Originally posted by kgkg
When has DS shown SUper SPeed?
He kicked Kid flash for one , and his speed is more associated with Super reflexes , ergo he should have been able to crouch or dodge it easily enough.
He can hold it with TK.
Bullshit , now your being a fanboy. Show me ONE instance when Cable has held back energy with his TK.
Originally posted by grey fox
Bullshit , now your being a fanboy. Show me ONE instance when Cable has held back energy with his TK.
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/9384/cd005213ix.jpg
He also held back cyclops' optic blast.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
LOLThats why I put that link up thats in your quote.
That's why I looked though the respect thread and couldn't find anything to support the claims you are making. Again I ask, were is there any proof that Cable can perceive objects traveling at light speed, not to mention actually being able to fight opponents at that speed?
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
In the Cable respect thread I started hes do everything I'm saying.
Then I guess it wouldn't be too much trouble for you to actually go get the scans that would support your claims and post them here.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
In that he also beat X-Man who at the point he was at in power would be considered omega level.He also beat the Hulk and Death Wolverine(who almost killed Hulk) all in his regular state.
None of that is relevant as Superman would have killed all of them in his "regular state" as well and a damn site quicker I might add.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/9384/cd005213ix.jpgHe also held back cyclops' optic blast.
A. That isn't holding it in place , thats holding it back with a force field . I thought you meant hold it in place.
B . You can noticeably see the shield cracking up as little energy rays are siphoning through. Not that the shield honestly matters considering Supes could simply change the intensity so it slips through the shield.
Originally posted by TheKahn
That's why I looked though the respect thread and couldn't find anything to support the claims you are making. Again I ask, were is there any proof that Cable can perceive objects traveling at light speed, not to mention actually being able to fight opponents at that speed?
Here he knew the Surfer was coming before he got there.
Are you going to argue Surfer doesn't fight/move at that speed on the board?
http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cabledeadpool092005broomhandle1.jpg
Did you read the Lightmaster scans?
http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/5489/cd005165kj.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/7871/cd005193ge.jpg
Originally posted by TheKahn
None of that is relevant as Superman would have killed all of them in his "regular state" as well and a damn site quicker I might add.
Yes it is, because Cable fighting and beating them is like what Superman fights.
Superman would have a real hard time beating X-Man like that and Cable did it in his lowest power set.
Originally posted by grey fox
A. That isn't holding it in place , thats holding it back with a force field . I thought you meant hold it in place.B . You can noticeably see the shield cracking up as little energy rays are siphoning through. Not that the shield honestly matters considering Supes could simply change the intensity so it slips through the shield.
1)I was talking about holding it in his eyes before it comes out.
2)He started to let it get through so he could throw him in this
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/9384/cd005213ix.jpgHe also held back cyclops' optic blast.
That's nice but Superman's bio-aura has taken far more than that.
Superman taking a blast equal to a million nuclear blasts.
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/850/0822346hj.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3932/08222005121910pm8yp.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6301/089054127na.jpg
Here is supes surviving an island destroying nuke at ground zero WHILE laying in kryptonite AND weakened from fighting multiple enemies for days. He comes out unfazed.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/supesnuke.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/supesnuke2.jpg
Here's Superman actually escaping a double black hole, this proves his strength, speed, and durability.
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4198/untitled128qt3bk.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5858/untitled138wy8fy.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5207/untitled140kt3ew.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8946/untitled166ov4wo.jpg
And just a few speed feats:
Here's Superman taking Darksied to the sun in seconds. It takes light 8 minutes to get from Earth to the Sun.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5590/darksiedbeaten7sq.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6573/darksiedbeaten25ph.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/192/supermanbatman13pg08097cu.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1609/supermanbatman13pg109es.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5647/supermanbatman13pg114cl.jpg
Superman heres GL (Kyle) about a million miles away from Earth in bed, and he gets there in seconds.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1954/08222005054558pm3oy.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2785/08222005054722pm5jq.jpg
Superman going faster than the speed of light
Lois asks Superman for Champagne from another contry, and by the time she finishes her short sentence, Supes already got it, and has been waiting for a while.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5899/supespeed6kt.jpg
I just have a very hard time seeing exactly what Cable is going to do to actually hurt Superman if he ever manages to catch him. 😬
All scans and descrptions of feats from the Superman respect thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371890&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=1
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
1)I was talking about holding it in his eyes before it comes out.2)He started to let it get through so he could throw him in this
The shield doesn't matter. Supes just changes the frequency of his heat vision ever so slightly and suddenly it's going through the shield and then Cables skull (In that order)
Friggin mutie....
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Here he knew the Surfer was coming before he got there.Are you going to argue Surfer doesn't fight/move at that speed on the board?
So humor me here, if Surfer wanted Cable dead is it fair to believe with his power cosmic he doesn't have to be on Earth to use this power?
Yes it is, because Cable fighting and beating them is like what Superman fights.Superman would have a real hard time beating X-Man like that and Cable did it in his lowest power set.
X-man's fight holds no relevance to this what so ever. This isn't a fight with an Amped up human with TP and TK, this is a Kryptonian who if he wanted to simply sit in the atmosphere and Melt Cable from the Atmosphere........................Once again Cable acknowledging Surfer's presence isn't Cable REACTING ie taking action its him realizing he's there.
What kind of Durability does Cable have without his TK shields?
Originally posted by TheKahn
That's nice but Superman's bio-aura has taken far more than that.Superman taking a blast equal to a million nuclear blasts.
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/850/0822346hj.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3932/08222005121910pm8yp.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6301/089054127na.jpgHere is supes surviving an island destroying nuke at ground zero WHILE laying in kryptonite AND weakened from fighting multiple enemies for days. He comes out unfazed.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/supesnuke.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/supesnuke2.jpgHere's Superman actually escaping a double black hole, this proves his strength, speed, and durability.
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4198/untitled128qt3bk.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5858/untitled138wy8fy.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5207/untitled140kt3ew.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8946/untitled166ov4wo.jpgAnd just a few speed feats:
Here's Superman taking Darksied to the sun in seconds. It takes light 8 minutes to get from Earth to the Sun.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5590/darksiedbeaten7sq.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6573/darksiedbeaten25ph.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/192/supermanbatman13pg08097cu.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1609/supermanbatman13pg109es.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5647/supermanbatman13pg114cl.jpgSuperman heres GL (Kyle) about a million miles away from Earth in bed, and he gets there in seconds.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1954/08222005054558pm3oy.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2785/08222005054722pm5jq.jpgSuperman going faster than the speed of light
Lois asks Superman for Champagne from another contry, and by the time she finishes her short sentence, Supes already got it, and has been waiting for a while.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5899/supespeed6kt.jpgI just have a very hard time seeing exactly what Cable is going to do to actually hurt Superman if he ever manages to catch him. 😬
All scans and descrptions of feats from the Superman respect thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371890&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=1
I know Supes level of durability and Speed.
You didn't need to show that.
Cable can also shield himself with TK to do those feats.
Hes also fought people voing light speed and faster, which I showed.
I also know that Maxwell Lord took years to mind control him, but Cable in that state and in his lowest state trumps that by a real lot.
Cable trump Professor X in telepathy a real lot.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Here he knew the Surfer was coming before he got there.Are you going to argue Surfer doesn't fight/move at that speed on the board?
http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cabledeadpool092005broomhandle1.jpg
doh
The Surfer is able to travel at light speed but there is not a great deal of actual evidence to show that he fights at that speed. As for your scan, you should actually read what they said. They could hear the Surfer coming, meaning that he wasn't even traveling faster the speed of sound. eer
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Did you read the Lightmaster scans?
http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/5489/cd005165kj.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/7871/cd005193ge.jpg
Yes, I did read them and there isn't any actual evidence that Lightmaster fights at light speed. At most there is only an allusion by Cable that he can travel at that speed. Travel speed and combat speed are two very different things.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Yes it is, because Cable fighting and beating them is like what Superman fights.
🤨
I have no idea what this is suppose to mean. Just because Cable manages to beat someone that Superman could also beat, then that means Cable and Superman are on the same level?
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Superman would have a real hard time beating X-Man like that and Cable did it in his lowest power set.
😆
Sure pal. Keep telling yourself that. Superman has only been taking out cosmic level bad villains for decades.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
I know Supes level of durability and Speed.You didn't need to show that.
That is what you do in a debate. You actually show scans that demonstrate that a character is capable of doing what you are claiming they can.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Cable can also shield himself with TK to do those feats.
See? No scans, just a baseless argument that Cable can take a blast equal to a million nuclear blasts or he can travel at the speed of light. If he can do that, they post a scan actually showing him do it.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
That is what you do in a debate. You actually show scans that demonstrate that a character is capable[QUOTE=6819021]Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
[B]
Hes also fought people voing light speed and faster, which I showed.
Now if Cable is truly capable of this, then he must have this more than once. Why don't you post another instance of him taking on an opponent at light speed?
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
I also know that Maxwell Lord took years to mind control him, but Cable in that state and in his lowest state trumps that by a real lot.Cable trump Professor X in telepathy a real lot.
I don't know if you are just kidding or if you actually believe that simply because you say something is true then that opinion is concrete fact. How exactly do you know that Cable is a greater telepath than Lord? Lord has taken over thousands of minds at once but it took a years for him to do the same to Superman because of Superman's mental defenses and will power. Thus it isn't a comment on Lord's power but Superman's defenses.
Originally posted by TheKahn
dohThe Surfer is able to travel at light speed but there is not a great deal of actual evidence to show that he fights at that speed. As for your scan, you should actually read what they said. They could [b]hear
the Surfer coming, meaning that he wasn't even traveling faster the speed of sound. eer[/B]
Bah
He still fought lightmaster when he was going light speed.
Originally posted by TheKahn
doh Yes, I did read them and there isn't any actual evidence that Lightmaster fights at light speed. At most there is only an allusion by Cable that he can travel at that speed. Travel speed and combat speed are two very different things.
He thinks, moves and reacts at light speed...
Hes made of light.
They did that mathmatics at how fast it would take for something moving a light speed to come back to where they were from the moon, and he was back before that.
Why would he be holding back and not fight at his max?
Superman doesn't go light speed off the bat.
Lightmaster someone whos MADE of light does.
Originally posted by TheKahn
I have no idea what this is suppose to mean. Just because Cable manages to beat someone that Superman could also beat, then that means Cable and Superman are on the same level?
I'm saying though Superman would beat Hulk, but he would have a hard time doing that and Cable did it in his lowest state.😉
Originally posted by TheKahn
Sure pal. Keep telling yourself that. Superman has only been taking out cosmic level bad villains for decades.
😆
Yeah guy, I know that...its nothing new....
Its foolish of you to think Superman wouldn't have a hard time beating X-Man at his omega level state...
Its okay though.
This is actually quite humorous. There is absolutely no way that Cable could even perceive Superman going at those speeds. Cable is a person with human physiology and a person can only think at 30 meters a second. Superman's speed>>>>>>>>>Cable's thinking speed. Cable lacks the necessary requirements to beat Superman. Storm Shadow, all you're "feats" that you are giving us doesn't in anyway prove that he can fight things going at the speed of light, in fact Kahn disproved them all. You are basically fighting a losing battle here.
Superman also goes way faster than the speed of light. WAY faster. In fact, where he took Darkseid the sun in a couple of seconds, was rougly 252X the speed of light. If you can actually prove Cable being able to react at that kind of speed, I give up. Until then, Cable has no real substantial chance of winning. You are being extremely biased here. Just because you are a Cable fan doesn't mean you can't accept when he can lose. It doesn't make you any less of a fan.
I haven't even gone into great depth about Superman's T-Vo either. At the very least, Superman's T-Vo is about as effective as Cable's TP. Superman already confused Eradicator with his T-Vo, and he casted illusions all over the place. He was toying with Eradicator's mind. Eradicator is actually a more powerful version of the Silver Surfer. Please, this is absolutely rediculous to even think that Cable can beat Superman. That's like saying a normal human can beat Supes. I know obviously Cable is MUCH more powerful than a human (duh), but the basic outcome of the fight would be the same. All of Cable's powers are mindbased. When you have a character that can go faster than the speed of thought, not to mention the speed of light, it's not looking very good for the other person.
Cable is good, but he's definitely not this good. Superman has defeated much stronger opponents than Cable before. There wouldn't be a whole lot for old Cable to do here I'm afraid. With that said, Superman would win this confrontation 10/10. If you can actually show me some proof of Cable being able to react to speeds MUCH greater than the speed of light, then I'll reconsider. However, for right now, Supes stomps him HARD.
Originally posted by batdude123
This is actually quite humorous. There is absolutely no way that Cable could even perceive Superman going at those speeds. Cable is a person with human physiology and a person can only think at 30 meters a second. Superman's speed>>>>>>>>>Cable's thinking speed. Cable lacks the necessary requirements to beat Superman. Storm Shadow, all you're "feats" that you are giving us doesn't in anyway prove that he can fight things going at the speed of light, in fact Kahn disproved them all. You are basically fighting a losing battle here.Superman also goes way faster than the speed of light. WAY faster. In fact, where he took Darkseid the sun in a couple of seconds, was rougly 252X the speed of light. If you can actually prove Cable being able to react at that kind of speed, I give up. Until then, Cable has no real substantial chance of winning. You are being extremely biased here. Just because you are a Cable fan doesn't mean you can't accept when he can lose. It doesn't make you any less of a fan.
I haven't even gone into great depth about Superman's T-Vo either. At the very least, Superman's T-Vo is about as effective as Cable's TP. Superman already confused Eradicator with his T-Vo, and he casted illusions all over the place. He was toying with Eradicator's mind. Eradicator is actually a more powerful version of the Silver Surfer. Please, this is absolutely rediculous to even think that Cable can beat Superman. That's like saying a normal human can beat Supes. I know obviously Cable is MUCH more powerful than a human (duh), but the basic outcome of the fight would be the same. All of Cable's powers are mindbased. When you have a character that can go faster than the speed of thought, not to mention the speed of light, it's not looking very good for the other person.
Cable is good, but he's definitely not this good. Superman has defeated much stronger opponents than Cable before. There wouldn't be a whole lot for old Cable to do here I'm afraid. With that said, Superman would win this confrontation 10/10. If you can actually show me some proof of Cable being able to react to speeds MUCH greater than the speed of light, then I'll reconsider. However, for right now, Supes stomps him HARD.
Hey Storm , would you like your ass wrapped with or without a bow when it gets handed back to you ?
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
BahHe still fought lightmaster when he was going light speed.
And where does it state that exactly? Oh, that's right it doesn't. You are the only one who has suggested that Lightmaster fights at light speed.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
He thinks, moves and reacts at light speed...Hes made of light.
They did that mathmatics at how fast it would take for something moving a light speed to come back to where they were from the moon, and he was back before that.
Why would he be holding back and not fight at his max?
Superman doesn't go light speed off the bat.
Lightmaster someone whos MADE of light does.
Again there is a very large difference between traveling at light speed and fighting at light speed. And there isn't any evidence in your scans that Lightmaster was doing the latter. In fact, he actually stooped moving and proceed to talk to Cable which is the only thing that actually allows Cable to get a bead on him. While he was moving at whatever speed he as going, Cable was getting killed.
So if he can move at light speed, he had to slow down just to give Cable a way to beat him which is something Superman wouldn't do.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
I'm saying though Superman would beat Hulk, but he would have a hard time doing that and Cable did it in his lowest state.😉
They "beat" the Hulk for different reasons. The Hulk is slow enough for Cable to attack and has a degree of vulnerability to telepathy, thus Cable has a chance against him. Superman is so fast that neither Cable or the Hulk could touch him and has damn good defense against telepathy. It's apples to oranges.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Yeah guy, I know that...its nothing new....Its foolish of you to think Superman wouldn't have a hard time beating X-Man at his omega level state...
Its okay though.
He wouldn't have a hard time thanks to the one fact that many people fail to address when matching up DC and Marvel characters. Superman is just too fast.
Originally posted by TheKahn
That is what you do in a debate. You actually show scans that demonstrate that a character is capable of doing what you are claiming they can.
Really though, who doesn't know Superman can move near and sometimes faster then light speed?😂
Originally posted by TheKahn
See? No scans, just a baseless argument that Cable can take a blast equal to a million nuclear blasts or he can travel at the speed of light. If he can do that, they post a scan actually showing him do it.
Thats 247 missles they didn't have the exact level of how powerful they were, but I highly doubt SHIELD would go easy on him.
http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/4356/cabledeadpool092005broomhandle1.jpg
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/4356/cabledeadpool092005broomhandle1.jpg
He also survived a nuke at ground zero with Tk, but the issue eludes me.
For real, WTF does it matter though?
What the hells Superman going to do to him that would equal out to million nuclear blasts?😂
Originally posted by TheKahn
What you showed was him fighting, at a seemingly normal speed, a character who may be capable of traveling at light speed. Nothing more.
Whatever ignor it then.......
That'll just make it easy for me to ignor your rebuttal's.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Now if Cable is truly capable of this, then he must have this more than once. Why don't you post another instance of him taking on an opponent at light speed?
Because he was only at that state for a short time.
Heres a fact though; the person who invented Cable wrote that fight.
Thats like trying to argue against something Stan Lee wrote Spider-Man could do.
Originally posted by TheKahn
I don't know if you are just kidding or if you actually believe that simply because [b]you say something is true then that opinion is concrete fact. How exactly do you know that Cable is a greater telepath than Lord? Lord has taken over thousands of minds at once but it took a years for him to do the same to Superman because of Superman's mental defenses and will power. Thus it isn't a comment on Lord's power but Superman's defenses. [/B]
Becaues hes more powerful then Professor X at that state and we all know how powerful he is...kinda like we all know Superman can fly.
Do you really think Lord is more powerful then X?
