DE Sidious Vs Dooku and Mace

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
I dont think Sidious could take these two in a lightsaber fight. After all he lost to Luke in a saber duel and Mace is a much better saber duelist than DE luke. Dooku also possibly.

Also if Mace were a "much better saber duelist" than DE Luke (which I highly doubt), then Dooku would definately be as well. He and Mace are roughly on the same skill level.

Also - I'm inclined to think that Leia had something to do with their second lightsaber fight. Because the first one was only hours earlier, and Palpatine pwned Luke. Though this isn't concrete, I don't believe Luke increased in ability that much.

And what could leia possibly do?

Mace is still the only jedi who perfected a technique that Luke has never heard of. and DE is how many years after ROTJ? How could Luke become a lightsaber prodigy-better fighter than Mace when only a few years ago he just got to know how to use a lightsaber, let alone have very little time to master his style. Dooku's excellent mastery of the force is what balances the skill level between him and Mace. IMO Mace is a far more skilled saber duelist.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
And what could leia possibly do?

Mace is still the only jedi who perfected a technique that Luke has never heard of. and DE is how many years after ROTJ? How could Luke become a lightsaber prodigy-better fighter than Mace when only a few years ago he just got to know how to use a lightsaber, let alone have very little time to master his style. Dooku's excellent mastery of the force is what balances the skill level between him and Mace. IMO Mace is a far more skilled saber duelist.

Leia was able to apply her own innate power - and her son's innate power - to augment Luke's abilities where they could temporarily cut Palpatine off from the Force. Why not in a saber duel?

Look at the comic yourself on Swcomics.com. On the panel, it shows Palpatine beginning to best Luke - and then it highlights Leia's form behind Palpatine, and WHAM! Palpatine's on his ass, minus a hand.

DE is 11 years after ANH.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
I dont think Sidious could take these two in a lightsaber fight. After all he lost to Luke in a saber duel and Mace is a much better saber duelist than DE luke. Dooku also possibly.

a) He's superior to either Dooku or Mace in a lightsaber fight by the time of Dark Empire. Perhaps not both, but easily either one of them.

b) He isn't restricted to just lightsaber fighting. His Force powers are leagues above either one of them. Force Storms can be controlled in size, and his Force Lightning mortally wounded two strong Jedi in short bursts.

He pwns these two.

Ackbar, did you respond and I not see it?

Sry, I dont go on a lot nowadays. OK...

a.) OK...I never said individually they could beat him, but the combined power of Vaapad and Makashi is frightning.

b.) Why do people always assume Sidious is going to start the fight with a force storm? I could say Dooku would shock him to death before he could muster the thing. His force storm is a last resort, it was against Luke. Last time I checked force lightning was easily absorbed by a lightsaber.

Pwns...no, but they have the possibility of overcoming him. note- "overcome"

Lol i take it u didn't see revenge of the sith. Mace wuld destroy sidous with 1 hand behind his back. sidios might kill dooku in that fight only if he had his extreme rage.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Sry, I dont go on a lot nowadays. OK...

a.) OK...I never said individually they could beat him, but the combined power of Vaapad and Makashi is frightning.

b.) Why do people always assume Sidious is going to start the fight with a force storm? I could say Dooku would shock him to death before he could muster the thing. His force storm is a last resort, it was against Luke. Last time I checked force lightning was easily absorbed by a lightsaber.

Pwns...no, but they have the possibility of overcoming him. note- "overcome"

a.) Perhaps.

b.) Okay, that's poor logic. DE Palpatine's lightning can mortally wound it's victim with a single blast. Dooku can, in no way, shape, or form, hope to compete with that. Palpatine's Force powers are (please note) leagues above these two.

So, imagine his considerable lightsaber abilities combined with his vastly superior Force powers.

How can they hope to beat him?

Originally posted by stone7
Lol i take it u didn't see revenge of the sith. Mace wuld destroy sidous with 1 hand behind his back. sidios might kill dooku in that fight only if he had his extreme rage.

a.) This isn't RotS. This is Dark Empire.

b.) Mace has a good chance of beating Sidious, but I don't recall Sidious actively using his superior Force powers until he was in a position where they'd do him no good. Imagine if he fought against Mace like he did against Yoda.

c.) Sidious would defeat his apprentice. That'd be Dooku.

Originally posted by Escape81
a.) Perhaps.

b.) Okay, that's poor logic. DE Palpatine's lightning can mortally wound it's victim with a single blast. Dooku can, in no way, shape, or form, hope to compete with that. Palpatine's Force powers are (please note) leagues above these two.

So, imagine his considerable lightsaber abilities combined with his vastly superior Force powers.

How can they hope to beat him?

b.) It could mortally wound if they have their lightsaber attached to their waist, but lightsabers absorb shock...

Easy. Get in close and take care of buissness. Considerable dueling is individual. Both together are "superior."

Well, no offense, lol, but how do you know that would happen? Sidious is stronger and quicker than them both. What if he isolates one (if he gets one isolated - he'd slaughter them), and then pwns the other?

You're right. There's a chance they'd win. But that is only if they quickly close the ground and kill him. They are inferior than he is in lightsaber combat and they aren't even in the same ballpark in Force powers.

In a prolonged duel, he'd kill them.

Consider. In RotS, Yoda (more powerful than Dooku and Mace, and much quicker) was unable to "get in close" and pwn Sidious (and he's vastly inferior to DE Sidious).

Which leads me to believe that Sidious would likely crush them.

Also, there's no way in hell these two could repel a Force Storm. Nah. Mace and Dooku die.

Did anyone miss that in DE Sidious makes armed fighters' sabers explode with a GESTURE? And he knows pretty much every darkside and lightside technique

And Luke's a far better saber master than Mace could hope to be by DE.

He kills them with lightning. Mace could barely hold off Sidious' short burst of lightning from ROTS when Sidious could have kept going. How can they take it from DE Sidious?

By the way, Ackbar, Sidious' lightning isn't "Easily blocked with a saber."

Especially not DE Sidious, who was moving too fast for the eye to perceive and who was tearing apart the throne room in his duel with Luke when they were fighting from one side to the other

Originally posted by Escape81
Well, no offense, lol, but how do you know that would happen? Sidious is stronger and quicker than them both. What if he isolates one (if he gets one isolated - he'd slaughter them), and then pwns the other?

You're right. There's a chance they'd win. But that is only if they quickly close the ground and kill him. They are inferior than he is in lightsaber combat and they aren't even in the same ballpark in Force powers.

In a prolonged duel, he'd kill them.

Consider. In RotS, Yoda (more powerful than Dooku and Mace, and much quicker) was unable to "get in close" and pwn Sidious (and he's vastly inferior to DE Sidious).

Which leads me to believe that Sidious would likely crush them.

In the novel, Yoda successfully disarmed Sidious. And in the movie we see him run around half the fight without a saber in his hands, so Yoda was able to get in close.

And Yoda's only the best Jedi duelist ever...this is a Sidious with many more years of training and knowledge under his best, in a young, healthy body with the Dark Side completely flowing through him

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Fight faster than the eye can see huh? I heard similar exaggerations in Shatterpoint. You dont see mace fighting like that in the movies do you?

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Fight faster than the eye can see huh? I heard similar exaggerations in Shatterpoint. You dont see mace fighting like that in the movies do you?

Except Sidious as of De isn't in a movie so it's a moot point