Originally posted by King_MungiAnd I've seen him do things that defy a need for building up momentum...
Not necessairly actually, I have seen Flash drop people off and still keep running.
So what wins? Words or actions?
Originally posted by Blair WindExactly. Momentum... pfft. 😄
yea, but he would have to run backwards. He starts, stops, starts, stops....he goes so fast that it doesnt even matter 😬
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And I've seen him do things that defy a need for building up momentum...So what wins? Words or actions?Exactly. Momentum... pfft. 😄
Except he has stated he needs momentum and action has shown he needs momentum as well or at least stealing someone else's speed.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
yea, but he would have to run backwards. He starts, stops, starts, stops....he goes so fast that it doesnt even matter 😬
Why would you? if you want to keep your momentum you ark your run going at an angle slowly turning. As Flash has done on countless occasions
Originally posted by King_MungiWait I've forgotten the point of this. Regardless of what you keep saying is stated. Are you saying Northstar and Aurora can build up speed faster than a Flash, any Flash?
Except he has stated he needs momentum and action has shown he needs momentum as well or at least stealing someone else's speed.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wait I've forgotten the point of this. Are you saying Northstar and Aurora can build up speed faster than a Flash, any Flash?
No I never even closely made that claim, I said they need momentum to reach full speed which allows someone like Shaman to say "Shush" while Aurora and Northstar deal with Kid Flash.
Originally posted by King_MungiWhat exactly is full speed for a Flash? IIRC Wally outraces Death or something like that. You're saying in the infinitesimal amount of time it takes a Flash to gain momentum (even if they do need to which really isn't conclusive) which will seem like an eternity to a Flash anyway Shaman will be able to do anything....
No I never even closely made that claim, I said they need momentum to reach full speed which allows someone like Shaman to say "Shush" while Aurora and Northstar deal with Kid Flash.
Besides "Shush" is one of those one-off things.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Because Wally has so many more feats. 😄How long would you say it takes Kid Flash to build momentum? Considering he can move around a library, take books down, stop read them, reshelve them.. all without being seen?
but their not even closly the same level
Unknown, Hell Northstar has done similar feats as well, and can read at super speeds too.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh... I still maintain that NS and Aurora don't come anywhere near any Flash, Kid or otherwise.
They have actually done similar feats, such as Northstar running around in circles stoping an avalance and lifting up hundreds of tons of snow. Ideally I would give Flash 10/10 against them, but Kid is different he is inexperienced
Originally posted by King_Mungi
No they wern't, and that was Superboy's doing as they were holding back. He nearly killed them because they didn't want to fight him as stated.Uh huh...but comparing them to the entire Teen Titans army from past to present, JSA, and the Flash you can't even compare the two. How do you figure getting annihilated the first time, and a weakened Superboy as said in Teen Titans just before IC #6 could hold him off? no thanks, as said he barely could fly.
The angeier she is the stronger it is, and it's magic...why wouldn't it work? He doesn't have a magic resitance, neither does Superman.
and? he was proving to much for them, that's why they had to send him into the speed force. He friggin speed blitzed all three, but Conner could keep up? na...it's bull.
he said stay away from me Bart, how was he scared shitless, but do you honestly think Superboy can actually hold a candle to Flash? Show me where Superboy has equal Superman speed and strength
and a second later his jaw is broken, and she didn't even want to fight.
What?
Show them the scans of them just gettinf floored before that speech
You keep arguing the fact that they didn't want to fight him, I know they didn't want to fight him, but they did because they had to.
I'm not comparing, I'm saying what happend and what he could do.
What he could do if he went all out, is take alot of them out.
Because he has a high level of durability as dissplayed.
Superman has shown be able to withstand magic ect ect....
And what? If he was to much for them they wouldn't have took care of him for years.
Race 1 Conner keeps up with Superman.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4168/superman155200tq.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2664/superman155213ix.jpg
Race 2 Conner keeps up again.
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/6288/pg102va.jpg
After the race Superman looks at Conner's soul and tells him he's growing stronger. This is just before IC.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9173/pg110zp.jpg
They keep up in speed again, but Superman is on the inside of the turn making it look as if he's slightly ahead.
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/2563/pg139hi.jpg
Both get a moutain thrown on them and are fine.
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/1923/pg176jt.jpg
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7462/pg218it.jpg
Conner blows up a giant robot with one punch well laying on the ground giving him hardly any swinging room.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8126/scan00091ko.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8765/scan00103gb.jpg
So he wan't going all out at her, him wrapping her in her cape is proof.
He didn't even try to punch her, then she did a all out punch at him, becaus elike even you said she wasn't putting a cap on her powers.
Yeah they both got knocked down, but got right back up like nothing ready to fight and basically saying Superman was full of crap.
What about when Supergirl floored Superman right before?
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=235lh.jpg
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
You keep arguing the fact that they didn't want to fight him, I know they didn't want to fight him, but they did because they had to.I'm not comparing, I'm saying what happend and what he could do.
What he could do if he went all out, is take alot of them out.
Because he has a high level of durability as dissplayed.
Superman has shown be able to withstand magic ect ect....
And what? If he was to much for them they wouldn't have took care of him for years.
Race 1 Conner keeps up with Superman.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4168/superman155200tq.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2664/superman155213ix.jpgRace 2 Conner keeps up again.
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/6288/pg102va.jpgAfter the race Superman looks at Conner's soul and tells him he's growing stronger. This is just before IC.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9173/pg110zp.jpgThey keep up in speed again, but Superman is on the inside of the turn making it look as if he's slightly ahead.
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/2563/pg139hi.jpgBoth get a moutain thrown on them and are fine.
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/1923/pg176jt.jpg
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7462/pg218it.jpgConner blows up a giant robot with one punch well laying on the ground giving him hardly any swinging room.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8126/scan00091ko.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8765/scan00103gb.jpgSo he wan't going all out at her, him wrapping her in her cape is proof.
He didn't even try to punch her, then she did a all out punch at him, becaus elike even you said she wasn't putting a cap on her powers.
Yeah they both got knocked down, but got right back up like nothing ready to fight and basically saying Superman was full of crap.
What about when Supergirl floored Superman right before?
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=235lh.jpg
Alpha Flight has fought members who have turned evil and still fought them, but even commented their whole heart was not in it.
but you said that him holding Superboy Prime was legit feat saying he is SUperman level, which is completly wrong and PIS. If three Flashes struggled aganist Prime, why would Superboy fair better?
Bull, even Superman is vulnerable to magic. Show me where he has been able to withstand magic as that's PIS, because I have over 25 comics stating he is vulnerable.
Did you miss the fact that he punched out of the Phantom Zone and speed blitzed three Flashes. They literally had no other choice to take him into the Speed Force. Yet Superboy can hold him off? nuh uh
Race #1
You didn't post the scans of the actual race just when he said go...how does that prove he is just as fast?
Race #2
Post the next scan as I have the comic and Superman easily speed blitzes right in front of Superboy stopping him as he told him about his Luthor connection
Race #3
Oh you did post the scan, but he clearly states he won. Plus Superboy took off first and still beat him
Race #4
Wasn't a race, they traveled together to the Fortress. Why would Superman leave him behind when they said they would go together?
Race #4
No that shows his eye vision, which is also not Superman's equal
Race #5
That's nothing, hell even Puck has done things like that. Once again how does that prove he is equal to Superman in strength? So far none of those scans show he is equal to him in strength or speed
No he tried to subdue her, and what did he do right after? heat vision and then he got decked out and was said he would have done the same thing to her if he had the chance.
She wasn't holding back, but Superman took full force blows from Supergirl and did it break his jaw? no. Their not even close to having the same durability
Ummm...has an attack like that ever floored Superman? ideally that ball would have broken apart. Once again maybe you should post all the scans as Superman was literally taking on both at the same time.
It's truly said, and I see on these forums that people underestimate the Titans. Don't do that. Conner,Power Girl,Nightwing,Starfire and more got the skills and the power to put down the Alpha Flight...
Conner is very close to Superman in strenght..Not 100% sure if his equal to him, but if not he is very very close to Clarks's strenght.
Originally posted by Rewmac
It's truly said, and I see on these forums that people underestimate the Titans. Don't do that. Conner,Power Girl,Nightwing,Starfire and more got the skills and the power to put down the Alpha Flight...Conner is very close to Superman in strenght..Not 100% sure if his equal to him, but if not he is very very close to Clarks's strenght.
No I have the entire series of the new Titans run, and Power Girl? Nightwing?
I would like to see any proof he is close to Superman in strength, show me scans of him tossing destroyers like toys, or moving the moon, or anything.
