Alpha Flight vs Teen Titans

Originally posted by Validus
Well unlike Alpha Flight, you're not the only person here who reads Flash. 😛

They have stated they need time to build up but time is relative. Bart Allen is a kid who gets impatient because lightbulbs don't turn on fast enough. 😉

I don't have a clue what Alpha Flight can do. I'm not actually debating this topic. You asked for a rebuttal so I gave you one. 😮‍💨

Time is a huge thing when AF has speedsters as well as people who can freeze time just by saying "Shush". Yeah and it gets him into trouble every time...eg. shotgun to the knee, thankfully before becoming one with the speedforce he was finally maturing.

but you didn't say how the Teen Titans would win 🙁 Jeffries could literally create nuclear explosions destroying part of his mass. Check the bios.

Screw it. Alpha Flight for the win.

Originally posted by batdude123
Screw it. Alpha Flight for the win.

😎

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Time is a huge thing when AF has speedsters as people who can freeze time just by saying "Shush". Yeah and it gets him into trouble every time...shotgun to the knee, thankfully before becoming one with the speedforce it looked like he was finally maturing.

Originally posted by Validus
Shotgun to knee because he was just standing there. Nobody said you couldn't beat Flash when he isn't trying to evade.

No I meant on more than one occasion as either Bart or Wally as Kid Flash they have been caught on more than one occasion by Deathstroke.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No I meant on more than one occasion as either Bart or Wally as Kid Flash they have been caught on more than one occasion by Deathstroke.

Originally posted by Validus
No PIS/CIS. We know DS doesn't hold a candle to Flash.

Except they do need momentum to get top speed, so some of thise catching feats do make sense as he isn't going mach 22 right off the get go. Regardless Guardian literally can go instantly 18.5 miles per second. Hell escape velocity [mach 32.7] is 7 miles per second, as well as Mac has the ability to go light speed.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Except they do need momentum to get top speed, so some of thise catching feats do make sense as he isn't going mach 22 right off the get go.

Originally posted by Validus
That's where the PIS/CIS part comes in. We know he can go Mach 22 right off the bat and we know he can go higher off the bat as he's done so on numerous occasions.

We do know he can go mach 22 of the bat? where?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
We do know he can go mach 22 of the bat? where?

Originally posted by Validus
Trial By Fire where he saves the 500,000 people in .00001 seconds. I could name more but that should do fine. You can't sit here and say Shaman will "Shush" everyone to death and then use Flash at his Deathstroke jobbing levels.

That was an awesome feat.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9522/jla89pg012jd.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/7537/jla89pg028eh.jpg

Flash got momentum to do that, and that's Flash not Kid Flash as the battle entails

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Flash got momentum to do that, and that's Flash not Kid Flash as the battle entails

Originally posted by Validus
He got momentum in the sense that he started running I suppose? 😕 If you look at it that way, obviously he's always going to build momentum.

He ran from Washington (I believe that's where he started) to there, I think he even makes a comment about building momentum as well. Regardless I was never talking about Flash, but Kid Flash. As Deathstroke has caught Kid Flash before as Wally or as Bart.

He ran from the White House basement but I don't see how doing it instantly (Superman was totally dumbfounded in comparison) is suppose to show he needs build up this massive amount of momentum you allude to.

Since you obviously don't like that example, I'll cite another. The time he went from 0 to lightspeed in a few feet to hit Reverse Flash (not Zoom) with an IMP.

If you're trying to say Flash or Kid Flash losing to Slade is anything but jobbing, I don't know how to respond to that.

Originally posted by Validus
He ran from the White House basement but I don't see how doing it instantly (Superman was totally dumbfounded in comparison) is suppose to show he needs build up this massive amount of momentum you allude to.

Since you obviously don't like that example, I'll cite another. The time he went from 0 to lightspeed in a few feet to hit Reverse Flash (not Zoom) with an IMP.

If you're trying to say Flash or Kid Flash losing to Slade is anything but jobbing, I don't know how to respond to that.

He ran across the world, which built up his momentum and speed as he said he needs to do. So by doing so increased his speed by the time he got there to allow for that feat.

That was PIS, as another fight with Zoom (Reverse Flash) he needed help to build momentum to do the exact same thing.

Experience wins, that's why Deadly Ernest can beat someone like Northstar.

edit: Wasn't that the time he got his extra speed from Jesse Quick?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He ran across the world, which built up his momentum and speed as he said he needs to do. So by doing so increased his speed by the time he got there to allow for that feat.

If I wasn't about to go out right now, I could name other examples too. I will say Flash shines in team books probably more often than his solo for obvious reasons (weak rogues).

Originally posted by Validus
If he can be on the other side of the planet before even Superman can form a thought, any point about building up momentum is moot anyway.

If I wasn't about to go out right now, I could name other examples too. I will say Flash shines in team books probably more often than his solo for obvious reasons (weak rogues).

Not really as Flash and Kid Flash has stated they need momentum or at least steal other peoples speed to add to theirs.

Also wasn't that last example you mentioned where he got a speed boost from Jessie Quick?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He ran across the world, which built up his momentum and speed as he said he needs to do. So by doing so increased his speed by the time he got there to allow for that feat.

That was PIS, as another fight with Zoom (Reverse Flash) he needed help to build momentum to do the exact same thing.

Experience wins, that's why Deadly Ernest can beat someone like Northstar.

edit: Wasn't that the time he got his extra speed from Jesse Quick?

How about when Wally was with both Justice League Elite and the Justice League, and they had a crossoever, and Wally was in both places at once, wearing different costumes and everything.... At one point a portal even opened between the two locations and everyone looked across the portal at the other Flash like "wtf?"

Originally posted by Juntai
The one Validus was talking about a couple posts ago was against Hunter. The "my fist hits with the force of a white dwarf star" manuever. In a couple of steps he had already hit lightspeed.

How about when Wally was with both Justice League Elite and the Justice League, and they had a crossoever, and Wally was in both places at once, wearing different costumes and everything.... At one point a portal even opened between the two locations and everyone looked across the portal at the other Flash like "wtf?"

Except Flash needed aid to do the exact same thing later

he is building momentum going back and forth, especially going that fast. Flash has done that with his alter ego and doning the Flash attire, hell even Aurora has done similar things actually instantly change into another attire.