No, actually there is a point in it.
Obi-Wan (who is a trained jedi master) said that Kit Fisto was like a tornado, moving awefully fast, so Obi barley could see it. (LOE).
Shatterpoint says that if Kar Vastor was fast as lightning, Mace was invisible.
It could be an exaguration..... (Note I said COULD).
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
In the novel, Yoda successfully disarmed Sidious. And in the movie we see him run around half the fight without a saber in his hands, so Yoda was able to get in close.
You're missing the point. Yoda didn't disarm Sidious with laughable ease. They fought for a while, and even when Yoda disarmed him - he was unable to kill Sidious.
That doesn't talk for their speed does it? I'm not arguing their power clashing together, but their speed could be an exaggeration. Wasn't it Leia that said/thought this when she fought them (that they were so fast), cause many jedi have seen people and said similar things (speed wise that is).
It is of course hard to determin this because Luke and Sidious is so ridicilousley above Mace and Kit in power, but seeing as this has been stated before on other people you can't help but wonder....
Originally posted by Escape81
You're missing the point. Yoda didn't disarm Sidious with laughable ease. They fought for a while, and even when Yoda disarmed him - he was unable to kill Sidious.
So...how long did the lightsaber duel last? Not as short as the duel between Mace and Sidious. Mace alone in a 1v1 was able to disarm Sidious very quickly. He and Dooku could as a duo possibly do the same to DE. But anyway... Yoda beat him in lightsaber combat as did Mace, so Sidious is not a very good duelist. He instead depends on his witts and tactics to make up for his poor dueling ability. I believe that if MAce and Dooku force a lightsaber fight, which might very well happen they have a 76% chance of winning.
Originally posted by kamikz
That doesn't talk for their speed does it? I'm not arguing their power clashing together, but their speed could be an exaggeration. Wasn't it Leia that said/thought this when she fought them (that they were so fast), cause many jedi have seen people and said similar things (speed wise that is).It is of course hard to determin this because Luke and Sidious is so ridicilousley above Mace and Kit in power, but seeing as this has been stated before on other people you can't help but wonder....
They fill EU with hyperboles to make the story more intense and interesting.
Yeah, yeah, hyperbole is just a way to say you don't have a counter and thus try to discredit the source. the narraration described them as moving all over the room and tearing it apart in seconds. This is, for the final time, DE Sidious and he's grown more powerful in every freaking respect many times over.
I'm tired of this 'Sidious isn't a good duelist' bull, he was described as an incredible fighter, killed three of the best Jedi duelists ever and is only beaten by the two best fighters the galaxy had ever seen up to that point. and Sidious is only said to be possibly one of the best duelists who ever lived, but, why look at evidence.
Other narrators described other Jedi and Sith the same way. Say, how can you attack someone that moves so fast he's invisible, Or attack someone that fights and moves like a tornado.
Yes, of course he beat 3 jedi that just stood there and did nothing at all. Incredible! Of course he is one of the best when you compare him to Kit fisto or any other "weak" jedi.
I don't think of Sidious as a crappy duelist, hell no, vice versa. Heck I even belive that he faked against Mace Windu. (Possibly in the sword battle, but definently in the force using....)And I have never mentioned him being a crappy one either, I just said that the "moving so fast that he is barley visible" could possibly, and I say possibly be hyperbole.
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
No, Wikipedia, the star wars databank and other sources say Mace and Vaapad were able to defeat Sidious in a duel. Again leading back to "you cant fake being disarmed."
I don't think you want to rely on the Databank for information, because Yoda's biography states that "The Emperor was too powerful for Yoda to defeat".
Whether you like to accept it or not, Yoda - in no way, shape, or form - outclasses (your words) Palpatine. If he did, then he would have defeated Palpatine, regardless of the supposed "tactical advantage".
Like I told you. A perfect example of Palpatine's abilities is on the Chancellor's podium. Yoda forced Palpatine off the center position, and then Palpatine did the same thing. If Palpatine were leagues beneath him, the fight would have been over in less than 10 seconds.
It didn't. Quit acting ignorant.
Thats only one source. Other sources on Vaapad say the same thing, so that approves it. Dont need to rely on one source.
Anakin outclassed Dooku, can he do it more than once? Would he be successful a second time around?
When did I ever say he was leagues beneath Yoda, I said yoda was a better duelist and possibly a better force user. Did the lightsaber fight not last a few minutes? In both Yoda vs Sidious and Mace vs Sidious.
I does, try searching Vaapad.
Hey, Akbar, did you miss how the ROTS novelization calls Kit, Agen and Saesee three of the best Jedi duelists the order ever produced?
And once again: Any proof the other Jedi were moving that fast? flying over Palpatine's throne room, tearing it to ribbons in moments seems adequate proof they were that fast
You said this before, Admiral Ackbar. 12 days ago.
The fight scene sucked, and the jedi did nothing. Sure shows how incredible Palpatine is.Yoda is far better than Sidious in every aspect. He won the saber fight, then they moved on to pod hurling, Palpatine lost that one as well, and then they ended with yoda using his amazing force powers to push all the energy back at palpatine.
I am assuming that you still operate under the same assumption. The point is - it didn't work for Yoda, or Mace before.
Now, to take the phrase "far better in every aspect", Sidious (by DE) is "far better in every aspect than Mace and Dooku". His Force Storms WTFpwns them. His Force powers (otherwise) are still football leagues ahead of these two, and his saber skills are better as well.
He crushes these two.