God loves all of you even if no one else does

Started by debbiejo47 pages

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
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With all due respect Debbiejoe what Bible are you reading. I have furnished ample Scriptures from the Holy Bible that substantiate the existence of satan and hell fire. Jesus talked about hell fire (Mark chapter 9 verses 39 through 48. The lake of fire and hell are mentioned in the book of Revelation chapter 20 verses 10 through 15 and in Luke chater 16 verses 16 through 31. Furthermore if there is no hell then what are we being saved from? This is a rhetorical question. I firmly believe that there is a hell for no other reason than the Bible says so.

And I have posted my views on what I've studied hell to really mean along with Gehenna (which is an actual place here on earth), and yes, that leaves you with that question....WHAT ARE YOU BEING SAVED FROM????...........Answer: Nothing.....nothing to be saved from....

And yes I have read the KJV, Geneva (with reformer notes) the Vulgate with translation, the NIV......etc.....and Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic Linear translated concordance...

I believe Jesus and the Holy Bible.

There is a Heaven to gain and a Hell to avoid.

I am on my way to Heaven thanks to Jesus.

Jesus went to Hell and He went there for all people so that we would not have to go. All we have to do is place our faith (trust) in Him for salvation, and sincerely admit that we are sinners. Whoever calls on the Name of the Lord (Jesus) will be saved (from Hell).

Acts 2:22-32
22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it. 25 For David says concerning Him:

‘ I foresaw the LORD always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
26 Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’

29 “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses.

Jesus of Nazareth,...

...For You (God the Father) will not leave my (Jesus) soul in Hades (Hell),...

...he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His (Jesus'😉 soul was not left in Hades (Hell)...

Jesus soul was not left in Hades (Hell) because God the Father raised Him (Jesus) from the dead. Hell is the place of the dead who die in their sins. Jesus died for the world's sin and thus was consigned to Hades (Hell) in our place (i.e. for us). He suffered the consequence of our sins for us so that we would not have to. I am not going to Hell because I have put my faith in Jesus; I asked Jesus to save me from my sins. Now everything that Jesus did for me is credited to me as it were. It is like someone being put on death row and executed for your crimes so that you don't have to die. Well that's what Jesus did for the world. Jesus suffered our sin penalty so that we could be set free from it. But the simple condition that God the Father requires is that we admit to Him that we are sinners and then personally ask Jesus Christ to be our Savior. It is so simple all it requires is child-like faith to do..

Hell and hades only mean grave. You are quoting from Acts which Paul had wrote, and he was influenced by Mithraism. It's all throughout his teachings......Paul is concidered a heretic by the Jews. At least they concider Jesus a teacher.

Also, how would you explain the verse "The spirit returns to god that gave it?"...........Sounds like all go back to where they came....

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12:7. And the dust return into its earth, from whence it was, and the spirit return to God, who gave it.
Et revertatur pulvis in terram suam unde erat et spiritus redeat ad Deum qui dedit illum

Paul corrupted the scriptures of the OT and Jesus' teachings.

Dude, I can totally beat that....I even love God although he/she/it doesn't even exist...

Originally posted by debbiejo
...Paul corrupted the scriputurs of the OT and Jesus' teachings.

Yes. It's important to keep in mind that Jesus had no intention of starting a new faith. He was a devout Jew.

Paul, on the other hand, probably got pissed that nobody was buying his speil about the Messiah and so adopted a "I'll show them!" agenda.

Bad, Paul, bad.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Dude, I can totally beat that....I even love God although he/she/it doesn't even exist...
I do too exist........

flower_girl

My, what a lovely flower you are...

Why thank you..........make-up..

God is all things to all people.

circle1 Pentacle dance tonight....

Yes, Debbiejoe, ultimately and eventually the spirit of man/woman will return to God who gave it, but in judgment.

Hell (Hades)

86-hades {hah'-dace}
1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell

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In Biblical Greek it is associated with Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth, the common receptacle of disembodied spirits. Usually Hades is just the abode of the wicked, Lu. 16:23, Rev. 20:13,14; a very uncomfortable place. TDNT.

( 2.) The Greek word hades of the New Testament has the same scope of signification as sheol of the Old Testament. It is a prison ( 1Pe 3:19), with gates and bars and locks ( Mat 16:18; Rev 1:18), and it is downward ( Mat 11:23; Luk 10:15).

Hades (Hell) is a holding place, a prison; but a place of torment as well that was originally created for the devil and his angels (demons). But hell is also a place of disembodied spirits of people who have died in their sins. These people's unforgiven sins are what keep them from God's presence. That's why God sent His only begotten Son to die for the sins of the whole world so that we could go into God's presence when we die instead of to Hades (Hell).

Now to pick up where you left off in Ecclesiastes 12:7,

7 Then the dust will return to the earth as it was,
And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

At a set time God will summon all disembodied human spirits to His throne for judgment. Everyone person who has ever lived who has rejected Christ's payment for their sins will pay for their own sins. Every sin that each person has ever committed has been recorded in the books. One more Book will be opened: the Book of Life. If any person's name is not found written in the Lamb's Book of Life then that person is lost forever. He/she will pay for every sin that has been recorded in the books under their name.

Revelation 20:12-13
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.

That's why Jesus died for you, was beaten for you, spit on for you, tortured for you because He knows that without His righteous, holy blood, our sins could not be forgiven. His holy sinless life made Him the only candidate qualified to die for the sins of the world. You cannot take a sinner and punish a sinner in place of another sinner, because that sinner has his own sins to pay for. You need someone who is innocent and willing to pay for your sin so that you will be let off the hook. Jesus is that innocent Lamb of God who gave up His life so that we could live. Jesus paid our sins in full. But you have to reach out to Him and tell Him (Jesus) I want what You did for me otherwise it will not benefit you. Then when you die you will pay for your own sins to the full extent of God’s law, with no mercy. That’s why God sent Jesus. Can’t you see? He does not want anyone to have to pay for their own sins for eternity. Jesus already paid for the world’s sin. Don’t die in your sins (i.e. don’t die without accepting Christ as your Lord and Savior). Die forgiven. Those who die in Christ die forgiven. Then their disembodied spirits go to be with God the Father and God the Son (Jesus) in Heaven forever.

At a set time God will summon all disembodied human spirits to His throne for judgment.
So these soul are thrown into hell waiting for judgment, taken out to be judged then thrown back into hell??.....Why judge them, they are already in hell according to what you are saying.....Why even take them out and give them a weeee break. OR are you saying that when all spirits die they are with god someplace with your god having a nice time and then judged and thrown into hell.....

According to that scripture, it say neither. It only says that the spirit returns to god that gave it.

And the book of Revelations is a trippin symbolic book....It could be taken many ways....Generally when a vision is seen as in Daniel it is always in symbols....Not literal.

Re: God loves all of you even if no one else does

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why does God love us so much? Well, the Word of God--the Holy Bible--tells us that God is love. Love is a Person, His Name is Jesus Christ.

Do you know what that means? If you take the concept literal, you will miss the true within that idea. We are all part of God and we share in life the oneness of the law.

Originally posted by debbiejo
So these soul are thrown into hell waiting for judgment, taken out to be judged then thrown back into hell??.....Why judge them, they are already in hell according to what you are saying.....Why even take them out and give them a weeee break. OR are you saying that when all spirits die they are with god someplace with your god having a nice time and then judged and thrown into hell.....

According to that scripture, it say neither. It only says that the spirit returns to god that gave it.

And the book of Revelations is a trippin symbolic book....It could be taken many ways....Generally when a vision is seen as in Daniel it is always in symbols....Not literal.

No, they do not go back to Hell after the judgment they are cast into the lake of fire. Death and Hades (Hell) will also be cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:13-14
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them . And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire . This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

and where can we get a swizz at this book of life and just how many names are currently in there

thats right...none

so take your inane babbling and go and taunt the people at gaia online forums...they need the gibberish more than we do

Taunt???

First off my name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life and it is located in Heaven. Furthermore, anyone who has accepted Christ as their personal Lord and Savior is also written therein.

Luke 10:20
20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”

Philippians 4:3
3 And I urge you also, true companion, help these women who labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the Book of Life.

Revelation 3:5
5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Revelation 13:8
8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8
8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 20:12
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,[a] and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

Revelation 20:15
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:27
27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Eis,

God loving you helps you because you don't have to go hell when you die. You will spend eternity with God (Jesus Christ) simply by sincerely admitting that you are a sinner, that you are sorry for you sins, and that you want Jesus to save you from your sins.

there are no sins, because every mistake we make teaches us something and has consiquinces, i swear the only reason your on KMC is to preach your stupid, outrageus and pathetic beliefs

Originally posted by The big EH
there are no sins, because every mistake we make teaches us something and has consiquinces, i swear the only reason your on KMC is to preach your stupid, outrageus and pathetic beliefs
it might be stupid and outrageus to you but it may be some thing keeping a person from killing them selfs or even worst things.

I do have to admit that many Christians sincerely do believe that they are doing a very good thing in saving others from what they believe hell is.....

* a lot of misconceptions around here...

* Christ was not a devout Jew, He built a Church (Matthew 16:18), He broke the law of Sabbath (John 5:18) and He was killed by the Jews...

* the Acts of the Apostles was not written by Saint Paul but by Saint Luke, and the passage on Acts 2:22-32 was not said by Saint Paul either, it was said by Saint Peter (see Acts 2:14)...

* the fire in hell was clearly stated in the Bible - it was said by Christ Himself (Matthew 5:22, 18:9, Mark 9:43, 45, 47), written by Saint Matthew and Saint Mark, also by Saint James (James 3:6) and Saint John (Revelation 20:14)...

* funny, the term "hell fire" was absent from any book written/supervised by Saint Paul, by which some people are condemning him of something he did not do... Saint Peter even gave an approval and a recommendation to Saint Paul's achievement, rather than rebuke (II Peter 3:15-16)...

* there's no "hell fire" written in the Old Testament? read Deuteronomy 32:22...

* "... the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." Ecclesiastes 12:7... yes, no problem... but if a person willingly disobeys Christ's teachings regarding, for example, Matthew 5:22, Christ said, "... shall be in danger of hell fire." thus, it was not Saint Paul who changed or amended something in the Old Testament, it was Christ, and Christ has every right to do so because He is the Only Begotten Son of the Living God...

* another thing, i disagree of someone who said, "I am on my way to Heaven thanks to Jesus"... because it is not you to say you are going to heaven... not that easy...

"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
Matthew 10:22

* the person who endured up to the end WILL BE SAVED... it's not like saying, "i believe in Christ" then you go straight to heaven... 😉

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Eis,

God loving you helps you because you don't have to go hell when you die. You will spend eternity with God (Jesus Christ) simply by sincerely admitting that you are a sinner, that you are sorry for you sins, and that you want Jesus to save you from your sins.


So I have to repent for my sins to go to heaven, I get it. How does god loving me help me, today, in my daily life?