thanos vs superman (hand to hand)

Originally posted by carver9
No, I wouldn't be a over it. When was the last time I posted Hulk showing against In Betweener? Let me answer that, I rarely if ever post it as a measurement for Hulk strength. Or how about Hulk speed showing against Jack Of Hearts (who has flown with Surfer, etc...) saying he has never seen speed on the level of Hulks.

June 18, 2015. That's when you last used it. You've also used it in five separate occasions, and considering how recent that feat is, that in itself is a feat.

But that is irrelevant. The relevant point here, is that Zoom admitted that Superman's speed rivalled his own. Clear, on panel. You want to add more mental gymnastics to it (maybe Zoom was at half speed? 20% speed? 10% speed?), be my guest. I was using what is clearly depicted on panel.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
June 18, 2015. That's when you last used it. You've also used it in five separate occasions, and considering how recent that feat is, that in itself is a feat.

But that is irrelevant. The relevant point here, is that Zoom admitted that Superman's speed rivalled his own. Clear, on panel. You want to add more mental gymnastics to it (maybe Zoom was at half speed? 20% speed? 10% speed?), be my guest. I was using what is clearly depicted on panel.

Maybe Zoom lied to make Superfans feel better.

Superman

Originally posted by Galan007
It was never stated that Barry being contaminated by the NSF made him faster, iirc--just that it made him more deadly to those around him. He had essentially become the Black Flash, after all, so the slightest touch from him resulted in insta-death.

But when he started fleeing from the heroes to try and get back to the SpeedForce, the Black Flash aura had burnt away by the time he left Superman in the dust:

...So I was under the impression that he was not infected by the NSF at that point in time, anyway. /shrug

Plus to add to your point. The scan had Barry say that all the races were charity.
That implies that he could have beaten Clark everytime in history (as shown when he stopped holding back). The writer's intentions wasn't that flash was amped off negative speed force but simply he can stop being charitable to Clark.

But different writer's have different opinions (some write Superman not being very far from Flash in speed). This is were we get contradictions.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
It was shown in issue *hide the issue number* that it was implied he had some power.

Here's the scans:
*scan kind of backing me up*

Don't look at the full issue though. Trust me, I gave you 110 percent of the context.

His credibility is gone.

This guy couldn't beat Spiderman with a cosmic cube, Quan.

Not canon.

🙂