no god

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Really? How many explosions have you seen that create something and cause order? 🙄

Yes, really 🙄 I suggest you begin with this:

1) Read up on Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation...
When you've done that, then come back, and I'll explain a little to you about gravity, Einsteins theories, how the Big Bang theory is connected to Einsteins theories (which are among most tested and validated we have), then we'll pass by a little quantum mechanics... And then I'll tell you the differnce between an explosion taking place on the Earth with it's gravity and air, and the quantum-gravitational EVENT known as Big Bang.

So first... a little reading on CMBR
Here is a good place http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest3.html

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Ya but...What about Jesus? What are you doing about Him? I like to stay on/off topic if you know what I mean.

Jesus? Show me some proof this person EVER existed. And by proof I mean something outside the Christian Bible...

And didn't you just leave the debate on Creationism 5 minutes ago, saying you had to "ta da" when cornered by fossils... ???

I have rejected him, but at least I know about him. I just think you're running away from a pertinent question.

Originally posted by The Omega
Yes, really 🙄 I suggest you begin with this:

1) Read up on Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation...
When you've done that, then come back, and I'll explain a little to you about gravity, Einsteins theories, how the Big Bang theory is connected to Einsteins theories (which are among most tested and validated we have), then we'll pass by a little quantum mechanics... And then I'll tell you the differnce between an explosion taking place on the Earth with it's gravity and air, and the quantum-gravitational EVENT known as Big Bang.

So first... a little reading on CMBR
Here is a good place http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest3.html

Thanks Omega. May I suggest a little research yourself? It's called the bible. It's very informative and actually has most of what you are still searching for already written in it and covered for our edification.

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Originally posted by The Omega
Yes, really 🙄 I suggest you begin with this:

Jesus? Show me some proof this person EVER existed. And by proof I mean something outside the Christian Bible...

Better stick with physics because Jesus is a historical figure. Anyone knows that. Common Omega, you appear to be one of the charper crayons in the box? 🙄

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Thanks Omega. May I suggest a little research yourself? It's called the bible. It's very informative and actually has most of what you are still searching for already written in it and covered for our edification.

Eh, no, that one book I have discarded because of all this crap:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html

And didn't you just flee the debate on evolution when cornered by the fossils???
Now, go read on Cosmic Microwaves first...

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Better stick with physics because Jesus is a historical figure. Anyone knows that. Common Omega, you appear to be one of the charper crayons in the box? 🙄

A historical figure?? ANYONE knows that??? Common???
Well then... Shoe me some evidence to support that your Jesus existed. Maybe some contemporary Roman or Greek writers who wrote about all the stuff he supposedly did??
...

I am waiting...

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Better stick with physics because Jesus is a historical figure. Anyone knows that. Common Omega, you appear to be one of the charper crayons in the box? 🙄

Did you know that Darth Vader is also considered to be a historical figure? As is Uncle Sam!

If your philosophy of "better stick with physics because Jesus is a historical figure" Then 1. You have to be a histoiran to discuss Jesus. and 2. I should never hear you utter a comment about evolution or science in general again.

And 1. sucks becuase I am a hisoty major, but I'm concetrating in classic and scientific history. So really, aside from an increased knowledge in general history, I really don't have more intellectual acess to information about Jesus than any other person who actually reads up on the subject.

You have some excellent points Omega......and yes there were many many historians at that time that NEVER mentioned Jesus.......funny eh??

Not even the famous Josephus can be proven, since it was only 1 paragraph that was inserted into a whole comentary about the wars.....Spoken like he was a christian, which HE WAS NOT....

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Better stick with physics because Jesus is a historical figure. Anyone knows that. Common Omega, you appear to be one of the charper crayons in the box? 🙄

There is a difference from being a factualy supported historical figure - Caesar, Alexander, Captain Cook, and being a mainstream mythological one.

Which is Jesus? People debate, and aren't sure.

A similar case - everyone knows Homer right? greatest Greek poet, gave us the Odyssey and Iliad? Well, there is debate there about whether he actually existed. But he wrote the poems people shout. However it is possible that the poems as they got to us with Homers name, are merely an evolution from far older epics whose authorship was lost - adapted and at some point Homer was attached to them.

Now, there is little solid evidence there was actually a Jesus which is a problem, as the Romans liked to write and record, so it is odd that virtually nothing at the time mentions "the son of God." And even if he did exist it doesn't mean he was in any way divine.

In short, Jesus is simply as historical as a figure as Jupiter/Zeus.

Zues impregnated women, gave birth to heroes, etc.

(Twiddles thumbs and waits for JustbyFaith to offer some proof that the Christian Jesus ever existed)...

Originally posted by The big EH
i belive that there is no god, or gods, or anything, no saints, i do think that there was a mary and jesus, but i think mary just had an affair. i believe in the scientific explanations, like the big bang, and evolution, not that god created man out of dust, clear and simple... kinda simple 🙂

Originally posted by badabing
I'm not knocking you but it makes me sad that you feel this way. I just couldn't live that way, without Faith. I get a great sense of hope and strength from my beliefs. I will concede that science does explain a lot of things but not everything. You mentioned the Big Bang, which is the standard theory of the birth of the universe. What was there before the Big Bang? Where did all the matter come from? Since we can't look beyond the Big Bang we may never know. The String Theory is an interesting concept. If true, that means we live in a multiverse with infinite universes. But where did it all start? Science can't answer the question so I rely on Faith to fill in the gaps. I used to think that we were alone, but something just clicked in me and I decided that was impossible. Like I said, it's all a matter of Faith with me.

But then, what made God? Looking for a chain of cause and effect, then cutting it off as soon as you reach a cause you like the idea of seems a bit illogical. Either leave it at what we can definitely say was a cause (the Big Bang) or accept that there must be a chain that continues on into infinity. And if that's true, why worship God? It would make more sense to worship what made him, and so on.

Well, at least you accept scientifc proof as proof!

Edit - I'm not knocking you, either, btw.

"There is no evidence to suggest humans inhabit this planet for any “higher” or “intelligent” reasons. Our ability to contemplate our place in the Universe does not equal a special place, nor that we were put here for any reason."--The Omega

Isaiah 45:18
For thus says the LORD, Who created the heavens, Who is God, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited: “ I am the LORD, and there is no other.

Genesis 1:28
Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

Humanity has a purpose.

Originally posted by Trickster
But then, what made God? Looking for a chain of cause and effect, then cutting it off as soon as you reach a cause you like the idea of seems a bit illogical. Either leave it at what we can definitely say was a cause (the Big Bang) or accept that there must be a chain that continues on into infinity. And if that's true, why worship God? It would make more sense to worship what made him, and so on.

Well, at least you accept scientifc proof as proof!

Edit - I'm not knocking you, either, btw.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
"There is no evidence to suggest humans inhabit this planet for any “higher” or “intelligent” reasons. Our ability to contemplate our place in the Universe does not equal a special place, nor that we were put here for any reason."--The Omega

Isaiah 45:18
For thus says the LORD, Who created the heavens, Who is God, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited: “ I am the LORD, and there is no other.

Genesis 1:28
Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

Humanity has a purpose.

Originally posted by badabing
I'm not knocking you but it makes me sad that you feel this way. I just couldn't live that way, without Faith. I get a great sense of hope and strength from my beliefs. I will concede that science does explain a lot of things but not everything. You mentioned the Big Bang, which is the standard theory of the birth of the universe. What was there before the Big Bang? Where did all the matter come from? Since we can't look beyond the Big Bang we may never know. The String Theory is an interesting concept. If true, that means we live in a multiverse with infinite universes. But where did it all start? Science can't answer the question so I rely on Faith to fill in the gaps. I used to think that we were alone, but something just clicked in me and I decided that was impossible. Like I said, it's all a matter of Faith with me.

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Yes, to say that thier is no designer is insanity.

The car you drive had no designer, it just happened.

The paintings on your wall had no artist behind them, they just happened.

You are a mistake of billions of years and luck of the draw.

Yes, it's insanity...

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But...your erudite and scholaryness, where did gravity come from? Better yet where did the universe come from? You are a product of cause and effect. The clothes you wear, the money you spend, the car you drive are all products of cause and effect. Each item had a creator. Well so does this extremely complex universe and planet that we live on.