Originally posted by carver9
Seen that scene, how fast was Zoom going there?
Irrelevant.
Zoom specifically says that Superman's speed rivals his own.
Not, 'in that instant just now, your speed rivalled my own', or 'you too can match me when I travel at 200mph'.
His speed rivals Zoom's. If someone said Hulk's strength rivalled the Beyonder's you'd be jizzing all over it. I am merely presenting a scan that is pertinent to the discussion.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Irrelevant.Zoom specifically says that Superman's speed rivals his own.
Not, 'in that instant just now, your speed rivalled my own', or 'you too can match me when I travel at 200mph'.
His speed rivals Zoom's. If someone said Hulk's strength rivalled the Beyonder's you'd be jizzing all over it. I am merely presenting a scan that is pertinent to the discussion.
No, I wouldn't be a over it. When was the last time I posted Hulk showing against In Betweener? Let me answer that, I rarely if ever post it as a measurement for Hulk strength. Or how about Hulk speed showing against Jack Of Hearts (who has flown with Surfer, etc...) saying he has never seen speed on the level of Hulks.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True.Seems to be Thawne, though I always get confused between them. Not sure if it's canon, that's all.
Superman seems to 'easily' counter his speed with a counter cyclone of his own.
Prob poor writing...
Originally posted by carver9
Yep, and easily. This is what happened when he got serious.
Superman really holds back his speed.
mmm
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Yeah, it's Eobard:
Seems to be Thawne, though I always get confused between them. Not sure if it's canon, that's all.
Anyway, Clark's perceptions are uber enough to track Speedsters, and his reaction speeds are fast enough to tag them in certain situations. Even Morrison had Supes perceiving Wally+Barry when they were traveling FTL:
However, Johns showed us where Clark stacks up next to the upper-echelon Speedsters in a no-holds-barred setting:
So meh... srug
Originally posted by leonidasIt was shown in issue *hide the issue number* that it was implied he had some power.
really? i don't recall that? was that shown in that same issue?
Here's the scans:
*scan kind of backing me up*
Don't look at the full issue though. Trust me, I gave you 110 percent of the context.
Originally posted by abhilegendIt was never stated that Barry being contaminated by the NSF made him faster, iirc--just that it made him more deadly to those around him. He had essentially become the Black Flash, after all, so the slightest touch from him resulted in insta-death.
Barry was amped on negative speed force there.srug
But when he started fleeing from the heroes to try and get back to the SpeedForce, the Black Flash aura had burnt away by the time he left Superman in the dust:
...So I was under the impression that he was not infected by the NSF at that point in time, anyway. /shrug
Originally posted by One Big Mob
thanos does have massive strength, but most people ignore this, who honestly beats aw this easy?
Not to mention it took him about oh..a dozen hits to beat the Silver Surfer to death. Which no, Superman couldn't take Surfer out in a dozen hits.
With that said..if speed is still on then Superman could more or less avoid the punches of Thanos indefinitely. Thanos wouldn't have telepathy, AoE attacks, and all his other shit to fall back on to counter the speed.
Originally posted by leonidas
really? i don't recall that? was that shown in that same issue?
He burned it out when he returned in the negative speed force.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
It was shown in issue *hide the issue number* that it was implied he had some power.Here's the scans:
*scan kind of backing me up*Don't look at the full issue though. Trust me, I gave you 110 percent of the context.
You really want my attention, don't you?
Originally posted by Galan007
It was never stated that Barry being contaminated by the NSF made him faster, iirc--just that it made him more deadly to those around him. He had essentially become the Black Flash, after all, so the slightest touch from him resulted in insta-death.But when he started fleeing from the heroes to try and get back to the SpeedForce, the Black Flash aura had burnt away by the time he left Superman in the dust:
...So I was under the impression that he was not infected by the NSF at that point in time, anyway. /shrug
Uh, you can see the black tendrils of the NSF which were surrounding Barry.
And those were dead fuel cells which were eating through speed force users and transferring their power to Barry. That's why his touch was lethal to any Speedster.
If he had burned out NSF, he wouldn't have ended up in NSF trying to get into speed force.
mmm
Originally posted by Surtur
Not to mention it took him about oh..a dozen hits to beat the Silver Surfer to death. Which no, Superman couldn't take Surfer out in a dozen hits.With that said..if speed is still on then Superman could more or less avoid the punches of Thanos indefinitely. Thanos wouldn't have telepathy, AoE attacks, and all his other shit to fall back on to counter the speed.
Well, why not? A dozen Unleashed punches from Superman will nearly kill Surfer as well. If he cheapshots Surfer before punching him like Thanos did.
Thanos needed energy amped punches to do that as well.
Are you sure he was amping? Since I'd thought Thanos had a habit of manhandling multiple Class 100's at once, similar to Despero. Perhaps he has always been energy amping to perform those feats.
As for why Superman couldn't ko Surfer that quick..well, if I answered that question this would just turn into Supes vs Surfer.
Though you could at least agree Thanos would be much harder to harm then Surfer, yes?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Next issue. Those black tendrils you see, that's the power of negative speed force Barry was infected with by Thawne.He burned it out when he returned in the negative speed force.
You really want my attention, don't you?
i remember reading it thinking that while he may have had the nsf, it was really just making up for what he losing in the real sf so i never had the impression he was doing anything he couldn't have done otherwise....
Originally posted by abhilegendWhere?:
Uh, you can see the black tendrils of the NSF which were surrounding Barry.
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Originally posted by abhilegendI think your wires are crossed, because that's exactly what Barry was stated to have done:
If he had burned out NSF, he wouldn't have ended up in NSF trying to get into speed force.
Originally posted by Surtur
Are you sure he was amping? Since I'd thought Thanos had a habit of manhandling multiple Class 100's at once, similar to Despero. Perhaps he has always been energy amping to perform those feats.
Yes, he cheapshotted Surfer and then beat him down.
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As for why Superman couldn't ko Surfer that quick..well, if I answered that question this would just turn into Supes vs Surfer.
Though you could at least agree Thanos would be much harder to harm then Surfer, yes?
You could. It's not going to matter though.
Yes, he is harder to hurt than Surfer. I never said anything the thread as to who would win.
Originally posted by leonidas
i remember reading it thinking that while he may have had the nsf, it was really just making up for what he losing in the real sf so i never had the impression he was doing anything he couldn't have done otherwise....
On NSF, Thawne was far faster than Barry. It wasn't even a contest.
