Originally posted by batdude123
This is actually quite humorous. There is absolutely no way that Cable could even perceive Superman going at those speeds. Cable is a person with human physiology and a person can only think at 30 meters a second. Superman's speed>>>>>>>>>Cable's thinking speed. Cable lacks the necessary requirements to beat Superman. Storm Shadow, all you're "feats" that you are giving us doesn't in anyway prove that he can fight things going at the speed of light, in fact Kahn disproved them all. You are basically fighting a losing battle here.Superman also goes way faster than the speed of light. WAY faster. In fact, where he took Darkseid the sun in a couple of seconds, was rougly 252X the speed of light. If you can actually prove Cable being able to react at that kind of speed, I give up. Until then, Cable has no real substantial chance of winning. You are being extremely biased here. Just because you are a Cable fan doesn't mean you can't accept when he can lose. It doesn't make you any less of a fan.
I haven't even gone into great depth about Superman's T-Vo either. At the very least, Superman's T-Vo is about as effective as Cable's TP. Superman already confused Eradicator with his T-Vo, and he casted illusions all over the place. He was toying with Eradicator's mind. Eradicator is actually a more powerful version of the Silver Surfer. Please, this is absolutely rediculous to even think that Cable can beat Superman. That's like saying a normal human can beat Supes. I know obviously Cable is MUCH more powerful than a human (duh), but the basic outcome of the fight would be the same. All of Cable's powers are mindbased. When you have a character that can go faster than the speed of thought, not to mention the speed of light, it's not looking very good for the other person.
Cable is good, but he's definitely not this good. Superman has defeated much stronger opponents than Cable before. There wouldn't be a whole lot for old Cable to do here I'm afraid. With that said, Superman would win this confrontation 10/10. If you can actually show me some proof of Cable being able to react to speeds MUCH greater than the speed of light, then I'll reconsider. However, for right now, Supes stomps him HARD.
ST0RM, you want to counter this???
Originally posted by batdude123
This is actually quite humorous. There is absolutely no way that Cable could even perceive Superman going at those speeds. Cable is a person with human physiology and a person can only think at 30 meters a second. Superman's speed>>>>>>>>>Cable's thinking speed. Cable lacks the necessary requirements to beat Superman. Storm Shadow, all you're "feats" that you are giving us doesn't in anyway prove that he can fight things going at the speed of light, in fact Kahn disproved them all. You are basically fighting a losing battle here.
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He fought Lightmaster when Lightmaster was going at light speed.
They said he was moving at light speed from the moon.
Lightmaster said hes made of light thinks a light speed.
What are you dense, I know you're the goddamn Batdude.😛
I know its hard for Kahn to come to that conclusion that he was moving at lightspeed(sigh), but really they more then actually SAY he was......
They even do the MATH..😂
Originally posted by batdude123
Superman also goes way faster than the speed of light. WAY faster. In fact, where he took Darkseid the sun in a couple of seconds, was rougly 252X the speed of light. If you can actually prove Cable being able to react at that kind of speed, I give up.
No bro, he doesn't move faster then light off the bat.
He doesn't even move a light off the bat.
His heat his vision is slower then light.
Flash out ran it.....
Originally posted by batdude123
I haven't even gone into great depth about Superman's T-Vo either. At the very least, Superman's T-Vo is about as effective as Cable's TP. Superman already confused Eradicator with his T-Vo, and he casted illusions all over the place. He was toying with Eradicator's mind. Eradicator is actually a more powerful version of the Silver Surfer. Please, this is absolutely rediculous to even think that Cable can beat Superman. That's like saying a normal human can beat Supes. I know obviously Cable is MUCH more powerful than a human (duh), but the basic outcome of the fight would be the same. All of Cable's powers are mindbased. When you have a character that can go faster than the speed of thought, not to mention the speed of light, it's not looking very good for the other person.
Can you prove that...or atleast show link to where you got that info?
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Really though, who doesn't know Superman can move near and sometimes faster then light speed?😂
Actually, I've found a good number of people on this forum are not aware of Superman's top tier speed feats. Regardless, the point of post those scans were two fold. One to demonstrate that if you are going to make a claim and expect people to take it seriously then you need to provide evidence (preferably more than one instance) to support what you are claiming. Two, it served to demonstrate exactly what offensive firepower Cable would have to be capable of producing in order to actually hurt Superman.
Based on what you've proven in this debate (practically nothing), I'm not even sure if Cable could hurt Superman if he was standing still.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Thats 247 missiles they didn't have the exact level of how powerful they were, but I highly doubt SHIELD would go easy on him.http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/4356/cabledeadpool092005broomhandle1.jpg
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/4356/cabledeadpool092005broomhandle1.jpgHe also survived a nuke at ground zero with Tk, but the issue eludes me.
For real, WTF does it matter though?
What the hells Superman going to do to him that would equal out to million nuclear blasts?😂
There, that's better. Still Superman's durability feats but that to shame especially considering that there is no evidence that those missiles didn't have conventional (ie non-nuclear) warheads. And Superman has taken a nuke while being exposed to kryptonite, wakened from several fights, and was still able to use his speed to contain the blast.
As for what Superman could do to Cable that would be equal one million nuclear blasts, the answer is simple. All Superman would have to do is accelerate to a fraction of the speed of light and crash into Cable. Force is measured as the multiplication of an objects acceleration and it's mass. As an object approaches the speed of light, one of the effects is that it's mass actually increases to infinity. Thus a near light-speed punch from Superman would impart a force far greater than 1 million nukes.
The question should be what has Cable done to show he could survive that?
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Whatever ignor it then.......That'll just make it easy for me to ignor your rebuttal's.
I'm not ignoring it, just disputing your interpretation of the fight. But if you can't handle that, then do what you must.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Because he was only at that state for a short time.Heres a fact though; the person who invented Cable wrote that fight.
Thats like trying to argue against something Stan Lee wrote Spider-Man could do.
Exactly, he has very few feats and many Cable fans insist on extrapolating those few feats beyond what they really are. For example, regardless of Lightmaster's speed, Cable couldn't and didn't hit him until he slowed down. Now instead of accepting this you demand that this means that Cable now has lightspeed reaction times despite the fact that he has never before or since done anything to suggest that this is true.
And actually I can't see how it matter's who wrote the comic. What is in dispute isn't the feats themselves, but how they are interpreted.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Becaues hes more powerful then Professor X at that state and we all know how powerful he is...kinda like we all know Superman can fly.Do you really think Lord is more powerful then X?
I'm not sure exactly how Professor X, Cable, and Max Lord would compare to each other in telepathic skill. The difference is I don't automatically assume Cable or Chuck is more powerful than Lord, as you do. I'd actually need to see some evidence on all the characters before I could make an informed judgement.
Also, since there isn't any other example of Cable using this ability, where exactly in comics does it describe how and where Cable developed the ability to think at light speed? Where has another character or Cable himself commented on this ability?
If the answer is it has never been stated that he as this ability and no one has even commented on the fact that he has it, then what would that tell about this "power" of his?
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
🤨He fought Lightmaster when Lightmaster was going at light speed.
They said he was moving at light speed from the moon.
Lightmaster said hes made of light thinks a light speed.
What are you dense, I know you're the goddamn Batdude.😛
I know its hard for Kahn to come to that conclusion that he was moving at lightspeed(sigh), but really they more then actually SAY he was......
They even do the MATH..😂
Yeah, he has the capability to FLY at the speed of light. However their is no indication whatsoever of Lightmaster moving at lightspeed when he was attacking Cable. In fact, a good indication would be because him and Lightmaster were actually having a conversation in the middle of the match. Superman moves MUCH faster than the speed of light anyway. This feat means jack.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
No bro, he doesn't move faster then light off the bat.He doesn't even move a light off the bat.
His heat his vision is slower then light.
Flash out ran it.....
Really?? He can't move faster than the speed of light right off the bat??? Yeah, that's exactly why it took him two seconds to fly DS to the sun. 🙄 It doesn't even really matter because Superman's reaction and thinking speeds are MUCH higher than Cable's. Cable would be like a statue to him. I'm not even saying that Superman's heat vision was faster than light. Where exactly did I say it was??? 🤨 Exactly, I didn't even bring it up in our conversation. Bottom line, Cable is too slow to do anything to Superman. By the time Cable even formulated a thought, he would've already been KOed by Superman.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Can you prove that...or atleast show link to where you got that info?
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vo23kw.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vo31hz.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=torquasmvo4po.jpg
Originally posted by TheKahn
There, that's better. Still Superman's durability feats but that to shame especially considering that there is no evidence that those missiles didn't have conventional (ie non-nuclear) warheads. And Superman has taken a nuke while being exposed to kryptonite, wakened from several fights, and was still able to use his speed to contain the blast.
Still what is Superman going to do that would be the equvilant to that without building up speed at which point he would stop him or teleport away, then attack via telepathy from a far?
Originally posted by TheKahn
As for what Superman could do to Cable that would be equal one million nuclear blasts, the answer is simple. All Superman would have to do is accelerate to a fraction of the speed of light and crash into Cable. Force is measured as the multiplication of an objects acceleration and it's mass. As an object approaches the speed of light, one of the effects is that it's mass actually increases to infinity. Thus a near light-speed punch from Superman would impart a force far greater than 1 million nukes.
Same question.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Exactly, he has very few feats and many Cable fans insist on extrapolating those few feats beyond what they really are. For example, regardless of Lightmaster's speed, Cable couldn't and didn't hit him until he slowed down. Now instead of accepting this you demand that this means that Cable now has lightspeed reaction times despite the fact that he has never before or since done anything to suggest that this is true.
He handled someone moving at light speed someone who is made of light.
They say it........
It may not mater as much if it wasn't the person who invented the character who said that, but when its someone who invented the character that says he can do it....even if it is only one time.
Originally posted by TheKahn
I'm not sure exactly how Professor X, Cable, and Max Lord would compare to each other in telepathic skill. The difference is I don't automatically assume Cable or Chuck is more powerful than Lord, as you do. I'd actually need to see some evidence on all the characters before I could make an informed judgement.
X could do nothing to stop Cable in that state.
I've not seen one thing that says Lord is more powerful then X.
I even think he might, MIGHT be as powerful, but not more.
Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, he has the capability to FLY at the speed of light. However their is no indication whatsoever of Lightmaster moving at lightspeed when he was attacking Cable. In fact, a good indication would be because him and Lightmaster were actually having a conversation in the middle of the match. Superman moves MUCH faster than the speed of light anyway. This feat means jack.
When he was coming back?
No he didn't...
Or are you talking about the time he stopped to talk?
I know he wasn't moving at light at that point.
He says hes made of light can do all the things a light speed....
Why would he hold back?
Originally posted by batdude123
Really?? He can't move faster than the speed of light right off the bat??? Yeah, that's exactly why it took him two seconds to fly DS to the sun.
Know he can't......
If he could the he woulda stopped Flash when he wanted to find out his ID for him to be in the JLA.
Show the DS fight and what issue its from.
Originally posted by batdude123
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vo23kw.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vo31hz.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=torquasmvo4po.jpg
Whats that from?
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
When he was coming back?No he didn't...
Or are you talking about the time he stopped to talk?
I know he wasn't moving at light at that point.
He says hes made of light can do all the things a light speed....
When they were fighting. Yes, LM did make a reference to saying he moves at the speed of light. However, when LM was attacking Cable, do you really have any proof that states he was attacking at the speed of light? It is pure speculation that he did. Nothing more. Yes, he can fly and travel at the speed of light, however the difference between LM and Superman, is that Superman can actually ATTACK someone faster than the speed of light. Light master it seemed couldn't do this.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
No he can't......If he could the he woulda stopped Flash when he wanted to find out his ID for him to be in the JLA.
Show the DS fight and what issue its from.
Yeah, basically he can. It takes him so little time, it doesn't make a difference because Superman would've already gone way past the speed of light before Cable could even formulate a thought. The Flash example btw is a horrible example because the Flash is not only faster than Superman, but he can also think and react faster than him. Cable doesn't have the luxury of having a brain like a speedsters. He still has human physiology. He cannot react to the speeds Superman would present. Seriously, by the time Cable would have even thought of anything, Superman would've already beat him, had a cup of coffee, read the morning newspaper, and be back in time for dinner:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6819590
By the way, the Darkseid match was on the other page. Kahn posted scans of it.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Whats that from?
Don't really know. Ask Avalon. They're his scans. So, not only does Superman have a slew of other powers that he would use to kick the crap out of Cable with, he also has one of Cable's: telepathy. Btw, Dominus, the person who is getting mind wiped in those scans is damn near skyfather level. Uh, yeah Superman takes this one 10/10.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Still what is Superman going to do that would be the equvilant to that without building up speed at which point he would stop him or teleport away, then attack via telepathy from a far?
Superman has been shown to accelerate to light speed in fractions of a second (see the scan Batdude and I have posted). His acceleration is nearly as insane as his top speed. Keep in mind that the speed of light is 186,282.397 miles per second, so once Superman reaches less than 1% of that (which he can do very quickly) Cable will not be able to tell where Superman is much less actually attack him. There isn't anything stopping him from flying around the planet once or twice build up speed and then attacking Cable before Cable has become aware the fight has started.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Same question.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
He handled someone moving at light speed someone who is made of light.They say it........
It may not mater as much if it wasn't the person who invented the character who said that, but when its someone who invented the character that says he can do it....even if it is only one time.
Actually, whatever speed Lightmaster was using to own Cable, he had to slow down and talk to Cable before Cable could attack or BFR him. Had Cable been able to attack Lightmaster while Lightmaster was actually moving then this would be a different matter.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
X could do nothing to stop Cable in that state.I've not seen one thing that says Lord is more powerful then X.
I even think he might, MIGHT be as powerful, but not more.
Assuming you're right, how does that equal Cable being able to mentally manipulate Superman during the fight? It took Max Lord years to affect him mentally, so if Cable is more powerful then it might only take him one year or six months. The problem is that there is not way determine for sure if Cable could do what Max did in significantly less time.
And that isn't even taking into account the fact that Superman can end the fight before Cable realizes the fight has started and and his T-Vo.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Superman has been shown to accelerate to light speed in fractions of a second (see the scan Batdude and I have posted). His acceleration is nearly as insane as his top speed. Keep in mind that the speed of light is 186,282.397 miles per second, so once Superman reaches less than 1% of that (which he can do very quickly) Cable will not be able to tell where Superman is much less actually attack him. There isn't anything stopping him from flying around the planet once or twice build up speed and then attacking Cable before Cable has become aware the fight has started.Same answer. You can't hit what you can't see.
Actually, whatever speed Lightmaster was using to own Cable, he had to slow down and talk to Cable before Cable could attack or BFR him. Had Cable been able to attack Lightmaster while Lightmaster was actually moving then this would be a different matter.
Assuming you're right, how does that equal Cable being able to mentally manipulate Superman during the fight? It took Max Lord years to affect him mentally, so if Cable is more powerful then it might only take him one year or six months. The problem is that there is not way determine for sure if Cable could do what Max did in significantly less time.
And that isn't even taking into account the fact that Superman can end the fight before Cable realizes the fight has started and and his T-Vo.
Very well put Kahn. 👆
Originally posted by batdude123
Very well put Kahn. 👆
Thanks. What is funny is that this is the exact same line of argument that comes up in nearly every single Superman vs "Marvel Character" fight. The speed discrepancy is just too great to be ignored. Instead of this being addressed by the thread starter with some sort of speed cap, the same explanation of why an essentially human character can't hit someone who can travel near, at, or above light speed has to be dragged out again and again.
If you go to the Hulk vs Superman or Juggernaut vs Superman thread, you'll see the exact same arguments. 😬
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0Wit says right in the scan from cable. " didnt see this one cumming", so that kinda contradicts what your saying, and they also heard it, it says nowhere in that scan, that cable sensed ss was cumming.
Here he knew the Surfer was coming before he got there.Are you going to argue Surfer doesn't fight/move at that speed on the board?
http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cabledeadpool092005broomhandle1.jpgDid you read the Lightmaster scans?
http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/5489/cd005165kj.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/7871/cd005193ge.jpgYes it is, because Cable fighting and beating them is like what Superman fights.
Superman would have a real hard time beating X-Man like that and Cable did it in his lowest power set.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Thanks. What is funny is that this is the exact same line of argument that comes up in nearly every single Superman vs "Marvel Character" fight. The speed discrepancy is just too great to be ignored. Instead of this being addressed by the thread starter with some sort of speed cap, the same explanation of why an essentially human character can't hit someone who can travel near, at, or above light speed has to be dragged out again and again.If you go to the Hulk vs Superman or Juggernaut vs Superman thread, you'll see the exact same arguments. 😬
Yep. That's exactly what I was thinking. The Hulk vs. Superman thread was a prime example. The Hulk fans couldn't get passed the speed arguement. It seems like this isn't any different. Cable doesn't have the reaction speed to face Superman at his absolute best. 😬
Originally posted by batdude123
When they were fighting. Yes, LM did make a reference to saying he moves at the speed of light. However, when LM was attacking Cable, do you really have any proof that states he was attacking at the speed of light? It is pure speculation that he did. Nothing more. Yes, he can fly and travel at the speed of light, however the difference between LM and Superman, is that Superman can actually ATTACK someone faster than the speed of light. Light master it seemed couldn't do this.
Lightmaster flew at him at the speed of light okay...they do the math of how fast it would take for something to move at the speed of light to get to where they were from the sun.....LM got there faster.
Lightmaster was trying to speed blitz him at light speed.
Cable reacted to it because he can stop things moving at light speed with his cybernetic eye...
It has been shown many times that Flash is faster then this Superman and Flash doesn't...well he's not suppossed to move faster then light.
Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, basically he can. It takes him so little time, it doesn't make a difference because Superman would've already gone way past the speed of light before Cable could even formulate a thought. The Flash example btw is a horrible example because the Flash is not only faster than Superman, but he can also think and react faster than him.
You do know why Flash didn't pass light speed don't you?
Flash wasn't moving at the speed of light and Superman couldn't catch him.
What does that tell you?
Don't say it was bad writing because Geoff Johns wrote it, and he's arguably one of if not thee best Flash writers of all time.
