fire" from the "god" but instead of for the good of mankind it was purely for selfish reasons. He was villain through and through. He was willing to kill billions just because he could. Loved him.

Camp doesn't sell blockbusters. Camp sells B rate horror movies. If someone were to write a concise synopsis, staying true to the movie, it would sound something like this. Spacey, as I said before, wasn't menacing. He was touted as evil, but seemed like he couldn't care what happened to anyone, himself included.

"In 'Superman Returns', Superman (Routh) returns to Earth after a 5 year hiatus to confront Lex Luthor (Spacey) who plans to flood Metropolis to resurrect a rock island, while Lois Lane (Bosworth) struggles with a dark secret and man trouble."

Would you see that movie? Or would you be sold on;

"After 20 years, Superman returns to the big screen! Hollywood hopeful, Brandon Routh takes the helm as the new Man of Steel in the latest installment that finds Superman back on Earth after a 5 year mission, to face his arch-nemesis, the evil Lex Luthor, as played by Oscar Award winner Kevin Spacey. Director Bryan Singer (The Usual Suspects, X-Men, X-2) presents "Superman Returns", opening in theatres everywhere June 21st!"

If you're sold on the latter, which I wasn't, I'd like to think you'd be disappointed by what you had paid whatever money you did to see 150 minutes of a silly plot, an overbearing dramatic backstory, and Superman, who was literally relegated to CAMEOS IN HIS OWN ****ING MOVIE.

Originally posted by Draco69
Well that shows a negative bias when you came IN the movie, so obviously you wouldn't like it anyway.

I understand that ALOT of people are angry because it conflicts with the Superman timeline from the other movies. But ya know, whatever.

i go into a lot of movies with "negative" feelings and come out liking it that much more if it was actually good, so thats not alwasy a bad thing. I actually was really looking forward to this one though, but i felt bosworth looked out of place from the trailers, and really liked her even less after the movie.

Originally posted by C-Dic
The "Pro-USA" stance was ditched in "Returns" to avoid it being viewed as politcal propaganda, here the week of the July 4th weekend.

I don't think so. For example, Superman was orbiting Earth and listening for trouble.....and he chooses to stop a bank robber....in America. Genocides in Sudan clearly were beneath him....

🙄

Originally posted by C-Dic
I didn't like "Superman Returns" because I think it was a bad movie. I could flip the script and say the reason you like it is because you're biased?

The script wasn't bulletproof that much is true. But's a COMIC-BOOK movie. It's supposed to be non-sensical. It's supposed to be campy. It's supposed to have delibrately lame "take over the world" plots by manical villains. That's the essence of Superman. The whole "save the world from baddie" started with him.

The reason I like the movie was because it was true to Superman mythos and the previous movies. I wasn't expecting top-notch acting like you were, or a villain with a strong motivation like you were. I was expecting SUPERMAN flying around and saving the day from ridiculous threats. Luthor makes all kinds of ridiculous threats everyday. He's SUPPOSED to.

I didn't like several things about the movie:

1) The constant Superman theme. I have it stuck in my brain, I heard it so much.

2) The woman playing Lois Lane. Too frail, in my opinion.

3) More insight to why he left Earth without saying goodbye.

4) The annoying kid. Thankfully, he didn't say much...

Originally posted by C-Dic
Camp doesn't sell blockbusters. Camp sells B rate horror movies.

And Star Wars. And Spider-Man. And Superman for that matter.

Star Wars is nothing but camp but it still sells out.

Camp can be good if it's done correctly. It was in this movie since it was paying a homage to the campy Pre-Crisis Superman of the olden days.

Originally posted by C-Dic
Spacey, as I said before, wasn't menacing. He was touted as evil, but seemed like he couldn't care what happened to anyone, himself included.

Which is why he attempted to escape the island on a helicopter and in the first scene stepped back from the train wreck...

Luthor wasn't meant to be menacing. He was just meant to be a fun, evil bastard you couldn't help but like.

Originally posted by C-Dic
"In 'Superman Returns', Superman (Routh) returns to Earth after a 5 year hiatus to confront Lex Luthor (Spacey) who plans to flood Metropolis to resurrect a rock island, while Lois Lane (Bosworth) struggles with a dark secret and man trouble."

Would you see that movie? Or would you be sold on;

"After 20 years, Superman returns to the big screen! Hollywood hopeful, Brandon Routh takes the helm as the new Man of Steel in the latest installment that finds Superman back on Earth after a 5 year mission, to face his arch-nemesis, the evil Lex Luthor, as played by Oscar Award winner Kevin Spacey. Director Bryan Singer (The Usual Suspects, X-Men, X-2) presents "Superman Returns", opening in theatres everywhere June 21st!"

Actors and awards don't sway my interests. My interests is solely the subject material. I like certain subjects and certain themes. I'll see a movies solely on these notions.

I

Originally posted by C-Dic
f you're sold on the latter, which I wasn't, I'd like to think you'd be disappointed by what you had paid whatever money you did to see 150 minutes of a silly plot, an overbearing dramatic backstory, and Superman, who was literally relgated to CAMEOS IN HIS OWN ****ING MOVIE.

It was meant to be silly. Were any of us expecting something serious like terrorism or Doomsday in Superman? It's Superman for goodness' sake. He's silly as it is. All superheroes are.

Again, you're being overly harsh with the movie. You were expecting to much from it (contrary to what you say) and was clearly wanton for something more:

A) serious
B) more action
C) less drama
D) Academy-Awarding winning....

It's a superhero movie. If I were to take the plot of EVERY superhero movie seriously like you are, than every superhero, horror, and action film would get no more than C in my book.

This isn't Passion of the Christ or Brokeback Mountain.

It's SUPERMAN. It's silly, ridiculous, fun and campy. If it were as you wanted it, than it would be rather unenjoyable.

Originally posted by forumcrew
i go into a lot of movies with "negative" feelings and come out liking it that much more if it was actually good, so thats not alwasy a bad thing. I actually was really looking forward to this one though, but i felt bosworth looked out of place from the trailers, and really liked her even less after the movie.

I too would have chosen a better Lois Lane.

I think alot of the negative criticism (and overly harsh criticisms) is because of the casting choice.

EVERYONE has a different perspective on who Superman and Lois Lane should look like, act like, and talk like.

Regardless of who they would choose, the cast would get panned nonetheless. Even if it were Jesus Christ himself playing Superman...

*looks around*

Have you seen all the backlash towards Singer for changing the "..for truth, justice, and the American way" catchphrase? It was changed deliberately to sell the movie to a worldwide audience. It's not terribly important to some, but to others, it's tainting a 60 year old legacy. I must have fallen asleep during the cutscenes of the suicide bombings and air attacks. 😂

"Superman Returns" plot wasn't campy. It was stupid. It was insulting. Of all things, he comes back to stop a passive bald guy from resurrecting some ROCKS!? What immediate danger does this pose!? Where's the urgency in THAT shit! Give me a break, man! This is SHIT storywriting! It was seemingly ALWAYS their intention to make the romance and the baby daddy drama the selling point here. Where Superman was, why, and what he did when he came back was SECONDARY.

Star Wars is nothing but camp but it still sells out.

Incorrect. "Star Wars" is world religion set to a space opera. It's the battle between good and evil, right and wrong, God and the Devil, the circumstances of our choices, the temptations we're seduced by, the inner struggles we all face..and a shitload of cool characters.

"Star Wars", the first movie, is much deeper than anyone wishes to realize, and it's all right there. I didn't expect a single thing from "Superman Returns". I went because I was a fan of Bryan Singer's work. Again, I would have appreciated a story that didb't revolve around a sick kid, a story with a villain that actually posed a threat, and climactic battle that was more than that of

Spoiler:
being stabbed and falling off of a cliff.

I really have nothing else to say about the movie. I've spoke my mind. I disliked it immensly, fail to see any redeeming factors in it, and don't recommend it to anyone else.

Lex Luthor. From harboring nuclear weapons in "Superman 4" to imposing his will with rocks and water.

What a pussy.

Superman Returns: WORST MOVIE EVER!

Overall, I liked it. It wasn't quite as good as I had hoped, but I wouldn't call it bad. If they did one thing right, it was the special effects. Visually, I thought this movie was amazing. Routh did a good job as Superman/Clark and Spacey did a great job as Lex. I was pretty disappointed, however, in the climactic battle for the reasons Cine said above. It was very un-epic. I suppose I'm somewhat biased, but I enjoyed the film.

The thing I dislike about hardcore Star Wars fans is the whole "If you don't get it, you're stupid.". Try saying that about The Matrix and everyone starts scoffing.

I like the original trilogy but it was less original than people wish to realise also. Darth Vader, the best thing about Star Wars, was ripped quite blatantly from Dr. Doom, as evident as can be when you read the comics.

On topic, I wanted to see this movie, but I'm thinking of waiting till the DVD release to rent it.

-AC

Superman Returns isn't at the top of my MUST SEE list... it's definitely a dvd viewing for me.

I'm a massive fan of Parker Posey, please tell me she was good, she was the only reason I watched Blade 3.

She was good. Played her part really well.

Superman returns wasn't exactly a perfect first-superhero-movie-best-picture-oscar movie, but it certainly was an enjoyable summer popcorn-flick. Now, I thouroughly believe that there is a difference between a movie and a film. I felt that Superman Returns was right in between. It's cool, action-packed, CGI-infested summer fun, but it does contain that touch of authentic filmmaking that, before Batman Begins, we didn't seem to possess since the earlier Superman's.

Batman Begins was one of the best movie's I had seen in a while, or at least the best Superhero movie I'd ever seen. The fresh, dark, realism and no-holding-back was fantastic and deserved a million pat-on-the-backs for Christopher Nolan. Bryan Singer took a big chance for this movie when he left X-Men 3, which, through comparisons of both films, turned out to be a wise career choice.

Superman Returns contained such fun, through Parker Posey's character, the legendary opening credits of Superman's return to Earth, and just a mouth-full of action sequences (the airplane crash). The performances were so-so. Brandon Routh seemed to mimic Chris Reeve a little too much, even though he wasn't terrible for his first lead role. Plus, being the teeneage girl that I am, he was really hot. Kate Bosworth didn't feel like she captured her character of a reporter at all. Lex Luthor, as someone said earlier, was a little bit bubble-gumish, however he did have some fine points to his performance. In escence, Superman Returns was a slightly flawed film/movie, but packed a power-punch that should be recognized as one of the top highlights of summer 2006. With all these cool, awesome summer flicks (Superman, Cars, MI3), I can't wait to see what POTC 2, Miami Vice, and Apocalypto have to deliver.

Superman Returns Grade: B+

Originally posted by Draco69
That's your opinion. However I still think you're being a tad harsh to the movie for lack of...humanism.

Perhaps you didn't like Superman Returns because you don't like Superman? He's not supposed to be human. Thus the "Prometheus" theme going on in the movie.

The "Pro-USA" statement I disagree with for the sheer stupidty of the comment. Superman was created in the USA to be an AMERICAN hero. Why people in other countries can't get that simple notion is beyond me...

Which is why he was raised in KANSAS and saves METROPOLIS, and AMERICAN city.

I think that's the why the film got this unfortunate negativity. Some people hate Superman down to earth. I personally think that DC Comics and WB are wusses for not putting "The American Way" in the film. However, that still didn't make me dislike the movie. The film did have some American themes in it....the Spaceshuttle getting launch...the Baseball Field....the Mid-western fields...pretty neat IMO.

The only thing that kinda' bugged me in Returns was one line.

"Does he still stand for Truth, Justice...all that stuff."

I agree. Shame on you Warner. Shame on you for not having the balls to say "And the American way".

I thought Superman Returns was great. As I did X-Men 3.

I thought it was a good movie.

Did anyone notice that the bartender in the movie is actually the original Jimmy Olsen?

All and all, a well put together movie. The actors fit their roles pretty good. I love when that man plays an evil charecter droolio. The story was great, the action sequences were good. Some of the parts were a little bit more drawn out than need be. The music in this movie is what kept me watching. Oh my god, i love the superman music. But the usage of these scores and the different arrangements are what made this movie for me. That is the whole reason for seeing it

****/ 5