Darth Maul and Mace vs Genarl grivous and Anikan.

Started by kamikz3 pages

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Not Luke.

Anakin had more potential than Luke, so I dont understand how he "evolved" slower.

Well thats because master is the last rank someone could recieve. Anakin had the most potential of all Jedi including yoda. His skills were enough to overcome Dooku. One of the best lightsaber to lightsaber duelists. Once again at a young age, Mace was at the level of a master, so he was promoted to one. The same should have happened with Ani.

Well as I said, he wasn't trained in a jedi order, he was the only hope of the jedi and the galaxy, they simply could not afford him to do anything else....

Well in that case, AOTC Anakin should be able to kick Darth Vader's ass. Just because he had more potential than Luke doesn't mean he has to get it faster, Luke was already at a later age, maybe his powers had developped more which made him grow stronger faster. Like maturity, everyone doesn't mature at the same time, even if they are related....

But Mace at that age had almost trained 3 times Anakin's traning time, Anakin had still much to learn, maybe not much in fighting but in how to control himself. But this discussion is rather pointless, cause we cannot simply judge one that if he is a knight then he is better than he is as a padawan, it is simply just to show his grading in the jedi order. My point was that Anakin when he defeated Assaj had not yet been promoted to knight and still had much to learn and he sure did during the clone wars. There is a difference between Anakin as a knight and a padawan, and the point was that Anakin did defeat Assaj when he was in the padawan satte, which means this was pretty early in the Clone wars....
And check out the meetings of the council in books or the CW, they discuss about Anakin being promoted and they don't really want to, many say it's to early, other says they shouldn't "hold back the chosen one".

Mace was 28, Anakin was 22. That's actually a huge difference.

True.But remember,Palpatine, 'Unofficially',got Anakin on the Council.馃槈

OH SNAP I FORGOT TO SAY IN THE BEGGING NO FORCE!!!!

Well...if there's no force then can mace use his vaapad to it's full extent?

Originally posted by DE Luke
True.But remember,Palpatine, 'Unofficially',got Anakin on the Council.馃槈

But remember that Mace started his traning during his first few months IN LIFE, Anakin started when he was nine.

Well if no force is allowed, it will be much more tricky to take out Grievous. I say Windu takes Anakin with ease and Maul just about takes Grievous.

If there is no force then Grievous is the best swordsman. Even when Windu had the force he could not completly overcome Grievous and it ended in a stalemate. Also, if there is no force to draw upon then Mace Vaapad is useless....

Yeah. Without any assistance from the force, Grievous most likely wins it for his team. Mace and Maul might eke one out, but only if they are VERY lucky.

Grievous would make short work of Maul while Mace duels Anakin. I don't know who would win here, without any force then Mace style is pretty useless since it draws it's power from the dark side. Since they don't have the force to support their bodies then Anakin's metal arm would prove stronger than Mace arms, so Anakin has the strenght edge as well. But it doesn't really matter, Grievous would win before either Mace or Anakin and then they doubble team Mace.

No force at all, or just no offensive force powers? They can still use the force to predict swings and have superhuman reflexes and speed, right? All the non-offensive/ passive powers still go, right?

He said "no force" which is completly. Until he confirms I will belive it is without the force at all.

Oh, then, the Force-sensitives here suck something awful and Greivous slaughters Mace and Maul while Anakin, I dunno, throws rocks at them in the background?

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Oh, then, the Force-sensitives here suck something awful and Greivous slaughters Mace and Maul while Anakin, I dunno, throws rocks at them in the background?
No, he throws his saber at them and prays to God he hits something other than Grievous.

Originally posted by kamikz
But remember that Mace started his traning during his first few months IN LIFE, Anakin started when he was nine.

So? Luke started in his twenties. Whats your point..

Originally posted by kamikz
Grievous would make short work of Maul while Mace duels Anakin. I don't know who would win here, without any force then Mace style is pretty useless since it draws it's power from the dark side. Since they don't have the force to support their bodies then Anakin's metal arm would prove stronger than Mace arms, so Anakin has the strenght edge as well. But it doesn't really matter, Grievous would win before either Mace or Anakin and then they doubble team Mace.

Anakin's arm stronger than Mace's arm? LOL WTF!

Oh, snap forgot no force powers..but isn't mace naturally built like a machine?

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
So? Luke started in his twenties. Whats your point..

As I said before, Luke wasn't in the jedi order, if he was he wouldn't even be allowed to be trained. Luke would not have gotten the rank of jedi knight by that time if he trained in the jedi order in the PT...

And I don't think we need to argue this anymore. Whether Anakin got the rank of knight at the right time or not doesn't matter, the whole point of the debate started with that I said he defeated Assaj as a padawan. For that I didn't mean, "Zomg he is a padawan", I meant that it was a much earlier time in his life, he developed so much more afterwards. So even if Anakin deserved a rank of knight at that time, AS a knight he still got power about twice when he was a padawan, not because he was promoted to one, but because his powers grew and he got more experience. So really, there is nothing more to debate. 馃槈

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Anakin's arm stronger than Mace's arm? LOL WTF!

Oh, snap forgot no force powers..but isn't mace naturally built like a machine?

Nah, he used the force to support his body, and the CW overpowered his unarmed combat skills. (Punching through durasteel with his fists, yeah right). Either way, Mace without the force is not stronger than Anakin's robot arm. Actually, as Kreia said, a jedi who has lived with the force for very long will be completly useless without it.....