Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I don't mind someone praying in my classroom. I think Christians, Jews, or Muslims should be allowed to pray whenever the fk they feel like it.....I just don't want them trying to compell me into thier prayer, that is all......
No, they should be allowed to pray - in their own time. No wasting ten minutes class time for a group prayer or whatever.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
No, they should be allowed to pray - in their own time. No wasting ten minutes class time for a group prayer or whatever.
An Individual person does not need a "group prayer" to pray on thier own.
If a religious student wants to pray on his or her own, even during class time, I couldn't care less, and neither should you. ❌
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
An Individual person does not need a "group prayer" to pray on thier own.If a religious student wants to pray on his or her own, even during class time, I couldn't care less, and neither should you. ❌
Depends. If they are praying in there head or whatever - fine. But if it involves stopping or interruption class time to do it then it should be saved till their free time when they can do what ever they wish - be it pray or perform a ritual or whatever.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Depends. If they are praying in there head or whatever - fine. But if it involves stopping or interruption class time to do it then it should be saved till their free time when they can do what ever they wish - be it pray or perform a ritual or whatever.
Are you against the requirement of holiday observance by businesses? I think that your argument comes into the same realm. Also, schools take breaks, it would not be difficult to schedule breaks at the times of their prayers, if I remember correctly Muslims would only interrupt school sometime around 1:00 PM to pray towards Mecca. I am unaware of other religious beliefs that dictate exact time schedules for outward religious expression.
Also, much free speech is offensive to some religion. Why is offensive secular free speech allowed while religious free speech is curtailed?
Originally posted by Regret
Are you against the requirement of holiday observance by businesses? I think that your argument comes into the same realm. Also, schools take breaks, it would not be difficult to schedule breaks at the times of their prayers, if I remember correctly Muslims would only interrupt school sometime around 1:00 PM to pray towards Mecca. I am unaware of other religious beliefs that dictate exact time schedules for outward religious expression.
I am operating from the understanding of your typical Australian school day - it might be vastly different in the US. But anyway - yes, there is class time (the time in which classes are held) and break time (two periods of free time where food is eaten and the children rest. Usually the lunch hour falls within the Muslim prayer period anyway, so lets leave that out.) Now I think that the class time should be dedicated to matters of education. There is a limited amount of time available to cover the educational curriculum, and I do not think any should be cut away in order to be dedicated to in class "prayer time" - if a child wishes to pray do it before class or during their breaks or in their head.
I see no reason why a teacher should have to shape a class plan around the possibility some students might want to pray in an outward manner, while others will not. Ultimately when you have 20+ students in a class, limited time, some things aren't practical. As to holidays - no, I have no problem with holidays being given for religious reasons to people. This is factored in to the schooling.
Also, much free speech is offensive to some religion. Why is offensive secular free speech allowed while religious free speech is curtailed?
What free speech in schools is offensive to some religions? To my knowledge PC is over the top these days. And even when it wasn't, well, teachers didn't go out of there way to insult religions. There si a difference between a teacher or student setting out to mock religion, and a religious student getting insulted by the teachning of evolution or history that doesn't stand in line with their religion.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I am operating from the understanding of your typical Australian school day - it might be vastly different in the US. But anyway - yes, there is class time (the time in which classes are held) and break time (two periods of free time where food is eaten and the children rest. Usually the lunch hour falls within the Muslim prayer period anyway, so lets leave that out.) Now I think that the class time should be dedicated to matters of education. The is a limited amount of time available to cover the educational curriculum, and I do not think any should be cut away in order to be dedicated to in class "prayer time" - if a child wishes to pray do it before class or during their breaks or in their head.I see no reason why a teacher should have to shape a class plan around the possibility some students might want to pray in an outward manner, while others will not. Ultimately when you have 20+ students in a class, limited time, some things aren't practical. As to holidays - no, I have no problem with holidays being given for religious reasons to people. This is factored in to the schooling.
I agree with this, also parents have option as to home teaching and private schools to enter that would allow more religious freedom.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
What free speech in schools is offensive to some religions? To my knowledge PC is over the top these days. And even when it wasn't, well, teachers didn't go out of there way to insult religions. There si a difference between a teacher or student setting out to mock religion, and a religious student getting insulted by the teachning of evolution or history that doesn't stand in line with their religion.
While I was in the elementary and secondary school system, I often heard comments that would be considered offensive to some religious people. I myself was probably offensive at times. It occurs, not frequently, but it does and there is not typically penalty for such.
Also, I am speaking from educational experience in the U.S. I am unaware of how the Australian education system is set up and don't particularly understand anything about it.
Originally posted by Regret
I agree with this, also parents have option as to home teaching and private schools to enter that would allow more religious freedom.
Or, even more in that line, religious schools. There are in Australia Catholic schools, Islamic schools and Jewish schools etc - schools where the religion is a part of the system. Of course it is, with some irony, that generally you have more atheists who were once religious graduating from them then you have atheists who were once religious graduating from a "normal" school. There is something to be said for the "to much of a
Go(o)d thing" where religion every day actually ends up scaring away people.
Originally posted by Regret
While I was in the elementary and secondary school system, I often heard comments that would be considered offensive to some religious people. I myself was probably offensive at times. It occurs, not frequently, but it does and there is not typically penalty for such.
In school all aspects of one's life is subject to offense at one point or another. Religion is not the only one.
If religion should not be subject to ridicule, then nothing else should either....
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Or, even more in that line, religious schools. There are in Australia Catholic schools, Islamic schools and Jewish schools etc - schools where the religion is a part of the system. Of course it is, with some irony, that generally you have more atheists who were once religious graduating from them then you have atheists who were once religious graduating from a "normal" school. There is something to be said for the "to much of a
Go(o)d thing" where religion every day actually ends up scaring away people.
People forget that religion answers spiritual questions and not always physical needs. Scriptures are full of religious men working, educating themselves, the education Daniel, and the other three, received in captivity was considered valuable. It would seem a sin to not love God's creation enough to study it fully, in my experience with religious schools they forget the importance of this existence in favor of the spiritual existence.
Originally posted by Alliance
If you remove the dogma...there are many religious/non-religious philosophies that are worth studying.
To be dead honest, I find many religions fascinating. I used to read the Book of Revelations, at the end of the Bible, and there's some really cool sh*t that's written there. That's where many writers and artists got inspiration for thier stories, as well as myself.
It's just when people take it too seriously, that it gets sickening. What I was once interested in reading for entertainment and artistic value, I am now turned off by.
Re: God loves all of you even if no one else does
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why does God love us so much? Well, the Word of God--the Holy Bible--tells us that God is love. Love is a Person, His Name is Jesus Christ.
Love (Jesus Christ) so loved the world that He came to die for the sins of the world (while we were yet sinners. He didn't wait for us to get cleaned up), that WHOEVER (are you a whoever?) believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Re: Re: God loves all of you even if no one else does
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Love (Jesus Christ) so loved the world that He came to die for the sins of the world (while we were yet sinners. He didn't wait for us to get cleaned up), that WHOEVER (are you a whoever?) believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
I don't believe that the death of Jesus was predetermined.