Originally posted by olympian
Nope. Cm has hurt Superman and made him bleed without using magic.WW does not use magic when punching pll.
Lobo doesnt either.
DD doesnt either.
Darkseid doesnt either.
Orion doesnt either.
BA, same way as CM. He has hurt Supes without using magic punches or ligthing.
Etrigan as far as i know, while a creature of magic, doesnt magically charge its fists either and he has punched Kal to the moon.
Mon El doesnt use magic either. Hes a Daxamite.
Mongul doesnt use magic either.
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SK. The ideia you have that Supes cant be hurt physically without being by resorting to magic and K its wrong. Simply wrong. You have no basis whatsoever for that from what the comics show.
i just want to point this out (it has nothing to do with sups vs thanos)
if a beings powers (lets say cm for instence) come (as in Super strength) from magic then they cant keep them self from useing it when they punch cause if they did then they would not have super strength.
Originally posted by Sea King
i just want to point this out (it has nothing to do with sups vs thanos)
if a beings powers (lets say cm for instence) come (as in Super strength) from magic then they cant keep them self from useing it when they punch cause if they did then they would not have super strength.
Magic is a power source like any other. Like the sun.
"They cant help but using it" its wrong. It only counts as using magic if someone like CM empowers his fists. And he has hurt SM without using it.
Wich is what that list is about. No magic used or casted as a trick to get an advantage.
Originally posted by h1a8
It only looked physical but wasn't. The panel said it was in ethereal form.
I'll give you that, it did say ethereal. And, so what? That can easily refer to the fact that human senses could not detect the Serpent, in terms of it being immaterial or intangible to them etc. In the same sentence it says the Serpent is crushing the Earth in it's grip. So clearly it has physical substance, weight, and strength. Heck, at the time of that instance, Loki was using the body of the serpent as a bridge to Earth.
Originally posted by h1a8
It is inferred that they were using some sort of magic to walk on the Serpent since the Serpent was in ethereal form. The Serpent was 'magically' crushing the Earth not 'physically' as stated. It is written and explained that the Serpent can materialize whenever it chooses. You a Thor fan don't know this? If the Serpent can never dematerialize then it would kill nearly everyone on Earth by suffocating nearly entire continents. Everyone else would keep bumping into it right and left. I don't recall Spider-man or Aunt May ever bumping into an invisible Serpent, do you?
Are you speculating shit again? I never recall them saying they were using magic. I can go back and re-read the issue if you want.
Where was it stated it was magically crushing the Earth so it some how negates the physical aspect of it? And hence where the ethereal part comes in if you think about it. For some reason humans were not affected by the serpent in that sense, and didn't even know it was there but the Earthquakes and floods they experienced were very real apparently.
Originally posted by h1a8
Yes his tail was tied but not materially. The Serpent was in ethereal form and intangible. Only through magic could it be causated with.
Where did it say this? Since you love putting your own spin and logic on shit, how about I give it a try, except attempt a reasonable one.
Maybe just maybe, seeing as how the Serpent is a being of great magical power, it is physical, just not to human senses and touch, hence it being ethereal and the same instance it being physical to Asgardians to the point they can physically interact with it and it's physical to the point it was literally crushing the Earth in it's coils. Clearly if it had no substance that would not work.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't care what it says, without the boat moving back Thor could never pull an astronomically long Serpent off the Earth with only 3ft arms. It's grip could have been only 10,000 tons of magical force who knows. All I know is what the panel says and what the handbook backs up.
And here's the main problem I have with you. The moment I present some form of evidence, to dismiss your delusional view of how powerful or strong a character is, or present some form of evidence, you completely dismiss it. I understand you telling me to **** off, with handbook evidence and shit, but you've done this to comic scans on different occasions now. Anyways....
What? Thor threw bait at the Serpent, and pulled it up with a giant fishing rod. The boat did nothing more than give Thor leverage. Like I said, it clearly stated on the page, that it was his strength that defeated the Serpent. I just love how in one breath you try to nit pick a single word, into an attempt to completely dismiss the feat as if it's not applicable or something anymore because magic is involved, yet, in another breath completely ignore what's stated because you do not agree with it. What does the panel say exactly?
This ain't the first time Thor's encountered the Serpent as well. The first time he does so, even a young Thor was able to match the Serpent.
Originally posted by h1a8
[i]I don't believe in Kang's words. Marvel in those days were full of hyperbole. But at least we see Thor can't manage to overpower the weight of half a planet, lol.
EXACTLY what I was just talking about. Completely dismiss or ignore evidence, because you don't agree with it. I can post Thor destroying a mountain and you'll completely dismiss it, and say that Thor can't. It's freaking sad at this point.
Kang is a time traveler with ridiculous technology at his disposal. If he says he invented a weapon that can press the weight of half a planet against you, he can press the weight of half the planet against you.
What? The scan clearly shows Thor can, and easily so. It's not surprising. Thor as a kid tanks, a boulder packing force of the weight of the Earth.
