Sam Raimi Discussion

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hulk is my favourite Marvel movie, because despite the changes in HOW things happened, the consequence and events were perfectly depicted right down to locations and demeanour. I say this as a long term Hulk fan, everything was perfect. Hulk was only in it a few times, that gave it impact.

The director's cut of Daredevil is better. Blade one is good, very good, two was alright, three was shit. I love the first Batman and I love Batman Begins. Fantastic Four was simply the worst ever.

If hair matters, I suggest a acquiring some kind of hobby.

-AC

Well, depends on what kind of hair. But serioulsy, yeah, the hair isnt important. But they could get some other guy who looked more as Eddie brock than Topher Grace. Also, the girl who plays Gwen Stacy, Bryce Dallas Howard, doesnt looks right for me.

About the comic movies. I liked hulk, but no so much. I thought that it was decent, but it could be much more better. I liked blade one and two, third was garbage. Daredevil was good and the directors cut was better. i didnt like elecktra. Punisher was ok. I loved superman one and two. Third and four was crap and returns was ok. I loved batman begins and hated the rest of the batman movies.

I liked the way they didn't have Hulk fight a mad villain in it, as in an actual fist fight with Abomination or something.

Now we have something to look forward to. I think that's what Hulk did best, made a great movie without throwing everything out there.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, not at all. If your favourite character is Jubilee, it doesn't mean she's a main character. The "main" X-Men are clearly Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Professor X and Magneto.

People became too concerned with seeing their favourite character in it than seeing a credible story that made sense and wasn't filled with a million MISTAKES. Not even changes, mistakes.

Look at him, though. Juggernaut is IMPOSSIBLY sized in the comics, he is bigger than any human being would ever become, that's why he's called Juggernaut, he's a human juggernaut. When you see him you are supposed to know that it's Juggernaut, when I saw X3's trailer I had to look three times, I thought it was Avalanche.

There are wrestlers bigger than the Juggernaut in that movie.

You are missing the point. Professor X has to only be a good vocal actor, he's not running around is he? If you can speak with gravity and importance, you could realistically be Professor X.

What are you talking about? Of course it wouldn't work if he walked up to her and just said that, that's why it was stupid adding him as a one-time role in the second movie and acting like nothing happened and they had no history. They simply shouldn't have put them in if they weren't going to explain things a bit.

They got too carried away with just trying to have everyone.

They're not, but I guess it's entirely difference of preference.

The WEBSHOOTERS aren't what's unrealistic, a regular guy making them just after he's discovered that he has powers is unrealistic. He didn't even do that in the comics. That was Raimi's point, Baker. He wasn't saying that webshooters are unrealistic. He was saying that for some regular guy having his life turned around...webshooters would be the last thing on your mind.

That's not Raimi's logic, though. You are misunderstanding him. His point wasn't that the webshooters themselves were unrealistic, just that they'd be unrealistic to the movie in the timeframe they have.

I'm not avoiding anything. You're just trying to find fault with everything, man.

You have to simply suspend your belief, that's the way it works. You could sit there all day saying "Oh that would never happen!", but you don't, because that's not the point of Marvel.

The irony is, you're doing what you accuse Sam Raimi of doing. You're begging for ultimate realism in an unrealistic movie.

The changes weren't unnecessary, though. Whether you liked them or not is up to you, but they were necessary. They had thought and reason behind them which I have explained in this post.

It's incredibly hypocritical for you to have a go at the Spider-Man story, character development and dialogue, but like X-Men, which is the shittest of them all above Fantastic Four.

You will pay money to see it then, either way. Buying/renting the DVD.

If you hate them so much, why did you keep watching them? You have NO right to complain if you keep watching them. If you hate them so much, don't watch them, but don't watch them and then come on the net and b*tch.

-AC

I was talking about the main characters, not the clearly supporting characters. I was talking about people like professor x, wolverine, cyclops, jean grey, storm, beast, iceman, colossus, rogue, nightcrawler, etc. With the exception of x and wolverine, who should be main and who supporting of those ones? Its difficult. The people have their fan favourites. The scripters did their best job.

What movie did you see? Because in the one that i see, juggernautt is pretty big. In the comics, juggernautt is a giant. To do that in a movie, you could make of him a creature made by computers, or doing camera tricks with an actor. They choosed the second one. It seemed right to me. And he was enough tall. See his fight wit wolverine, see when he fights all the x men in the last fight. He looked pretty big there.

Again, professor x needs to be a mature and good actor with an impossing voice. Just as Patrick Stewart is.

Once again, that nightcrawler/rogue/mistique history doesnt add a fuking thing to the movie. Also with Juggernautt being professor x's brother or some else. Mistique is just a henchwoman, like juggernautt is a henchman. So, if you liked so much the hulk, how on hell is the father of bruce an absorbing man clone? That wasnt in the comics. Keeping your logic, the storline was shit because of that.

The difference is that im not making those movies. Sam Raimi is making those movies. So, he should to keep that logic in those movies. And yes, that was an unnessessary change. He could explain it in several ways. Peter being a boy genious doing those web shooters to complete their powers and looks more as human spider. Powers give him the instinct to create his own web, just like the real spiders , etc. Raimi was too lazy and a coward for not posting that in the movie. Also, spidey not funny, mary jane acting like gwen, not developing of the supporting characters, goblin costume , etc, were all nessesary changes? You must be joking. The only nessesary change was the goblin costume , but they changed it in a more ridiculous power ranger costume. What intelligent.

Not, again, the shitest were those man spider movies. You are being the hypocrital because you are critizing the x-men movies when movies like or those stupid man spider movies have more stupid changes .

Again, WRONG. i didnt pay any money for that. I only did pay money for the first one in the cinema. I watched the second one on a friend's house and i wont pay for the third one. And yeah, i have all the right on critizing those stupid movies because it could do a LOT, LOT better with the material that they have.

Give it up A.C.Bakerboy took you to school just now.you got OWNED.You OWN him big time Bakerboy. 😄 You already proved him wrong so its a good idea to just end it now,he just keeps repeating the same things over and over again after you have already explained it to him and answered his questions.He obviously cant remember the answers you give him,so I would not bother with him anymore.Like i said,you already proved he is clueless on what he is talking about and how his logic is absurd and flawed.No need to waste anymore time with him. 😉

School? The boy needs school, look at his posts. More importantly look at the little cheerleader. Do you want some pom poms, Parker? Make up a routine for him, Parker. You can be Mary Jane, he can be Parker.

Originally posted by bakerboy
I was talking about the main characters, not the clearly supporting characters. I was talking about people like professor x, wolverine, cyclops, jean grey, storm, beast, iceman, colossus, rogue, nightcrawler, etc. With the exception of x and wolverine, who should be main and who supporting of those ones? Its difficult. The people have their fan favourites. The scripters did their best job.

Beast, Iceman, Colossus, Rogue and Nightcrawler are supporting characters in the comics. They're just additional characters that happen to have back stories. They're not main characters that sell issues, they're just members of the team. Most of them were on the X-Men B-team during the 90s.

The scripters did their best job? Even more frightening that they did a shit job then.

Originally posted by bakerboy
What movie did you see? Because in the one that i see, juggernautt is pretty big. In the comics, juggernautt is a giant. To do that in a movie, you could make of him a creature made by computers, or doing camera tricks with an actor. They choosed the second one. It seemed right to me. And he was enough tall. See his fight wit wolverine, see when he fights all the x men in the last fight. He looked pretty big there.

Juggernaut was barely taller than Magneto, he wasn't even that much different to Colossus. The fact is, he was pathetic compared to the comics Juggernaut, and you are right, you can't have that Juggernaut in the movie. So my question is, why have him? You don't NEED Juggernaut, he's nothing but a henceman. You could have any other number of hencemen and made it look better, but instead of doing that, they chose to make Juggernaut English and small.

You make me laugh. You try to rip Spider-Man movies apart, yet you sit there trying to justify Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut. You've got no clue what you're on about.

There are men, human men, bigger than the Juggernaut of the movie.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Again, professor x needs to be a mature and good actor with an impossing voice. Just as Patrick Stewart is.

Yeah, so are many people. What's your point?

Originally posted by bakerboy
Once again, that nightcrawler/rogue/mistique history doesnt add a fuking thing to the movie. Also with Juggernautt being professor x's brother or some else. Mistique is just a henchwoman, like juggernautt is a henchman. So, if you liked so much the hulk, how on hell is the father of bruce an absorbing man clone? That wasnt in the comics. Keeping your logic, the storline was shit because of that.

Mystique isn't just a hencewoman, she has ties to both Nightcrawler and Rogue who are both immensely different to each other. She's evil, they're not. She has different relationships with both. The fact is, they ignored it in the movie, it wasn't like they mentioned it and then moved on, they actually acted like it didn't exist. The same with the Wolverine/Yuriko history.

Juggernaut just dislikes Xavier, there's nothing more to it than that. Even so, they still ignored it more or less. Juggernaut was pathetic.

Also, the changes in the Hulk film were necessary and came off well. Ang Lee had the presense of mind to know what to do and he did it. He didn't try to cram everything into one film for all the kids, he was more focused on making it more than a Saturday night popcorn action movie, because he's a real director. Not like Brett Ratner.

Originally posted by bakerboy
The difference is that im not making those movies. Sam Raimi is making those movies. So, he should to keep that logic in those movies. And yes, that was an unnessessary change. He could explain it in several ways. Peter being a boy genious doing those web shooters to complete their powers and looks more as human spider. Powers give him the instinct to create his own web, just like the real spiders , etc. Raimi was too lazy and a coward for not posting that in the movie. Also, spidey not funny, mary jane acting like gwen, not developing of the supporting characters, goblin costume , etc, were all nessesary changes? You must be joking. The only nessesary change was the goblin costume , but they changed it in a more ridiculous power ranger costume. What intelligent.

He could, but he didn't, and it didn't change a damn thing. You have bi-polar movie disorder, it seems. You want it realistic, but not realistic.

If Sam Raimi had put the webshooters in, people still would have moaned and said "How can the web hold that man up?" and shit like that. You want it all, and you can't have it all, kid. Parker is a regular guy and he gets these awesome powers, he's portrayed as brilliant, they say so in the second movie and in the first, but he doesn't need to be going around making gadgets to prove that. He's a regular guy, he's not a fully fledged superhero yet, in the movies at least. By the end of one, he had barely had his powers for a week, and you expect him to be the Spider-Man we know and love. That's why it's called a trilogy, because they build it up.

I thought Doc Ock was bad, but you make him look like he'll accept anything. I realise now, regardless of my opinion of him, that he was right about one thing. You two are ridiculous Spidey-haters for no reason.

You clearly don't hate bad scripts, plots or costumes, because you liked X-Men 3.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Not, again, the shitest were those man spider movies. You are being the hypocrital because you are critizing the x-men movies when movies like or those stupid man spider movies have more stupid changes .

They don't, though. Fact. The fact is, they don't contain more changes at all, they contain less changes, less plotholes. You don't liking an aspect of the movie doesn't make it a plot hole.

I read X-Men for a better part of the 90s, along with Spider-Man, and Spider-Man, aside from the genetic webbing, is one of the truest comic adaptations there is.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Again, WRONG. i didnt pay any money for that. I only did pay money for the first one in the cinema. I watched the second one on a friend's house and i wont pay for the third one. And yeah, i have all the right on critizing those stupid movies because it could do a LOT, LOT better with the material that they have.

So why watch them? Why spend your time watching these movies if you KNOW that you'll hate them? Are you that sad? You NEED to spend your time on the internet bitching about a movie you could avoid?

-AC

I hope Tobey Maguire stays on as spiderman, in my opinion he does a very good job. I wouldnt care if MJ died and they put Gwen on.

I know spidey has a lot of good comics. But six movies? I cant see that happening. Especially since they always kill the villains.

they wont kill venom in 3....hopefully they have carnage n venom for 4...or lizard

they will kill venom in 3.. they wont leave it that open especially if tobey and them dont come back.. it is too unsure, trust me, Venom will die in this movie or at least appear to die

Originally posted by Mr Parker
I would not bother with him anymore.Like i said,you already proved he is clueless on what he is talking about and how his logic is absurd and flawed.No need to waste anymore time with him. 😉

I've never herad a better description of you Parker.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
School? The boy needs school, look at his posts. More importantly look at the little cheerleader. Do you want some pom poms, Parker? Make up a routine for him, Parker. You can be Mary Jane, he can be Parker.

Beast, Iceman, Colossus, Rogue and Nightcrawler are supporting characters in the comics. They're just additional characters that happen to have back stories. They're not main characters that sell issues, they're just members of the team. Most of them were on the X-Men B-team during the 90s.

The scripters did their best job? Even more frightening that they did a shit job then.

Juggernaut was barely taller than Magneto, he wasn't even that much different to Colossus. The fact is, he was pathetic compared to the comics Juggernaut, and you are right, you can't have that Juggernaut in the movie. So my question is, why have him? You don't NEED Juggernaut, he's nothing but a henceman. You could have any other number of hencemen and made it look better, but instead of doing that, they chose to make Juggernaut English and small.

You make me laugh. You try to rip Spider-Man movies apart, yet you sit there trying to justify Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut. You've got no clue what you're on about.

There are men, human men, bigger than the Juggernaut of the movie.

Yeah, so are many people. What's your point?

Mystique isn't just a hencewoman, she has ties to both Nightcrawler and Rogue who are both immensely different to each other. She's evil, they're not. She has different relationships with both. The fact is, they ignored it in the movie, it wasn't like they mentioned it and then moved on, they actually acted like it didn't exist. The same with the Wolverine/Yuriko history.

Juggernaut just dislikes Xavier, there's nothing more to it than that. Even so, they still ignored it more or less. Juggernaut was pathetic.

Also, the changes in the Hulk film were necessary and came off well. Ang Lee had the presense of mind to know what to do and he did it. He didn't try to cram everything into one film for all the kids, he was more focused on making it more than a Saturday night popcorn action movie, because he's a real director. Not like Brett Ratner.

He could, but he didn't, and it didn't change a damn thing. You have bi-polar movie disorder, it seems. You want it realistic, but not realistic.

If Sam Raimi had put the webshooters in, people still would have moaned and said "How can the web hold that man up?" and shit like that. You want it all, and you can't have it all, kid. Parker is a regular guy and he gets these awesome powers, he's portrayed as brilliant, they say so in the second movie and in the first, but he doesn't need to be going around making gadgets to prove that. He's a regular guy, he's not a fully fledged superhero yet, in the movies at least. By the end of one, he had barely had his powers for a week, and you expect him to be the Spider-Man we know and love. That's why it's called a trilogy, because they build it up.

I thought Doc Ock was bad, but you make him look like he'll accept anything. I realise now, regardless of my opinion of him, that he was right about one thing. You two are ridiculous Spidey-haters for no reason.

You clearly don't hate bad scripts, plots or costumes, because you liked X-Men 3.

They don't, though. Fact. The fact is, they don't contain more changes at all, they contain less changes, less plotholes. You don't liking an aspect of the movie doesn't make it a plot hole.

I read X-Men for a better part of the 90s, along with Spider-Man, and Spider-Man, aside from the genetic webbing, is one of the truest comic adaptations there is.

So why watch them? Why spend your time watching these movies if you KNOW that you'll hate them? Are you that sad? You NEED to spend your time on the internet bitching about a movie you could avoid?

-AC

Ok, i want to finist this dialogue, because this guy can talk with a brick wall all the day and not be tired. But im tired of this crap and he starts on personal offenses, what is plenty stupid. Also, he is posting the same argumens over and over again, and its plenty boring to anwser the same thing over and over again. My lat post about this particular discussion.

The school thing was poor and stupid . You are the one to need on a school because you dont know a shit about cinema and scripts. Saying that the dialogue in man spider was any good only shows your poor ideas about those fields.

What x men comics have you read? the ones based in the 90s tv series? Because your arguments here are total crap. Beast, angel and iceman has been main characters many and many years. They were in the first x men group. The only three characters to be clearly main characters in the movies were professor x( because he is the mentor and creator of the group), wolverine( because he is a fan favourite) and cyclops( because he is the leader). The others not. Beast or iceman or angel could be so important as storm or jean grey. Same with rogue.

Again, the scripts of the x men movies are much, much better than those series of mistakes and stupid things from the man spider movies.

The english thing doesnt matter a fuking thing. Juggernaut, with the little screen time that he was in it, was made decently. And yes,he was very tall. Only look his fight against wolverine, clearly taller than him. His final fight, clearly taller than more x men.

Over again. Patrick stewart is a great actor and he was perfectly casted as profesor x. Not much subjet more on this one.

Again, not time for all of those storylines. Too much characters. And even the can explore those relationships in the next wolverine and magneto spin offs movies.

Brett Ratter did a decent job. Brian Singer did a great job. Bruce's father with absorbing man powers was unnessesary. The end of the movie was pretty stupid. With the army as the villain was pretty enough in a hulk origin movie. The father absorbing man plot was pretty stupid and unnessesary. But as you are a hulk fan, you are justifing it.

Well, you are the same arrogant guy as always, when arguments are finished , go on insults. Pretty lame for your part.

And again, i pointed to you how they could do the web shooters in the first movie. They simply didnt do it because they were cowardly and too lazy. I mean, if peter got some spider sense, why not a spider instinct to create his ow web? Or why he couldnt be a boy genious that can create a spider fluid? Also, i have to believe in some scientist creating living tentacles and a sand man or a living simbyote and not and not a guy creating a web fluid? Simply stupid and moronic. And more moronic and stupid for your part for justifing that crap.

Man spider movies one of the more true adaptations? Go and see those movies again, and then read some spider man comics, boy, because i think you lost something.

Hahaha. Funny. Your opinion is a fact. You liked more the man spider movies, and they are better than the x men movies because you liked it. a fact. What a funny guy. Man , where you got your logic? in some garbage cube?

You read the x men comics and you said that beast, iceman or angel or rogue are not main characters? your read spider man comics and you said that doc ock being good, organics, mary jane being like gwen, spidey not funny, goblin stupid costume,. etc are not mistakes or plot holes? Man, your lies are timeless.

Are you some kind of idiot with mental problems? Keeping the same logic, if you didnt like the first x men movies, WHY THE HELL YOU WATCHED THE SECOND AND THE THIRD ONES? AND WHY YOUR ARE LOOSING YOUR TIME WRITTING PAGES AND PAGES OF A TOPIC TALKING AND BITCHING ABOUT THEM? Dude, your logic is pathetic.

Good day, genious. For my part, end of discussion.

Originally posted by vvvrulz
I've never herad a better description of you Parker.

if believeing that makes you feel better,you can believe that,but you know thats false and your living in fantasy world.too bad my rants are the truth and the truth hurts you. 😛 you man-spider fans have been so brainwashed by sony that you cant distinguish spider-man from man-spider. 🙄

Originally posted by bakerboy
Ok, i want to finist this dialogue, because this guy can talk with a brick wall all the day and not be tired. But im tired of this crap and he starts on personal offenses, what is plenty stupid. Also, he is posting the same argumens over and over again, and its plenty boring to anwser the same thing over and over again. My lat post about this particular discussion.

The school thing was poor and stupid . You are the one to need on a school because you dont know a shit about cinema and scripts. Saying that the dialogue in man spider was any good only shows your poor ideas about those fields.

What x men comics have you read? the ones based in the 90s tv series? Because your arguments here are total crap. Beast, angel and iceman has been main characters many and many years. They were in the first x men group. The only three characters to be clearly main characters in the movies were professor x( because he is the mentor and creator of the group), wolverine( because he is a fan favourite) and cyclops( because he is the leader). The others not. Beast or iceman or angel could be so important as storm or jean grey. Same with rogue.

Again, the scripts of the x men movies are much, much better than those series of mistakes and stupid things from the man spider movies.

The english thing doesnt matter a fuking thing. Juggernaut, with the little screen time that he was in it, was made decently. And yes,he was very tall. Only look his fight against wolverine, clearly taller than him. His final fight, clearly taller than more x men.

Over again. Patrick stewart is a great actor and he was perfectly casted as profesor x. Not much subjet more on this one.

Again, not time for all of those storylines. Too much characters. And even the can explore those relationships in the next wolverine and magneto spin offs movies.

Brett Ratter did a decent job. Brian Singer did a great job. Bruce's father with absorbing man powers was unnessesary. The end of the movie was pretty stupid. With the army as the villain was pretty enough in a hulk origin movie. The father absorbing man plot was pretty stupid and unnessesary. But as you are a hulk fan, you are justifing it.

Well, you are the same arrogant guy as always, when arguments are finished , go on insults. Pretty lame for your part.

And again, i pointed to you how they could do the web shooters in the first movie. They simply didnt do it because they were cowardly and too lazy. I mean, if peter got some spider sense, why not a spider instinct to create his ow web? Or why he couldnt be a boy genious that can create a spider fluid? Also, i have to believe in some scientist creating living tentacles and a sand man or a living simbyote and not and not a guy creating a web fluid? Simply stupid and moronic. And more moronic and stupid for your part for justifing that crap.

Man spider movies one of the more true adaptations? Go and see those movies again, and then read some spider man comics, boy, because i think you lost something.

Hahaha. Funny. Your opinion is a fact. You liked more the man spider movies, and they are better than the x men movies because you liked it. a fact. What a funny guy. Man , where you got your logic? in some garbage cube?

You read the x men comics and you said that beast, iceman or angel or rogue are not main characters? your read spider man comics and you said that doc ock being good, organics, mary jane being like gwen, spidey not funny, goblin stupid costume,. etc are not mistakes or plot holes? Man, your lies are timeless.

Are you some kind of idiot with mental problems? Keeping the same logic, if you didnt like the first x men movies, WHY THE HELL YOU WATCHED THE SECOND AND THE THIRD ONES? AND WHY YOUR ARE LOOSING YOUR TIME WRITTING PAGES AND PAGES OF A TOPIC TALKING AND BITCHING ABOUT THEM? Dude, your logic is pathetic.

Good day, genious. For my part, end of discussion.

yeah his logic and lies are pathtic bakerboy.He is not worth it.Just about everybody I have seen in the off topic section doesnt like A.C. because he always goes on an insulting rampage when he's losing an argument like he is here with you.so your not the only one he does that with.

Hahaha, I can almost hear you cheering. I'm not losing, he is. Like he does all the time he meets me.

Either contribute or be quiet. Don't call me pathetic when your entire online persona is defined by being "The guy who hates Spider-Man movies". It's consuming your life, you sad man.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Ok, i want to finist this dialogue, because this guy can talk with a brick wall all the day and not be tired. But im tired of this crap and he starts on personal offenses, what is plenty stupid. Also, he is posting the same argumens over and over again, and its plenty boring to anwser the same thing over and over again. My lat post about this particular discussion.

I'm not trying to insult you, Bakerboy, I truly don't mean this as anything personal. I just think you have a lot of very stupid ideas and debates, and I am proving why.

You don't like that, tough.

Originally posted by bakerboy
The school thing was poor and stupid . You are the one to need on a school because you dont know a shit about cinema and scripts. Saying that the dialogue in man spider was any good only shows your poor ideas about those fields.

Saying that the dialogue in X-Men was good only shows YOUR poor ideas about those fields.

See? I can do it too.

Originally posted by bakerboy
What x men comics have you read? the ones based in the 90s tv series? Because your arguments here are total crap. Beast, angel and iceman has been main characters many and many years. They were in the first x men group. The only three characters to be clearly main characters in the movies were professor x( because he is the mentor and creator of the group), wolverine( because he is a fan favourite) and cyclops( because he is the leader). The others not. Beast or iceman or angel could be so important as storm or jean grey. Same with rogue.

I never knew about the cartoon until years after I had read the comics.

My arguments aren't crap, you have no reason to make that claim and you have nothing to back it up. I'm giving you actual reasons as to why I'm believing what I do, and all you do is retort in a lengthy display of pathetic grammar and equally pathetic ideas, telling me that my arguments are crap.

Ice-Man was part of the second team for a long time. Even when he was in the main crew, he didn't have a massive role, he was always just a member of the team. Even then, they didn't touch on his backstory in the movies. Just a kid who has powers, he's a man, not a kid. He's the male version of what they did to Rogue.

Wolverine isn't a main character BECAUSE he's a fan favourite, he is a main character who happens to be a fan favourite. His main role was the third wheel in the classic Wolverine/Cyke/Jean love triangle, which was a recurring theme in the 80s and 90s.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Again, the scripts of the x men movies are much, much better than those series of mistakes and stupid things from the man spider movies.

The english thing doesnt matter a fuking thing. Juggernaut, with the little screen time that he was in it, was made decently. And yes,he was very tall. Only look his fight against wolverine, clearly taller than him. His final fight, clearly taller than more x men.

Juggernaut was absolutely diabolical, and the fact that you think he is more or less renders anything you say irrelevant.

Hahahaha, the man looks more like Avalanche.

"He couldn't realistically be done like that!", to which I say "Then don't put him in the movie.". He doesn't have a story that you NEED to tell.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Over again. Patrick stewart is a great actor and he was perfectly casted as profesor x. Not much subjet more on this one.

I agree, but he's not the only one.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Again, not time for all of those storylines. Too much characters. And even the can explore those relationships in the next wolverine and magneto spin offs movies.

EXACTLY! There were too many characters that were NOT needed, everyone wanted their favourite, rather than wondering if they'd actually be able to fit in it or not.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Brett Ratter did a decent job. Brian Singer did a great job. Bruce's father with absorbing man powers was unnessesary. The end of the movie was pretty stupid. With the army as the villain was pretty enough in a hulk origin movie. The father absorbing man plot was pretty stupid and unnessesary. But as you are a hulk fan, you are justifing it.

I'm not justifying it because I'm a Hulk fan, I expected that movie to be the worst one. I'm justifying it as a fan of comics who realises that realistically some changes have to be made.

He wasn't supposed to be Absorbing Man, but what he did was pull it off well. The ending left it open for the second one, in which case Ang Lee can open it up a lot more with action, since he already has a very good first movie, WITHOUT revealing all of the action.

Why? Because he is a true director, look at any of his movies. Brett Ratner...yeah.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Well, you are the same arrogant guy as always, when arguments are finished , go on insults. Pretty lame for your part.

You're the same guy as always, also. Produce stupid point after stupid point and ignore anything anyone else says because you don't like to listen.

Originally posted by bakerboy
And again, i pointed to you how they could do the web shooters in the first movie. They simply didnt do it because they were cowardly and too lazy. I mean, if peter got some spider sense, why not a spider instinct to create his ow web? Or why he couldnt be a boy genious that can create a spider fluid? Also, i have to believe in some scientist creating living tentacles and a sand man or a living simbyote and not and not a guy creating a web fluid? Simply stupid and moronic. And more moronic and stupid for your part for justifing that crap.

Funny how you moan about insults, then call me moronic and stupid. Especially when you're sitting there moaning about genetic webbing.

He's asking you to believe in Sand-Man, a symbiote and a man with tentacles, that's fine with you. Yet the minute he asks you to believe in genetic webbing, with a GENETIC ALTERING spider bite, it's out of the question?

If anything, you could say "Why didn't Stan Lee give him genetic webbing if he gave him everything else?".

Originally posted by bakerboy
Man spider movies one of the more true adaptations? Go and see those movies again, and then read some spider man comics, boy, because i think you lost something.

No, I think you just have a life that is consumed by a bad movie and have to spend time bashing it online, that's what I think.

You're like the guys that they refer to in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. The kind who go see a movie then b*tch about it from a basement.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Hahaha. Funny. Your opinion is a fact. You liked more the man spider movies, and they are better than the x men movies because you liked it. a fact. What a funny guy. Man , where you got your logic? in some garbage cube?

Not at all, me liking it is an opinion, you hating it is an opinion.

I just feel it's rather blatant as to what the worse movie is, you disagree.

Originally posted by bakerboy
You read the x men comics and you said that beast, iceman or angel or rogue are not main characters? your read spider man comics and you said that doc ock being good, organics, mary jane being like gwen, spidey not funny, goblin stupid costume,. etc are not mistakes or plot holes? Man, your lies are timeless.

They're not lies, get your English right.

Ice-Man isn't a "main" character, nor is Angel. Beast, perhaps, but what did they do with him? Hardly anything in the movie.

Second, where did I say those other things, you stupid boy? I said myself that it's shit when Spider-Man isn't funny, I've said that all along. I said that I don't like the Goblin costume, but I'd have preferred it over him looking like a girl scout.

Those aren't PLOT holes. Plot hole meaning, hole in the plot. They're just flawed traits, not plot holes.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Are you some kind of idiot with mental problems? Keeping the same logic, if you didnt like the first x men movies, WHY THE HELL YOU WATCHED THE SECOND AND THE THIRD ONES? AND WHY YOUR ARE LOOSING YOUR TIME WRITTING PAGES AND PAGES OF A TOPIC TALKING AND BITCHING ABOUT THEM? Dude, your logic is pathetic.

"STOP INSULTING MEEEE!" he says.

I'm not sitting here bitching about the X-Men movie for no reason, dissing everyone who loves them. I gave my opinion in the X-Men forum and left, I didn't dwell on it.

To be honest, X-Men movies work as Saturday night popcorn movies, they're still plot-hole ridden disasters from COMIC BOOK fan standards though.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Good day, genious. For my part, end of discussion.

Haha, you will reply, Bakerboy. You can't resist, you need to moan on the net, it's what you do.

-AC

Originally posted by Mr Parker
if believeing that makes you feel better,you can believe that,but you know thats false and your living in fantasy world.too bad my rants are the truth and the truth hurts you. 😛 you man-spider fans have been so brainwashed by sony that you cant distinguish spider-man from man-spider. 🙄

You and your apprentice Baker Boy are just two sad little boys. I tune into this thread for some free entertainment, you'll never give up will ya.

No I'll never get over it and its you and A.C. that are two sad little boys.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
No I'll never get over it and its you and A.C. that are two sad little boys.

Dude, look at your sig, your avatar, your name, your status.

If you hate it so much, we get it. Why, many years on, do you have to continue? It's been half a decade.

-AC

well, i've been off for two days and i see nothing has changed....

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Dude, look at your sig, your avatar, your name, your status.

If you hate it so much, we get it. Why, many years on, do you have to continue? It's been half a decade.

-AC

maybe he has to inform, the new next generation of kmc posters. I'm not sure if 45% of the people here know how much he hates the movies.

Originally posted by spencerspider
they will kill venom in 3.. they wont leave it that open especially if tobey and them dont come back.. it is too unsure, trust me, Venom will die in this movie or at least appear to die

I have to disagree with this. Venom will be in part 4 and will be the main point of the movie.